Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide coverage much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations are based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax Hi, We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still not comparable to 900mhz. In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just fine. YMMV. Travis Microserv Jeremie Chism wrote: > Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have not > used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less > interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment > deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how has > it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the > manufacturers claim they do). > Thanks > > Jeremie Chism > Triton Communications > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
I don't think I'd go that far. In many areas 2.4 is useless, so by that very token, 3.650 would be a world of better because it's virgin territory. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike Cowan" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:24 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax > It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better > than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance > much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide > coverage > much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations > are > based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US. > > Mike > > > > > > Mike Cowan > Wireless Connections > A Division of ACC > 166 Milan Ave > Norwalk, OH 44857 > 419-660-6100 > 419-706-7348 Cell > 419-668-4077 Fax > mi...@wirelessconnections.net > www.wirelessconnections.net > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax > > Hi, > > We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The > 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in > NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio > systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the > higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still > not comparable to 900mhz. > > In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they > still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just > fine. YMMV. > > Travis > Microserv > > Jeremie Chism wrote: >> Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have >> not >> used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less >> interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment >> deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how > has >> it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the >> manufacturers claim they do). >> Thanks >> >> Jeremie Chism >> Triton Communications >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
Well there is NLOS performance and spectrum crowding to be considered. Not sure which Mike Cowan was referring to. Mike Hammett wrote: > I don't think I'd go that far. In many areas 2.4 is useless, so by that > very token, 3.650 would be a world of better because it's virgin territory. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Mike Cowan" > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:24 AM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax > >> It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better >> than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance >> much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide >> coverage >> much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations >> are >> based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike Cowan >> Wireless Connections >> A Division of ACC >> 166 Milan Ave >> Norwalk, OH 44857 >> 419-660-6100 >> 419-706-7348 Cell >> 419-668-4077 Fax >> mi...@wirelessconnections.net >> www.wirelessconnections.net >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax >> >> Hi, >> >> We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The >> 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in >> NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio >> systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the >> higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still >> not comparable to 900mhz. >> >> In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they >> still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just >> fine. YMMV. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have >>> not >>> used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less >>> interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment >>> deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how >> has >>> it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the >>> manufacturers claim they do). >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jeremie Chism >>> Triton Communications >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Pole attachment procedures
I'm curious if anyone here has gotten access to the utility infrastructure in your service area for communications gear? Also what about mountain top colo facilities? I'm in Los Angeles county and have been researching the matter. For the mountain top stuff, it seems it would be best to hook up with the hams. Deploying my own tower/power etc would most likely not be worth it, and probably not possible as the good spots have existing facilitiees. I found a doc at the CPUC site on Broadband over power lines http://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/published/FINAL_DECISION/56035.htm which mentions pole attachment and right of way. However I'm having trouble finding specific procedures. Need to keep digging. Once I figure out the process, what questions should I ask, what things should I look out for etc? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BTOP - mapping
From http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/BTOPQuarterlyReport_090518.pdf In addition, NTIA intends to release a separate NOFA with respect to the broadband map. Excellent! Would be awesome if they break it down per state/major metro area. Such that multiple players can bid on the contract and map stuff out. Maybe even involve http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Maybe this will lead to some of the current reporting burden from things like geocoding getting some serious examination. Even better would be correlation of broadband penetration with broadband availability. Having this as raw GIS data would facilitate true competition. Ah I'm dreaming again. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BTOP - mapping
