Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread Martha Huizenga
Exactly, we send the contract with the install and then get it back when 
the install is done. Works fine.

Jason Hensley wrote:
> Wow.  Seems like a waste of time and resources.  If I mailed contracts like
> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they would never
> send the contract back.  Send a contract with the installer, get them to
> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one back, done
> deal.  If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial confirmation, then
> get an actual signature at install.   
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures
>
> We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we gather 
> the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and wait 
> for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an 
> installation.  We would like to reduce the time from initial contact to 
> installation.  One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" on 
> the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but thought it 
> would be good to get some other input.
> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?  
> What is good about them?  What is not so good?
>
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Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

2009-06-06 Thread Lists
Actually NAICS has one for a WISP: 517210 - Wireless Internet service
providers, except satellite.  
But Dun and Bradstreet still use SIC.

Victoria Proffer
St. Louis Broadband

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 1:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

As an ISP we used the following as SIC was converted to NAICS. 

7375 SIC
514191 NAICS
518111 NAICS

We currently use for our current services, 518210



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Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?


>I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says:
> 
> "ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375,
> "Information Retrieval Services" to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the
other
> hand, uses code 7389, "Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified." Your
> best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a
complete
> list of SIC codes."
> 
> Just curious what everyone else is using and why?
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Victoria Proffer 
> CEO 
> StLouisBroadband.com 
> ShowMeBroadband.com 
> 314.974.5600 
> SBA Certified WOSB





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Re: [WISPA] Heatsink? Was: Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-06 Thread Tom Sharples
You can take a look at what we do here:

http://www.qorvus.com/images/ubnt_heatsink.jpg


The heatsinks are custom made for us, and we attach them with a 
heat-conductive plastic spacer with strong peel-off adhesive on both sides. 
We add them to SR9's and XR9s, both get pretty hot under load and since we 
install them in small outdoor cases that are often mounted in full Texas 
sun, adding the heatsinks seemed like a good idea.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "Tom Sharples" ; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Heatsink? Was: Cost of 900 MHZ CPE


A heat sink? Are your radios in an enclosure? I've got mine in an
outbuilding. It doesnt get too hot in there but perhaps I should
consider?
-RickG

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:
> The cards are more expensive to manufacture, due to lower volumes but also
> the higher power they need to pump out (we add an external heat sink 
> because
> they get too hot for our comfort), and the exotic filtering necessary to 
> get
> them to work correctly on the very noisy 900Mhz band. The SR9 and XR9 are
> not compatible becuase ubnt had to change modulation schema to overcome 
> the
> noise and adjacent-channel interference to which the the SR9's are very
> susceptible.
>
> Tom S.
>
>  Original Message -
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
>
>
>>I thought it has to do wit there not being a standard. No bodies card will
>>work with each other. I mean how ridiculous that UBNT couldn't even make
>>their XR9 cards work with their SR9 card. Nothing works with Tranzeo's
>>900.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:19 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
>>
>> I agree,
>>
>> I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have
>> done in 2.4 & 5.8.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>> I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has
>>> no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90
>>> for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious
>>> as to why?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-06 Thread Tom Sharples
Until someone cuts down the trees or repeals the laws of physics 3.65 will 
never outperform 900 at equivalent power.

Tom S.

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Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax



I will invite any 3.65 Mfg to let me test their gear in my environment. I 
have found nothing to work past 2 miles in the hills and trees of TN, except 
900 Mhz Canopy.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
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Date:  Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:24:53 -0400

>It is true that a 802.11 based 3.650 product is not going to be any better
>than 2.4.  A wimax based 3.650 product is going to gve field performance
>much like 2.4.  A diversity based 3.650 system is going to provide coverage
>much like, and oftentimes exceeding that of 900Mhz.  These observations are
>based on real field deployments in diverse terrain across the US.
>
>Mike
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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:33 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax
>
>Hi,
>
>We have two small 3.65 repeaters (serving only other small WiPOPs). The
>3.65 does work, but our experience was that it did not do any better in
>NLOS than 2.4ghz would already do (when comparing the same type of radio
>systems). There are several other radio features and "tricks" that the
>higher-end WiMax companies are doing to get better NLOS, but it is still
>not comparable to 900mhz.
>
>In our area, there is a provider using 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and they
>still have NLOS issues where our 900mhz Trango system will work just
>fine. YMMV.
>
>Travis
>Microserv
>
>Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Several months ago I paid the small fee for the 365 "license" but have 
>> not
>> used it. We are looking to deploy something that has a little less
>> interference since there is quite a bit of 900mhz and 5.8ghz equipment
>> deployed where we are.   Has anyone tested any of this equipment and how
>has
>> it worked.  Also does it possess any NLOS capabilities (I know all the
>> manufacturers claim they do).
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jeremie Chism
>> Triton Communications
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Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

2009-06-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm curious why any entity still requests SIC codes when they were 
superseded by NAICS codes.


