Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[David Hulsebus]

I meant elliptical or air cable, and don't think they manufacture the 
Air Heliax cable anymore. After they joined CommScope, they shrunk their 
product line quite a bit.  I put two runs of the elliptical waveguide on 
a tower I own and for the cost wouldn't put it anywhere I didn't expect 
to be for a very long time.

Dave Hulsebus

lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> 5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Hulsebus 
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
>
> I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
> some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
> either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
> attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
> Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
> station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
> as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
> music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.
>
> Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
> our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
> regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
> loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
> arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
> site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
> prior to entering the switch port.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
>>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>>>
>>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
>>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
>>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
>>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
>>> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>>
>>> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>>>
>>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 
>>> a
>>> 
>>>   
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
   
 
> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>
> 
>   
>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>
>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
>>   
>> 
>>> get
>>> 
>>>   
>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Tita

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[eje]

Don't run them without antenna connected. Very sensitive there. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Jones 

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:41:15 
To: ; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly 
compared to the ubiquiti cards?

lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> 5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Hulsebus 
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
>
> I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
> some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
> either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
> attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
> Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
> station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
> as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
> music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.
>
> Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
> our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
> regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
> loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
> arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
> site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
> prior to entering the switch port.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
>>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>>>
>>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
>>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
>>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
>>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
>>> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>>
>>> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>>>
>>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 
>>> a
>>> 
>>>   
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
   
 
> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>
> 
>   
>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>
>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
>>   
>> 
>>> get
>>> 
>>>   
>> them quickly prices are roughly the s

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Andrew Jones]

Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly 
compared to the ubiquiti cards?

lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> 5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Hulsebus 
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
>
> I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
> some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
> either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
> attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
> Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
> station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
> as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
> music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.
>
> Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
> our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
> regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
> loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
> arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
> site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
> prior to entering the switch port.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
>>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>>>
>>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
>>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
>>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
>>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
>>> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>>
>>> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>>>
>>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
   
 
>>> a
>>> 
>>>   
 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
 output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
 the
 radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
 BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

 So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
 could
 have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
 actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

 Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

 I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
 outside way up there!

 On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
   
 
> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>
> 
>   
>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>
>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
>>   
>> 
>>> get
>>> 
>>>   
>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
>>   
>> 
 an
   
 
>> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>>
>>   
>> 
> I would like to ditch

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[lakeland]

5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz.  LDF4.5-50


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: David Hulsebus 

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards


I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.

Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
prior to entering the switch port.

Dave Hulsebus

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>
> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>   
>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>>
>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
>> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>
>> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>>
>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
>>>   
>> a
>> 
>>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
>>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
>>> the
>>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
>>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
>>>
>>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
>>> could
>>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
>>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>>
>>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>>>
>>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
>>> outside way up there!
>>>
>>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>>>   
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 

 
> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>
> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
>   
>> get
>> 
> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
>   
>>> an
>>>   
> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>
>   
 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 
>> have
>> 
>>> so
>>>   
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 
>>> since
>>>   
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
 
>>> in
>>>   
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 
>>> trips
>>>   
 up and down replacing o

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[David Hulsebus]

I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4  I've had 
some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further 
either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide 
attenuation data to 2.4 GHz.  For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air 
Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio 
station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted 
as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their 
music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away.

Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects 
our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing 
regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I 
loose one I'm  not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning 
arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a 
site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another 
prior to entering the switch port.

Dave Hulsebus

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>
> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>   
>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>>
>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
>> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>
>> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>>
>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
>>>   
>> a
>> 
>>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
>>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
>>> the
>>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
>>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
>>>
>>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
>>> could
>>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
>>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>>
>>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>>>
>>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
>>> outside way up there!
>>>
>>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>>>   
 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 

 
> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>
> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
>   
>> get
>> 
> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
>   
>>> an
>>>   
> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>
>   
 I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
 
>> have
>> 
>>> so
>>>   
 much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
 
>>> since
>>>   
 its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
 
>>> in
>>>   
 the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
 
>>> trips
>>>   
 up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
 500mw amp.



