Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson 
Consider it only has 8MB and the MT install image is 10M I don't think there
is even enough space on the PicoStation and from the looks of it the disk
usage on a RB411 is about 25-30Mbyte.

16MB ram is enough for most easier applications but you would need 32MB
storage I would say and that wouldn't allow you to do any live upgrades if
you could get it running on one of those boards. 

/ Eje 


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What about the PicoStation?

On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> last time I heard, false.. not enough ram.
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>> Has anybody heard as to when they are shipping?
>>
>> Also, I thought I noticed something go through the lists that is WAS
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>>
>> Cameron
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[WISPA] Fw: Allen Marsalis -- was -- Re: OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

2009-03-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer 
fyi
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Allen Marsalis" 
To: "'Marlon K. Schafer'" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: Allen Marsalis -- was -- Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile


> LMAO, I have a mess of routerboards and radios in my garage, in the back 
> of
> my SUV, up in my attic, in boxes behind my desk  All over the place! 
> I
> installed a PtP bridge for a hospital just last month...  Butch Evans and 
> I
> built a Mikrotik VPN together last week
>
> Just don't ask me to offer Internet access!!  I just couldn't take it!!
>
> No, I'm quite content building websites and custom apps... And building 
> the
> occational private wireless network.  I might be doing some PtP stuff in
> texas for this company...  www.electsolve.com
>
> I would rejoin the wisp community if yall liked forum software instead of
> old fashioned list servers.  (ducking)  I know I'm missing out on a lot. 
> I
> heard Mac had a heart attack.  I think about Bob all the time, especially
> during the beginning of crawfish season.  Come to think about it, ya'll 
> are
> missing out on a lot too!
>
> Anyway, It's good to hear from you Marlon!  I trust you are giving those
> telcos hell  :D
>
> Allen
> a...@bandwise.com
> www.bandwise.com
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>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:18 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Cc: a...@bandwise.com
>> Subject: Allen Marsalis -- was -- Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>>
>> Hey Allen,
>>
>> Your name has come up yet again!  When are you gonna buy a
>> couple of radios and come back to the only job you've ever
>> been good at??  lol marlon
>>
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

2009-03-11 Thread Jerry Richardson 
Ha! He has one

Now to send off part of the payment to Rodger :-) 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:12 PM
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Watch out! Next you'll be getting a paypal account! :) -RickG

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
wrote:

> For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help.  I'd have NEVER 
> figured out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be 
> trying to figure out why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was
seeing.
>
> We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable.
>
> In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them

> all day or more!
>
> Thanks again Jerry!
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Brian Rohrbacher
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM
>  Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
>
>  Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a 
> little help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program,

> so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in 
> some info if you could show me.
>
>  Brian
>
>  Jerry Richardson wrote:
> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>
> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do

> that?
>
> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>
> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
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> __
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of 
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>  Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
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> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
>  to
>  get
> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone 
> willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the 
> basics?
>
> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile

2009-03-11 Thread RickG 
Watch out! Next you'll be getting a paypal account! :)
-RickG

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

> For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help.  I'd have NEVER
> figured out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to
> figure out why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing.
>
> We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable.
>
> In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them all
> day or more!
>
> Thanks again Jerry!
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Brian Rohrbacher
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM
>  Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
>
>
>  Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile?  I need a little
> help.  I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a
> little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you
> could show me.
>
>  Brian
>
>  Jerry Richardson wrote:
> I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour.
>
> You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do
> that?
>
> We can use ZOHO Web Meeting.
>
> Price 100.00 paid via PayPal
>
> __
>
> airCloud Communications
> Broadband for Business
> Public and Private WiFi
>
> Jerry Richardson
> VP Operations
> 925-260-4119
> _
>
> ConsuWISP
> RF Topographical Coverage Maps
> Network Optimization and Planning
> Network Design and Troubleshooting
> Installer and Technician Training
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
> I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of
> documentation.
>
> I'll pay someone for their time.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
>
>
>  Uhm...ya...
>
> Try this...
>
> http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
> I need to learn how to use this program.  I can't even figure out how
>  to
>  get
> started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though.  Anyone
> willing
> to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics?
>
> Shoot me your number and a good time to call.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread Cameron Kilton 
Do you know if is 1k as in units or dollars :) I'll take a $1000
worth times 2 :) 

-Cameron

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Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

NS3 is currently special order. 1k minimum order when I spoke with Ubnt
about a week or two ago. 

/Eje
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Subject: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik
Sent: Mar 11, 2009 15:00

Has anybody heard as to when they are shipping?

Also, I thought I noticed something go through the lists that is WAS
possible to put MikroTik on the Nanostation gear, true/false?