Hrm. Broadband Map Posted to WebsiteFebruary 17, 2011 Wonder if any of the new census data will be available by then? That would help with showing some real numbers/markets/updated incomes etc. Charles Wyble wrote: > From > > > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/BTOPQuarterlyReport_090518.pdf > > > In addition, > NTIA intends to release a separate NOFA with respect to the broadband map. > > Excellent! > > Would be awesome if they break it down per state/major metro area. Such > that multiple players can bid on the contract and map stuff out. Maybe > even involve http://www.openstreetmap.org/ > > Maybe this will lead to some of the current reporting burden from things > like geocoding getting some serious examination. > > Even better would be correlation of broadband penetration with broadband > availability. Having this as raw GIS data would facilitate true > competition. > > Ah I'm dreaming again. :) > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP
David Hulsebus wrote: > Ryan, How do you like the Moonblink antennas? Eh, they are OK. Getting timely shipping and shipping information out of Moonblink makes ordering from them a head-ache for my ordering person. The antennas are sleek aluminum but they are fragile so you can't handle them much past one installation. > I've been using Cushcraft > for some time, they've worked very well. I've used the M2inc. but found > rain to be an issue with the open round beam holding water. > > If I have line of sight I can get 8-10 miles out of a link, but never > through many trees. I have two small 120 vertical sectors using Tranzeo > and I wish we could get links that are as stable as the WaveRiders we > have in place. I do use a 908.4 filter on the Tranzeos and reduced my > noise floor from -75 to -95. They were designed for WaveRiders but work > well for a 5MHz channel at 908 on the Tranzeos. I even tried the > Mikrotik 900 and had even poorer luck with them. > Ditch the Verticle sectors. They are noise vacuums. I am using a simple TR902-11 panel for my AP. When I use the sectors my noise floor gets so loud as to make the AP unusable. > I won't say the WaveRiders were my best decision, but having tested > Trango, Canopy first, it was the best for my environment at the time. > I've still got 400 EUM3000-3005's in place across 15 sectors. We can get > 1.2MB down and 800K up for about 30-35 clients. We added their new > CCU8000 and a dozen clients so far on a new build out this year and > expect to max out at 30-40 subs per AP and if they are like the > CCU3000's will still give everyone 6 MB down and 4 MB up. We pay > extremely high prices for the WaveRider EUM's which really hurts the ROI. > Yeah, the waveriders. I think the only reason you have the CCU3000s is because of the competitive pressure of Tranzeo/UBNT handing out 802.11b/g type speeds over 900mhz. ryan > Dave > > D. Ryan Spott wrote: > >> http://www.tranzeofaq.com/images/lewis.jpg >> This is a 900Mhz Client running at 5Mhz on TR902 radios. The AP is a >> TR902-13 and the client is a TR902-N with a 15DB yagi from Moonblink >> wireless. >> >> ryan >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 & 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious > as to why? > > Forbes > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I thought it has to do wit there not being a standard. No bodies card will work with each other. I mean how ridiculous that UBNT couldn't even make their XR9 cards work with their SR9 card. Nothing works with Tranzeo's 900. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 & 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious > as to why? > > Forbes > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
The cards are more expensive to manufacture, due to lower volumes but also the higher power they need to pump out (we add an external heat sink because they get too hot for our comfort), and the exotic filtering necessary to get them to work correctly on the very noisy 900Mhz band. The SR9 and XR9 are not compatible becuase ubnt had to change modulation schema to overcome the noise and adjacent-channel interference to which the the SR9's are very susceptible. Tom S. Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE >I thought it has to do wit there not being a standard. No bodies card will >work with each other. I mean how ridiculous that UBNT couldn't even make >their XR9 cards work with their SR9 card. Nothing works with Tranzeo's >900. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE > > I agree, > > I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have > done in 2.4 & 5.8. > > ryan > > > Forbes Mercy wrote: >> I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has >> no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 >> for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious >> as to why? >> >> Forbes >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
Moto is about the same for each band though 900 is a bit more :/ On 6/5/09, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > I agree, > > I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have > done in 2.4 & 5.8. > > ryan > > > Forbes Mercy wrote: >> I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has >> no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 >> for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious >> as to why? >> >> Forbes >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP
I have a few horizontal and they do tend to traverse through woods better than the verticals, but the noise floor for us is just the opposite. There are a half dozen Canopy systems running horizontal omni's just to my east destroying most of the 900 spectrum. I don't have any sectors wider than 120 deg.- most 60 to100 and all the verticals I have are Antel. I use one 120 MTI horizontal and one pac wireless 120 horizontal. I do have a one Tranzeo that uses the integrated panel to feed three houses. I would have to look and see if it's vertical or horizontal, it's been a few years since I've been up that tower and it points away from the rest of my network so I've never really cared. I guess I like the Cushcraft's because of durability and mostly within 2-3 miles we use a 6dbd that costs about $35 verses the 13 dbd that costs $130 for further out. Thanks again, Dave D. Ryan Spott wrote: > David Hulsebus wrote: > >> Ryan, How do you like the Moonblink antennas? >> > Eh, they are OK. Getting timely shipping and shipping information out of > Moonblink makes ordering from them a head-ache for my ordering person. > The antennas are sleek aluminum but they are fragile so you can't handle > them much past one installation. > >> I've been using Cushcraft >> for some time, they've worked very well. I've used the M2inc. but found >> rain to be an issue with the open round beam holding water. >> >> If I have line of sight I can get 8-10 miles out of a link, but