 
>>>   
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>   
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Nope, Didn't work.  Using MTv3.17 and found that even though it will so some
sftp, it will not do rsync, or even FISH protocol that works with a vanilla
ssh server. sorry :-(

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
>
> All,
>
> I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years
> with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.  I'd
> like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
> Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the file
> system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a fresh
> binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot function
> resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
>
> Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
> Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
>
> Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt" backup
> solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes
> on
> each routeros system.
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

[Matt Jenkins]

What equipment?

Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote:
> Can do everything on this, but the cost.  Looks like around $515 in 
> single unit pricing.  Shoot me a call if you have questions.
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>> I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am 
>> finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a 
>> true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true 
>> Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and parts 
>> however that's a support nightmare waiting to happen.
>>  
>> If you could have a Mesh Radio designed the way you want, what would 
>> it look like?
>>  
>> My wish would look something like this:
>> - Dual radio
>> - Client access on 802.11b/g (optional 4.9 model for Public Safety)
>> - Mesh on 802.11a (open-mesh?) with DFS on 5.2/5.4
>> - Automatic scan for best channel
>> - Multi-SSID (up to 16 SSID/VLAN sets)
>> - BW allocation per SSID
>> - QoS per VLAN
>> - Encryption
>> - Client Isolation
>> - SNMP v1, v2
>> - Ping watchdog
>> - Push/Pull config
>> - NAT/DHCP to clients (running as router)
>> - 10/100 Ethernet
>> - Outdoor, ready to hang (not a roll-your-own)
>> - Browser Configurable
>> - POE
>> - Tech support from a manufacturer (not third party 
>> support/forums/mail lists)
>> - FCC certified as a system
>> - Cost <350.00
>>  
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

On the MT customers it's 23dbi panels, way up there.

>From this day forward I plan to use only Moto APs. Why do you say it
has to be an omni, though?

On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Well I am using the 5/8 Heliax on some 5ghz PTP shots only. I have not done
> any PTMP stuff with it yet. The loss at 5ghz is about 4.5db/100ft. I know
> when I did the PTP shots before when I had the radio's mounted up top I was
> using 24db panels and once I switched to the HELIAX and the radio's at the
> bottom I changed that side to a 29db 2 foot dish and I actually seen the
> signals go up a couple db. I would assume you could use it for PTMP but you
> may have to switch to a little higher gain antenna on the client end. But I
> would rather have a better client antenna anyway than have to worry about
> lightning on the main tower so the benefits outweigh the negatives.
>
> The nice thing with with backhaul radio's being on the ground is if you ever
> maxed out a link and needed to move up to some higher throughput radios all
> you gotta do is unscrew the coax at the bottom and plug the new radio's in.
> :)
>
> You could do it with canopy also if you are using the connectorized 2.4ghz
> AP and a vertical omni. I know the Canopy radio's are $1500 so just saving
> from 1 lightning hit is more than worth it.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
> Awesome!  What about the XR5?  Or any 5.8 card for that matter?
>
> We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in
> the field, but what about financially?  I see that this cable is $600 for
> 150 feet.  At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning
> strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it.  If I'm about to deploy a
> Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>
>> The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
>> http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf
>>
>> The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the
>> higher
>> powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
>> also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor
>> go
>> down also. :)
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>
>> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
>> > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>> >
>> > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
>> > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be
> by
>> my
>> > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to
>> have
>> > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
>> > night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>> >
>> > Kurt Fankhauser
>> > WAVELINC
>> > P.O. Box 126
>> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> > 419-562-6405
>> > www.wavelinc.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>> >
>> > Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>> >
>> > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> > improbable, must be the truth."
>> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and
>> put
>> > a
>> >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db
> power
>> >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than
> having
>> >> the
>> >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the
>> ground.
>> >> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
>> >>
>