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--
From: "Lists" 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:34 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

> I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says:
>
> "ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375,
> "Information Retrieval Services" to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the 
> other
> hand, uses code 7389, "Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified." Your
> best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a 
> complete
> list of SIC codes."
>
> Just curious what everyone else is using and why?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Victoria Proffer
> CEO
> StLouisBroadband.com
> ShowMeBroadband.com
> 314.974.5600
> SBA Certified WOSB
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Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

2009-06-06 Thread Frank Muto
As an ISP we used the following as SIC was converted to NAICS. 

7375 SIC
514191 NAICS
518111 NAICS

We currently use for our current services, 518210



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- Original Message - 
From: "Lists" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?


>I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says:
> 
> "ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375,
> "Information Retrieval Services" to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the other
> hand, uses code 7389, "Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified." Your
> best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a complete
> list of SIC codes."
> 
> Just curious what everyone else is using and why?
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Victoria Proffer 
> CEO 
> StLouisBroadband.com 
> ShowMeBroadband.com 
> 314.974.5600 
> SBA Certified WOSB




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[WISPA] What SIC code do you use?

2009-06-06 Thread Lists
I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says:

"ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375,
"Information Retrieval Services" to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the other
hand, uses code 7389, "Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified." Your
best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a complete
list of SIC codes."

Just curious what everyone else is using and why?


Thanks, 
Victoria Proffer 
CEO 
StLouisBroadband.com 
ShowMeBroadband.com 
314.974.5600 
SBA Certified WOSB






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Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Crrently we do it via email, fax or by hand at the install site (in
that order).  Here soon we will be doing electronic with the software
we used to manage and bill the whole wisp.

On 6/6/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
> During our signup process the customer is presented with our agreement. Then
> in order to proceed ther is a check box "I have read the agreement". As far
> as I know this is binding.
>
>
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:22 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures
>
> We send the contracts out with the installer but I'd like to automate the
> whole process as well. I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure there is a way to have
> the customer bind a electronically. Anyone?
> -RickG
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Scott Reed
> wrote:
>> We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we
>> gather the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer
>> and wait for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we
>> schedule an installation.  We would like to reduce the time from
>> initial contact to installation.  One option we are looking at is
>> "electronic signature" on the contract. We have done some research
>> into doing this, but thought it would be good to get some other input.
>> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
>> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?
>> What is good about them?  What is not so good?
>>
>> --
>> Scott Reed
>> Sr. Systems Engineer
>> GAB Midwest
>> 1-800-363-1544 x4000
>> Cell: 260-273-7239
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread Jerry Richardson
During our signup process the customer is presented with our agreement. Then in 
order to proceed ther is a check box "I have read the agreement". As far as I 
know this is binding. 


 
 
__ 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

We send the contracts out with the installer but I'd like to automate the whole 
process as well. I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure there is a way to have the 
customer bind a electronically. Anyone?
-RickG

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Scott Reed wrote:
> We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we 
> gather the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer 
> and wait for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we 
> schedule an installation.  We would like to reduce the time from 
> initial contact to installation.  One option we are looking at is 
> "electronic signature" on the contract. We have done some research 
> into doing this, but thought it would be good to get some other input.
> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?
> What is good about them?  What is not so good?
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
> 1-800-363-1544 x4000
> Cell: 260-273-7239
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Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread RickG
We send the contracts out with the installer but I'd like to automate
the whole process as well. I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure there is a
way to have the customer bind a electronically. Anyone?
-RickG

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Scott Reed wrote:
> We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we gather
> the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and wait
> for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an
> installation.  We would like to reduce the time from initial contact to
> installation.  One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" on
> the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but thought it
> would be good to get some other input.
> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?
> What is good about them?  What is not so good?
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
> 1-800-363-1544 x4000
> Cell: 260-273-7239
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Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-06 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Because all of the 900mhz home phones eat up all 900mhz crystal sales!

roflmao
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Forbes Mercy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE


>I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has
> no reasonable cost CPE.  Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90
> for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ.  Just curious
> as to why?
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[WISPA] LanRoamer TP500

2009-06-06 Thread Adam Greene
Anyone know if this tests crossover as well as straightthrough cat5/6?