never >> through many trees. I have two small 120 vertical sectors using Tranzeo >> and I wish we could get links that are as stable as the WaveRiders we >> have in place. I do use a 908.4 filter on the Tranzeos and reduced my >> noise floor from -75 to -95. They were designed for WaveRiders but work >> well for a 5MHz channel at 908 on the Tranzeos. I even tried the >> Mikrotik 900 and had even poorer luck with them. >> >> > Ditch the Verticle sectors. They are noise vacuums. I am using a simple > TR902-11 panel for my AP. When I use the sectors my noise floor gets so > loud as to make the AP unusable. > >> I won't say the WaveRiders were my best decision, but having tested >> Trango, Canopy first, it was the best for my environment at the time. >> I've still got 400 EUM3000-3005's in place across 15 sectors. We can get >> 1.2MB down and 800K up for about 30-35 clients. We added their new >> CCU8000 and a dozen clients so far on a new build out this year and >> expect to max out at 30-40 subs per AP and if they are like the >> CCU3000's will still give everyone 6 MB down and 4 MB up. We pay >> extremely high prices for the WaveRider EUM's which really hurts the ROI. >> >> > Yeah, the waveriders. I think the only reason you have the CCU3000s is > because of the competitive pressure of Tranzeo/UBNT handing out > 802.11b/g type speeds over 900mhz. > > ryan > >> Dave >> >> D. Ryan Spott wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.tranzeofaq.com/images/lewis.jpg >>> This is a 900Mhz Client running at 5Mhz on TR902 radios. The AP is a >>> TR902-13 and the client is a TR902-N with a 15DB yagi from Moonblink >>> wireless. >>> >>> ryan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I agree with your sentiment that 900 stuff is too expensive. But I was pleasantly surprised. while looking around DoubleRadius last weekend, to see Tranzeo TR-SL9 client radios for $234. (8dB or N connector, take your pick). I missed any announcement of them. One could hope that a multipack of those might get under $200 each, later this year? -John PS - not to be a Tranzeo shill, but they are also running a special on the expensive version of 900 AP this month. $300 gets you ssh access into the AP, woo hoo! Has anyone tried these SlimLine or EL radios? On Jun 5, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just > curious > as to why? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I emailed Ubiquity about that very subject, here was their response: Hello, Not at this time as there are size limitations do to the size of 900Mhz antennas. Thanks, _ Michael Ford Ubiquiti Support Team -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE Moto is about the same for each band though 900 is a bit more :/ On 6/5/09, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > I agree, > > I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have > done in 2.4 & 5.8. > > ryan > > > Forbes Mercy wrote: >> I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has >> no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 >> for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious >> as to why? >> >> Forbes >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2156 - Release Date: 06/05/09 06:24:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] reset airpair to defaults
Anyone know how to reset the usernames/passwords to default on a Rev. 2 dragonwave airpair? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I'd offer technical reason not to buy 900 system based primarily on price. The build-your-own gear using XR9 or SR9 type cards or wifi systems converted to do 900 are inferior to popular proprietary 900 systems in many cases where interference exists. I have used Alvarion BA-II 900, Trango 900, MT+SR9, MT+XR9, and Alvarion VL900. We have neighboring competitors using Canopy 900 and Vecima/Waverider 900. There are also water utilities using 900 in some nearby cities. The Alvarion gear (both types) has lots of little things you can tweek to compensate for various things that cause performance trouble. They are really well thought out and have a bit of a learning curve to get the best performance out of them. The trango is much simpler, and less sensitive. It works full speed all the time unless the signal gets too low or interference causes it to lose packets. It's fairly robust. The SR9 system was fairly finicky and provided intermittent results in the vicinity of our BA-II 900 system, even with good frequency and distance separation. We dumped it. The XR9 based system seems capable of good speed in good conditions, but was very finicky and unreliable in the presence of Alvarion VL900 gear also in different frequncies and physical separation. We've still got it, but aren't using it. The SR9/XR9 MT based systems do not have the controls and tweeks available on the Alvarion systems in terms of noise immunity, atpc, modulation activity, etc.. Canopy is said to work well, but it's capacity has been lacking, trango is no longer affordable new on a per SU basis. BA-II 900 is reliable and cheap but doesn't have enough capacity for a new deployment. Waveride didn't have the right remote management when we looked into that. Alvarion VL is about the same cost as their other VL products, not UBNT/MT cheap, but less expensive than some of their proprietary competitors. On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:16:56PM -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious > as to why? > > Forbes -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I'm a little under that, not by any great amount. Mine's star-os, ubiqiti radios, and small yagi.We also have labor on top of our cash price, but last I checked, we were about 265 for 900 cpe. - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE >I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious > as to why? > > Forbes > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] reset airpair to defaults
Never mind, I got it... Randy Cosby wrote: > Anyone know how to reset the usernames/passwords to default on a Rev. 2 > dragonwave airpair? > > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] reset airpair to defaults
Please share how so we all know! On 6/5/09, Randy Cosby wrote: > Never mind, I got it... > > > > Randy Cosby wrote: >> Anyone know how to reset the usernames/passwords to default on a Rev. 2 >> dragonwave airpair? >> >> > > -- > Randy Cosby > Vice President > InfoWest, Inc > > work: 435-773-6071 > email: rco...@infowest.com > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Heatsink? Was: Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