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Well I am using the 5/8 Heliax on some 5ghz PTP shots only. I have not done
any PTMP stuff with it yet. The loss at 5ghz is about 4.5db/100ft. I know
when I did the PTP shots before when I had the radio's mounted up top I was
using 24db panels and once I switched to the HELIAX and the radio's at the
bottom I changed that side to a 29db 2 foot dish and I actually seen the
signals go up a couple db. I would assume you could use it for PTMP but you
may have to switch to a little higher gain antenna on the client end. But I
would rather have a better client antenna anyway than have to worry about
lightning on the main tower so the benefits outweigh the negatives.

The nice thing with with backhaul radio's being on the ground is if you ever
maxed out a link and needed to move up to some higher throughput radios all
you gotta do is unscrew the coax at the bottom and plug the new radio's in.
:)

You could do it with canopy also if you are using the connectorized 2.4ghz
AP and a vertical omni. I know the Canopy radio's are $1500 so just saving
from 1 lightning hit is more than worth it.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

Awesome!  What about the XR5?  Or any 5.8 card for that matter?

We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in
the field, but what about financially?  I see that this cable is $600 for
150 feet.  At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning
strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it.  If I'm about to deploy a
Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
> http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf
>
> The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the
> higher
> powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
> also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor
> go
> down also. :)
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>
> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
> > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
> >
> > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
> > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be
by
> my
> > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to
> have
> > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
> > night now then I use to a few years back... :)
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
> >
> > Augh..4 bucks a foot.
> >
> > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and
> put
> > a
> >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db
power
> >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than
having
> >> the
> >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the
> ground.
> >> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
> >>
> >> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
> >> could
> >> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
> >> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >> 419-562-6405
> >> www.wavelinc.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Me

Re: [WISPA] Federal access recovery fee

[Chuck Profito]

Just opened one of our back up t-1 bills, They, AT&T, have added a $19.35
Federal Access Recovery Fee to our monthly billing.  Anybody else seeing
this?
(Normally we just see the bandwidth and the local loop)


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California






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Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

[Jack Unger]

Frank,

I especially like that last sentence of the 4th Amendment. The framers 
of the Constitution were absolutely brilliant when they realized they 
needed to add a final sentence to sum up the overall meaning in simple, 
everyday terms.  O:-)

jack


Frank Crawford wrote:
> I agree with Jack 100% and they can do it within bounds set forth in the 
> US Constitution and
>
>
> Amendment IV
>
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, 
> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be 
> violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, 
> supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place 
> to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Its a bad day 
> when the public believes gov agency's are above the law.
>
>
>
> Jack Unger wrote:
>   
>> FROM THE FCC WEBSITE:
>>
>> About the FCC
>>
>> The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United 
>> States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications 
>> Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international 
>> communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The 
>> FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and 
>> U.S. possessions.
>>
>> _
>>
>> In other words -
>>
>> The FCC has the power to shut down illegal transmitters. It's their job. 
>> It's that simple.
>>
>> For example, if someone is transmitting on a Fire Department frequency 
>> and jamming the Fire Department's radio system, FCC engineers respond, 
>> they locate the source of the jamming and take the jamming transmitter 
>> off the air. Same thing if someone is jamming an airport control tower 
>> frequency, or any other frequency.
>>
>> This principle applies to ANY transmitter including licensed 
>> transmitters, unlicensed transmitters and any transmitters, including 
>> those in wireless routers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/
>>>   
-- 
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

Awesome!  What about the XR5?  Or any 5.8 card for that matter?