Cameron
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Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread Cameron Kilton 
http://ubnt.com/products/nano.php
 
They announced it not long ago. I want it to ship and I want to put
MikroTik on it.. :-) 
 
-Cameron
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik
 
A standard NS2/5 doesn't have the memory to run MT.

What is this about an NS3?

Cameron Kilton wrote: 
Has anybody heard as to when they are shipping?
 
Also, I thought I noticed something go through the lists that is WAS
possible to put MikroTik on the Nanostation gear, true/false?
 
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Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Piehn 
from the site I gave you

SPIN # for you means a school can file e-rate to get money from the erate 
people (think is the state)

wasn't hard, just took a little time, file this form, wait a month, file 
that form, every year, file a form.  etc.  not hard.  Forms are only 1 or 2 
pages.  not hard or time consuming, just something more to do.  We don't 
file erate for the schools.  There is definitely a market for that.  If you 
come across a school/library in Illinois that isn't filing for erate, you 
can make some money off filing the paperwork for the school.  That gets 
allot harder and time consuming.  Many schools use someone just for their 
erate filing

For schools and libraries.  erate/SPIN is all I am aware of

Getting clients.  Hasn't been helpful in GETTING clients.  required to keep 
current clients.  We also don't heavily market, so proactive sales may have 
a different point of view.

Savings depends on how poor the town is.  School/Library reimbursement is 
based on school lunch program in the town
reimbursement is based on how many kids in the school eat free/reduced 
lunch.  around 50% of kids eat free/reduced =  State pays 75% of 
communications bills. (or whatever else they get qualified for)

Scott



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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process


> Indeed.
>
> I'm going through that stuff, but how everyone was making it sound before,
> it was a big PITA to setup and use.
>
> Was it really that difficult?
>
> Does the state have something similar?  I think I heard some do.
>
> How useful has it been in getting clients?  How much does it really save
> them?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Scott Piehn" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:30 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
>
>> http://www.usac.org/sl/providers/step01/
>>
>> Scott Piehn
>> We are in Illinois also, would be willing to help if you have problems
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
>>
>>
>>> Now that I'm a WISPA member, where can I find more information on this?
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:27 PM
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
>>>
 There was an excellent discussion of the E-Rate process at the ISP-CEO
 meeting in San Jose (at ISPCON) and a lot of follow up information on
 the
 Wispa Members list.  Yet another reason to join!  :-)

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David Wilson
 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] E-Rate Process

 Ladies and Gentlemen:  Could someone provide an explanation of the
 E-Rate
 process?

 Specifically, I would like to understand the application process (front
 end) and then the spending (back end) terms and conditions.

 Thanks in advance for the effort.

 All the best,

 Dave Wilson
 Western Regional Sales Manager
 Colubris Networks
 778 Dorothea Avenue
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Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread os10rules 
What about the PicoStation?

On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> last time I heard, false.. not enough ram.
>
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Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread eje 
NS3 is currently special order. 1k minimum order when I spoke with Ubnt about a 
week or two ago. 

/Eje
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Has anybody heard as to when they are shipping?

Also, I thought I noticed something go through the lists that is WAS
possible to put MikroTik on the Nanostation gear, true/false?

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Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread Blair Davis 




A standard NS2/5 doesn't have the memory to run MT.

What is this about an NS3?

Cameron Kilton wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread Dennis Burgess 
last time I heard, false.. not enough ram.

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[WISPA] NS3/MikroTik

2009-03-11 Thread Cameron Kilton 
Has anybody heard as to when they are shipping?

Also, I thought I noticed something go through the lists that is WAS
possible to put MikroTik on the Nanostation gear, true/false?

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Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process

2009-03-11 Thread Mike Hammett 
Indeed.

I'm going through that stuff, but how everyone was making it sound before, 
it was a big PITA to setup and use.

Was it really that difficult?

Does the state have something similar?  I think I heard some do.

How useful has it been in getting clients?  How much does it really save 
them?


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From: "Scott Piehn" 
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> http://www.usac.org/sl/providers/step01/
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> Scott Piehn
> We are in Illinois also, would be willing to help if you have problems
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>> Now that I'm a WISPA member, where can I find more information on this?
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>>
>> --
>> From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:27 PM
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>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
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>>> There was an excellent discussion of the E-Rate process at the ISP-CEO
>>> meeting in San Jose (at ISPCON) and a lot of follow up information on 
>>> the
>>> Wispa Members list.  Yet another reason to join!  :-)
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>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Specifically, I would like to understand the application process (front
>>> end) and then the spending (back end) terms and conditions.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the effort.
>>>
>>> All the best,
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Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Piehn 
http://www.usac.org/sl/providers/step01/

Scott Piehn
We are in Illinois also, would be willing to help if you have problems