A heat sink? Are your radios in an enclosure? I've got mine in an outbuilding. It doesnt get too hot in there but perhaps I should consider? -RickG On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: > The cards are more expensive to manufacture, due to lower volumes but also > the higher power they need to pump out (we add an external heat sink because > they get too hot for our comfort), and the exotic filtering necessary to get > them to work correctly on the very noisy 900Mhz band. The SR9 and XR9 are > not compatible becuase ubnt had to change modulation schema to overcome the > noise and adjacent-channel interference to which the the SR9's are very > susceptible. > > Tom S. > > Original Message - > From: "Steve Barnes" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE > > >>I thought it has to do wit there not being a standard. No bodies card will >>work with each other. I mean how ridiculous that UBNT couldn't even make >>their XR9 cards work with their SR9 card. Nothing works with Tranzeo's >>900. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott >> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:19 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE >> >> I agree, >> >> I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have >> done in 2.4 & 5.8. >> >> ryan >> >> >> Forbes Mercy wrote: >>> I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has >>> no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 >>> for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious >>> as to why? >>> >>> Forbes >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
I will invite any 3.65 Mfg to let me test their gear in my environment. I have found nothing to work past 2 miles in the hills and trees of TN, except 900 Mhz Canopy. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Cowan" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:24:53 -0400 >It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better >than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance >much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide coverage >much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations are >based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US. > >Mike > > > > > >Mike Cowan >Wireless Connections >A Division of ACC >166 Milan Ave >Norwalk, OH 44857 >419-660-6100 >419-706-7348 Cell >419-668-4077 Fax >mi...@wirelessconnections.net >www.wirelessconnections.net > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Travis Johnson >Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax > >Hi, > >We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The >3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in >NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio >systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the >higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still >not comparable to 900mhz. > >In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they >still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just >fine. YMMV. > >Travis >Microserv > >Jeremie Chism wrote: >> Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have not >> used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less >> interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment >> deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how >has >> it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the >> manufacturers claim they do). >> Thanks >> >> Jeremie Chism >> Triton Communications >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
The WiMax guys aren't interested in the WISP market... they are after the cell guys and big operators looking to place 5,000 and 10,000 CPE orders. Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: I will invite any 3.65 Mfg to let me test their gear in my environment. I have found nothing to work past 2 miles in the hills and trees of TN, except 900 Mhz Canopy. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Cowan" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:24:53 -0400 It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide coverage much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations are based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax Hi, We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still not comparable to 900mhz. In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just fine. YMMV. Travis Microserv Jeremie Chism wrote: Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have not used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how has it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the manufacturers claim they do). Thanks Jeremie Chism Triton Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
I've got a question that tangentially pertains to wireless stuff, but isn't really related to wireless technology, per se. We sometimes have several people working on KMZ files, and the different versions that we have gets really out of hand, and I'm hoping for a web-based (LAMP?) solution that lets people sort of "check out" a KMZ file and then incorporate some sort of version control. (This isn't really unique to KMZ files, of course, but could be for any sort of file. It's just that KMZ craziness is killing me more than, say, Word doc or xls craziness.) Any nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
Forbes Mercy wrote: > I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has > no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 > for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious > as to why? This is a good question, as I have not had to worry about 900 MHz until really recently when I started worrying about integrating with Shotspotter. I know little about the characteristics of the 900 MHz band, but perhaps it's an issue of demand? Based on my experience, this band is used mostly in the public safety sector, so maybe they charge "just because they can" sorta thing. Anyone else have anything to add here? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