Thanks,
Adam



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Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread Adam Greene
Another option is to send the contract to customer via email and have them 
(a) fax back the signature page as proof of order, and (b) mail in two 
partially executed originals. You sign both, keep one original and send the 
2nd original back in the mail. Or use the installer as the courier in one of 
the directions as Jason suggests.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Hensley" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures


> Wow.  Seems like a waste of time and resources.  If I mailed contracts 
> like
> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they would never
> send the contract back.  Send a contract with the installer, get them to
> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one back, 
> done
> deal.  If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial confirmation, then
> get an actual signature at install.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
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> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures
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> We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we gather
> the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and wait
> for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an
> installation.  We would like to reduce the time from initial contact to
> installation.  One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" on
> the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but thought it
> would be good to get some other input.
> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?
> What is good about them?  What is not so good?
>
> -- 
> Scott Reed
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
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> Cell: 260-273-7239
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Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread Jason Hensley
Wow.  Seems like a waste of time and resources.  If I mailed contracts like
that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they would never
send the contract back.  Send a contract with the installer, get them to
sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one back, done
deal.  If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial confirmation, then
get an actual signature at install.   



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures

We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we gather 
the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and wait 
for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an 
installation.  We would like to reduce the time from initial contact to 
installation.  One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" on 
the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but thought it 
would be good to get some other input.
If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?  
What is good about them?  What is not so good?

-- 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239





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[WISPA] Electronic Signatures

2009-06-06 Thread Scott Reed
We currently use a two-year contract for customers.  Right now we gather 
the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and wait 
for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an 
installation.  We would like to reduce the time from initial contact to 
installation.  One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" on 
the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but thought it 
would be good to get some other input.
If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it?
If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you use?  
What is good about them?  What is not so good?

-- 
Scott Reed
Sr. Systems Engineer
GAB Midwest
1-800-363-1544 x4000
Cell: 260-273-7239




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Re: [WISPA] document version control? (e.g. web-based solution to "check out" KMZ files)

2009-06-06 Thread Scott Reed
This is a great solution. 
I didn't find Subversion so hard to setup and getting tortoise running 
was just follow the directions.
Works great.  The fact that tortoise embeds in Windows Explorer means 
you can search for files just like you do now and check them out with a 
right-click menu.

Jon Auer wrote:
> Ditto.  :-)
> If you go the subversion route check out tortoise svn for windows
> desktop client. http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
> Makes subversion on the client side a piece of cake.
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
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>> I apologize for my language. :(
>>
>> I am 3 pitchers in after a long week. Turning off the not so smart
>> phone now!!
>>
>> ryan
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>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Rogelio  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:27 PM, D. Ryan Spott 
>>> wrote:
>>> Subversion. ;)
>>>
>>> Bitch to setup but then easy.
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll look into possibly doing that also.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Wimax

2009-06-06 Thread Kristi Fundu
When talking about 365 we have to understand that there are two product
groups: 802.11 based, WiMAX and somewhere in between :)  the 802.11 based
can be used just as your basic 5 GHz (UBNT) without the interference.  The
WiMAX group of products actually use different modulation and do achieve
excellent NoLOS performance with indoor devices, which is key for massive
deployments in urban areas.  And the "in between"  are products the are
based on 802.11 technology that have been taken a significant step further
beyond.  In the latter group we have seen some products that simply don't
work, so when talking about 365 we mostly think of the first two groups.
The main point really, is what do you want to do with it. IMHO it is a waste
of resources to use WiMAX in rural, low noise areas, but for urban it's a
god sent, and UBNT style equipement is a cheap medication for interference
headaches under any circumstances.  And as much as I would like it to be
otherwise, MT/UBNT can't match WiMAX ... yet :)

Kristi Fundu
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