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> Now that I'm a WISPA member, where can I find more information on this?
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> From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:27 PM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
>
>> There was an excellent discussion of the E-Rate process at the ISP-CEO
>> meeting in San Jose (at ISPCON) and a lot of follow up information on the
>> Wispa Members list.  Yet another reason to join!  :-)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of David Wilson
>> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
>>
>> Ladies and Gentlemen:  Could someone provide an explanation of the E-Rate
>> process?
>>
>> Specifically, I would like to understand the application process (front
>> end) and then the spending (back end) terms and conditions.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the effort.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Dave Wilson
>> Western Regional Sales Manager
>> Colubris Networks
>> 778 Dorothea Avenue
>> San Marcos, CA 92069
>> USA
>>
>> Work: (760) 481-7485
>> Mobile: (760) 574-1749
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Re: [WISPA] E-Rate Process

2009-03-11 Thread Mike Hammett 
Now that I'm a WISPA member, where can I find more information on this?


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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] E-Rate Process

> There was an excellent discussion of the E-Rate process at the ISP-CEO
> meeting in San Jose (at ISPCON) and a lot of follow up information on the
> Wispa Members list.  Yet another reason to join!  :-)
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David Wilson
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] E-Rate Process
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen:  Could someone provide an explanation of the E-Rate
> process?
>
> Specifically, I would like to understand the application process (front
> end) and then the spending (back end) terms and conditions.
>
> Thanks in advance for the effort.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave Wilson
> Western Regional Sales Manager
> Colubris Networks
> 778 Dorothea Avenue
> San Marcos, CA 92069
> USA
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Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-11 Thread George Rogato 
I think they are labels, it's the old divide and conquer. We call 
ourselves left and right and then fight about it, all the while our 
politicians, both left and right, have a good old time trying to figure 
out how to get more tax revenue out of us while having a good old time 
with our money.



Jeff Broadwick wrote:
> If you really want to get your head spinning, the labels are mean the
> opposite overseas.  Classical economic liberalism is today's United States
> conservative, and vice versa.
> 
> Jeff
>
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
> 
> Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers
> individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1]
> 
> Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. 
> Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over
> the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but
> they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism,
> which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on
> the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private
> property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals,
> as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some
> variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and
> fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6]
> 
> 
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
>>
>> That one is about as far off as it can get.  I think liberalism is 
>> interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity.  It's interested 
>> in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc.  
>> Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't
> have etc.
>> 
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>>
>>> Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last 
>>> paragraph...
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Tom Sharples
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 
>>> 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish
> for.
>>> Tom S.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>>
 Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for 
 me...well then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  

 That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent 
 to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead!

 Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each 
 see fit.

 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 
 Trillion by the time they are all done.

 Seriously.

 For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have 
 yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far 
 right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of 
 this bail out is worth while.
 I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that 
 way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and 
 it;s there own fault.
 But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. 
 And I come across a lot of people.


 I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, 
 myself.

 George


 Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly 
> not even in the ballpark!
>
> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, 
> hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>
> ;-)
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>
>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans 
>> would be equal to or less than the government writing every 
>> household in America a $70k or $80k check?

Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-11 Thread Jeff Broadwick 
If you really want to get your head spinning, the labels are mean the
opposite overseas.  Classical economic liberalism is today's United States
conservative, and vice versa.

Jeff
   

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers
individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1]

Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. 
Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over
the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but
they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism,
which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on
the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private
property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals,
as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some
variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and
fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6]


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
> 
> That one is about as far off as it can get.  I think liberalism is 
> interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity.  It's interested 
> in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc.  
> Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't
have etc.
> 
> 
> 
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
> 
> 
>> Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last 
>> paragraph...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Tom Sharples
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 
>> 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish
for.
>>
>> Tom S.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>>
>>> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for 
>>> me...well then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
>>>
>>> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent 
>>> to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
>>>
>>> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each 
>>> see fit.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of George Rogato
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 
>>> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>>>
>>> Seriously.
>>>
>>> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have 
>>> yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far 
>>> right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of 
>>> this bail out is worth while.
>>> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that 
>>> way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and 
>>> it;s there own fault.
>>> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. 
>>> And I come across a lot of people.
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, 
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
 LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly 
 not even in the ballpark!

 Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, 
 hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?