We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in
the field, but what about financially?  I see that this cable is $600 for
150 feet.  At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning
strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it.  If I'm about to deploy a
Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
> http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf
>
> The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the
> higher
> powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
> also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor
> go
> down also. :)
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?
>
> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
> > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
> >
> > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
> > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by
> my
> > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to
> have
> > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
> > night now then I use to a few years back... :)
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
> >
> > Augh..4 bucks a foot.
> >
> > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and
> put
> > a
> >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
> >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
> >> the
> >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the
> ground.
> >> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
> >>
> >> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
> >> could
> >> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
> >> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >> 419-562-6405
> >> www.wavelinc.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
> >>
> >> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an
> amplifier?
> >>
> >> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
> >> outside way up there!
> >>
> >> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> >> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely
> illegal
> >> >> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
> >> >>
> >> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and
> you
> >> >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
> > get
> >> >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless
> is
> >> an
> >> >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
> > have
> >> so
> >> > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
> >> since
> >> > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the
> radios
> >> in
> >> > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
> >> trips
> >> > up and down replacing one

Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

[Frank Crawford]

I agree with Jack 100% and they can do it within bounds set forth in the 
US Constitution and


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, 
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be 
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, 
supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place 
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Its a bad day 
when the public believes gov agency's are above the law.



Jack Unger wrote:
> FROM THE FCC WEBSITE:
>
> About the FCC
>
> The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United 
> States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications 
> Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international 
> communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The 
> FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and 
> U.S. possessions.
>
> _
>
> In other words -
>
> The FCC has the power to shut down illegal transmitters. It's their job. 
> It's that simple.
>
> For example, if someone is transmitting on a Fire Department frequency 
> and jamming the Fire Department's radio system, FCC engineers respond, 
> they locate the source of the jamming and take the jamming transmitter 
> off the air. Same thing if someone is jamming an airport control tower 
> frequency, or any other frequency.
>
> This principle applies to ANY transmitter including licensed 
> transmitters, unlicensed transmitters and any transmitters, including 
> those in wireless routers.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>   
>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Kurt Fankhauser]

The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off.
http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf

The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the higher
powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out
also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor go
down also. :)

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>
> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by
my
> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>
> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:
>
>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
> a
>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
>> the
>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
>>
>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
>> could
>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>
>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>>
>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
>> outside way up there!
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>> >
>> >>
>> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely
illegal
>> >> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>> >>
>> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and
you
>> >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
> get
>> >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless
is
>> an
>> >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
> have
>> so
>> > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
>> since
>> > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the
radios
>> in
>> > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
>> trips
>> > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw
or
>> > 500mw amp.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8?  Or 900?

On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the
> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also.
>
> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a
> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my
> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have
> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at
> night now then I use to a few years back... :)
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
> Augh..4 bucks a foot.
>
> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>
>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put
> a
>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
>> the
>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
>>
>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
>> could
>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>>
>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>>
>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
>> outside way up there!
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>> >
>> >>
>> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> >> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>> >>
>> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>> >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
> get
>> >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
>> an
>> >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
> have
>> so
>> > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
>> since
>> > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
>> in
>> > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
>> trips
>> > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
>> > 500mw amp.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> 
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[John Valenti]

Jeremy,

Since you mention StarOS, I have to ask:  why not just use the Lucaya  
gear?

If you skip the amps, the X2000 would let your climber take up a  
replacement radio and change two RF cables and one ethernet cable.   
(for two radios)

Just curious why you seem to reject the StarOS preferred hardware?
thanks
-John

On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:

> I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
> What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
> point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
> plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.