I agree. When you see wifi vendors with sub-$1000 APs in the 2.4 space and they suddenly want to sell yo basically the same tech (at a different freq range) for $1 there is a problem. Someone is cashing in on hype becase the R&D CANNOT be that expensive when you take volume of CPE/AP sales into account. Seriously, FCC testing is around $6K for a complete radio, and the ASIC/opensource platform that makes up the signalling is close to free. MTIK/UBNT will place lots of pressure on the $$$ guys will use sales savvy (Alverion) to stay afloat or lower their price. ryan -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:17 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax The WiMax guys aren't interested in the WISP market... they are after the cell guys and big operators looking to place 5,000 and 10,000 CPE orders. Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: I will invite any 3.65 Mfg to let me test their gear in my environment. I have found nothing to work past 2 miles in the hills and trees of TN, except 900 Mhz Canopy. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Cowan" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:24:53 -0400 It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better than 2.4. A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance much like 2.4. A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide coverage much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz. These observations are based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US. Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell 419-668-4077 Fax mi...@wirelessconnections.net www.wirelessconnections.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax Hi, We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The 3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still not comparable to 900mhz. In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just fine. YMMV. Travis Microserv Jeremie Chism wrote: Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have not used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment deployed where we are. Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how has it worked. Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the manufacturers claim they do). Thanks Jeremie Chism Triton Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join toda
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
KMZ is a binary file format? What do you use for XLS/Word version control? Or do you simply use the built in reconciliation functionality? I'm also interested in what folks are using for binary source control. KMZ/SHP etc. Rogelio wrote: > I've got a question that tangentially pertains to wireless stuff, but > isn't really related to wireless technology, per se. > > We sometimes have several people working on KMZ files, and the different > versions that we have gets really out of hand, and I'm hoping for a > web-based (LAMP?) solution that lets people sort of "check out" a KMZ > file and then incorporate some sort of version control. > > (This isn't really unique to KMZ files, of course, but could be for any > sort of file. It's just that KMZ craziness is killing me more than, say, > Word doc or xls craziness.) > > Any nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
Charles Wyble wrote: > KMZ is a binary file format? KMZ is an XML-ish format you use for Google Earth locations, which are insanely handy when planning out wi-fi spots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole_Markup_Language (While reading the wikipedia page just now, I found this interesting tidbit: "The name "Keyhole" is an homage to the KH reconnaissance satellites, the original eye-in-the-sky military reconnaissance system first launched in 1976.") WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
Ah. Well then if it's text, git may be useful. Trac is a good frontend, that I use on a regular basis. Or something more along the lines of sharepoint I really like http://www.knowledgetree.com/ http://www.knowledgetree.com/opensource Rogelio wrote: > Charles Wyble wrote: >> KMZ is a binary file format? > > KMZ is an XML-ish format you use for Google Earth locations, which are > insanely handy when planning out wi-fi spots > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole_Markup_Language > > (While reading the wikipedia page just now, I found this interesting > tidbit: "The name "Keyhole" is an homage to the KH reconnaissance > satellites, the original eye-in-the-sky military reconnaissance system > first launched in 1976.") > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
Charles Wyble wrote: > Well then if it's text, git may be useful. Trac is a good frontend, that > I use on a regular basis. > > Or something more along the lines of sharepoint I really like > http://www.knowledgetree.com/ http://www.knowledgetree.com/opensource I've heard great things about KnowedgeTree on other LUG listservs. The only problem with something like Git is easily seeing the differences in the points. Until I do it on different versions, it might be weird trying to decipher tons and tons XML fields into something that's easy on the eyes. I've used Trac in other environments, but if I remember right, Subversion was on the backend, not Git. I'll have to see how that works (or doesn't!) Googling, I see some interesting projects that might bridge that gap http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracGitPlugin thx for the feedback, Charles! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
Subversion. ;) Bitch to setup but then easy. ryan -Original Message- From: Rogelio Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files) I've got a question that tangentially pertains to wireless stuff, but isn't really related to wireless technology, per se. We sometimes have several people working on KMZ files, and the different versions that we have gets really out of hand, and I'm hoping for a web-based (LAMP?) solution that lets people sort of "check out" a KMZ file and then incorporate some sort of version control. (This isn't really unique to KMZ files, of course, but could be for any sort of file. It's just that KMZ craziness is killing me more than, say, Word doc or xls craziness.) Any nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > Subversion. ;) > > Bitch to setup but then easy. Thanks, I'll look into possibly doing that also. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
I apologize for my language. :( I am 3 pitchers in after a long week. Turning off the not so smart phone now!! ryan On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Rogelio wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM, D. Ryan Spott > wrote: > Subversion. ;) > > Bitch to setup but then easy. > > Thanks, I'll look into possibly doing that also. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)
Ditto. :-) If you go the subversion route check out tortoise svn for windows desktop client. http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ Makes subversion on the client side a piece of cake. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > I apologize for my language. :( > > I am 3 pitchers in after a long week. Turning off the not so smart > phone now!! > > ryan > > > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Rogelio wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM, D. Ryan Spott >> wrote: >> Subversion. ;) >> >> Bitch to setup but then easy. >> >> Thanks, I'll look into possibly doing that also. >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