 ;-)

 Chuck

 On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans 
> would be equal to or less than the government writing every 
> household in America a $70k or $80k check?
>
> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer 
> funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been 
> done so far...
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>

Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer 
yeah, I read what it said.  It's a VERY white washed and politically correct 
version though.  It's certainly NOT what our current liberalism is here.  If 
liberalism were really about equal opportunity we'd not get punished for 
being successful.  Nor would people be rewarded for failure/bad decisions.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


> Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers
> individual liberty and equality to be the most important political 
> goals.[1]
>
> Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity.
> Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete
> over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different
> policies, but they are generally united by their support for
> constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of
> thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of
> law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent
> system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents
> of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of
> government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections,
> where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6]
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
>>
>> That one is about as far off as it can get.  I think liberalism is
>> interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity.  It's interested in
>> eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc.  Liberalism 
>> wants
>> to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc.
>>
>> 
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>>
>>> Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last
>>> paragraph...
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom Sharples
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 
>>> 100
>>> million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish 
>>> for.
>>>
>>> Tom S.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>>
 Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for 
 me...well
 then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  

 That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to 
 my
 home address made out to Yours Truly instead!

 Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see
 fit.

 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
 Trillion by the time they are all done.

 Seriously.

 For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have 
 yet
 to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
 we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
 worth while.
 I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
 hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
 own fault.
 But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. 
 And
 I come across a lot of people.


 I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,
 myself.

 George


 Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
> even in the ballpark!
>
> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>
> ;-)
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>
>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
>> be equal
>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
>> $70k or
>> $80k check?
>>
>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
>> to
>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
>> far...
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-11 Thread George Rogato 
Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers 
individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1]

Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. 
Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete 
over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different 
policies, but they are generally united by their support for 
constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of 
thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of 
law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent 
system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents 
of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of 
government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, 
where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6]


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
> 
> That one is about as far off as it can get.  I think liberalism is 
> interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity.  It's interested in 
> eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc.  Liberalism wants 
> to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc.
> 
> 
> 
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
> 
> 
>> Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last
>> paragraph...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Sharples
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100
>> million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for.
>>
>> Tom S.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brad Belton" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>>
>>> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
>>> then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
>>>
>>> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
>>> home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
>>>
>>> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see
>>> fit.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of George Rogato
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>>
>>> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
>>> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>>>
>>> Seriously.
>>>
>>> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet
>>> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
>>> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
>>> worth while.
>>> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
>>> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
>>> own fault.
>>> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And
>>> I come across a lot of people.
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
 LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
 even in the ballpark!

 Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
 what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?

 ;-)

 Chuck

 On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
> be equal
> to or less than the government writing every household in America a
> $70k or
> $80k check?
>
> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
> to
> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
> far...
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
> Hearing
> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.
>
> So now it's loo

Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

That one is about as far off as it can get.  I think liberalism is 
interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity.  It's interested in 
eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc.  Liberalism wants 
to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc.



marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


> Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last
> paragraph...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Sharples
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100
> million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
>
>> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
>> then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
>>
>> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
>> home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
>>
>> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see
>> fit.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of George Rogato
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
>> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet
>> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
>> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
>> worth while.
>> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
>> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
>> own fault.
>> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And
>> I come across a lot of people.
>>
>>
>> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,
>> myself.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>>> even in the ballpark!
>>>
>>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>>
 Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
 be equal
 to or less than the government writing every household in America a
 $70k or
 $80k check?

 Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
 to
 "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
 far...

 Brad




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
 Hearing
 right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
 are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
 next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
 That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

 So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
 are
 STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
 business. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 RickG wrote:
> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
> -RickG
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-11 Thread Mike Hammett 
So is this something where as part of our network build to a new area, the 
school pays a certain appropriate installation for getting high speed 
Internet to their facility.  The grant pays for it.  We just happen to take 
that extended network segment and build PtMP off of it for our own use?

If we get a broadband grant, perhaps that's the matching 20%?


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:13 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] schools

> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
> -RickG
>
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2009-03-11 Thread Mike Hammett 
I'm no economist, but isn't the same amount of money entering the 
marketplace either way?


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--
From: "Tom Sharples" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:28 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100
> million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brad Belton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>
>
>> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for me...well
>> then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  
>>
>> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my
>> home address made out to Yours Truly instead!
>>
>> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see
>> fit.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of George Rogato
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools
>>
>> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
>> Trillion by the time they are all done.
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet
>> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
>> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
>> worth while.
>> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
>> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
>> own fault.
>> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And
>> I come across a lot of people.
>>
>>
>> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,
>> myself.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
>>> even in the ballpark!
>>>
>>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
>>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>>>
 Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would
 be equal
 to or less than the government writing every household in America a
 $70k or
 $80k check?

 Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
 to
 "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so
 far...

 Brad




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
 Hearing
 right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they
 are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors
 next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more.
 That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district.

 So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we
 are
 STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of
 business. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 RickG wrote:
> Where is this headed?
> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html
> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP?
> -RickG
>
>
>

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