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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[Josh Luthman]

Look at the mt wiki in the Google results.  Some like Yabus

On 6/19/09, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:
> Thanks Scott.  I was thinking of something to search out and delete files
> with certain extensions.  Why not just keep overwriting the old files with
> the same name, Doh!  I didn't want to collect a zillion files locally.
> Will start adding this to my snapshot system shortly...
>
> Josh, I was not searching for backup scripts, but the commands to delete a
> specific file type from a mt system.  Interesting URL.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Scott Reed
> wrote:
>
>> Script can backup everything on MT, so I am not sure what you mean by
>> "email scripts do not."  Maybe the scripts you have don't, but they
>> can.  I create about 4 files on some of my routers and e-mail them to
>> myself.  I also have a unix expect script that goes and gets them, so
>> you can do what ever you want.
>>
>> Normal command to remove a file from telnet./ssh:
>>  / file remove filename
>>
>> Not sure you need that either.  If you create a new backup with the same
>> name every time, it overwrites the old one, just like any other OS.
>> /sys backup save name=filename
>>
>> Export is similar.  Go to the level to export
>> export file=filename
>>
>> If you want to give me specifics off-list about what you want, I can
>> probably give you the commands you need or put together a script in a
>> couple of minutes
>> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>> > Thanks Brad,
>> > I know all about the MT backup scripts to email, etc.  The advantage to
>> this
>> > system is that for a new system to work, I install an ssh key on the MT
>> and
>> > one line on the backup server.  This system also backs up all the
>> > hotspot
>> > and other files that are on the MT, email scripts do not.
>> >
>> > Basically i need the terminal commands to remove the two file types.
>> > Rsnapshot can execute a few commands, just as if you SSHed in to the MT
>> > prior to the sftp backup.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Scott Reed > >wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Normal ftp commands should work.  MT is a little different in that
>> >> files
>> >> are not really in directories, they just look like it.  I think if you
>> >> do a delete with full path and full filename it will work.
>> >>
>> >> You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want
>> >> every night.  Then your backup program just sucks up what the router
>> >> created.  Scripting uses exactly the same command format as the command
>> >> line, unless you try to get fancy.
>> >>
>> >> Brad Belton wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Brad
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> >>> Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
>> >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
>> >>> To: WISPA General List
>> >>> Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
>> >>>
>> >>> All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for
>> years
>> >>> with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.
>>  I'd
>> >>> like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would
>> >>> work:
>> >>> Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the
>> >>>
>> >> file
>> >>
>> >>> system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a
>> >>>
>> >> fresh
>> >>
>> >>> binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot
>> >>>
>> >> function
>> >>
>> >>> resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
>> >>> Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt"
>> backup
>> >>> solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration
>> changes
>> >>>
>> >> on
>> >>
>> >>> each routeros system.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Marshall
>> >>> Rabbit Meadows Technology
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

[Jack Unger]

Heck Mike, 

I knew that you knew...and you are right that many people just don't
know what the FCC's role is. 

jack


Mike Hammett wrote:

  oh, I wasn't complaining.  I was showcasing people's ignorance.

Perhaps I should have put in more than just a link.  ;-)


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--
From: "Jack Unger" 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:01 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

  
  
FROM THE FCC WEBSITE:

About the FCC

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United
States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications
Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international
communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The
FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and
U.S. possessions.

_

In other words -

The FCC has the power to shut down illegal transmitters. It's their job.
It's that simple.

For example, if someone is transmitting on a Fire Department frequency
and jamming the Fire Department's radio system, FCC engineers respond,
they locate the source of the jamming and take the jamming transmitter
off the air. Same thing if someone is jamming an airport control tower
frequency, or any other frequency.

This principle applies to ANY transmitter including licensed
transmitters, unlicensed transmitters and any transmitters, including
those in wireless routers.





Mike Hammett wrote:


  http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/


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Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

[Mike Hammett]

There isn't much here you can't already do elsewhere.  There are more 
sophisticated solutions out there...  Davitas and uMobility.


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From: "George Rogato" 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:42 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Google Voice

> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_am_2009-06-19
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Mike Hammett]

Largest CLEC network in the US?  I doubt it.  I seriously doubt it.

Level 3?
XO?
Cavalier?
One Communications?
Paetec?
etc.?


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From: "Martha Huizenga" 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:20 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

> Check out the video on their web site:
> http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001&a=55959&s=
>
> Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder
> of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the
> largest competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC) network in the U.S.
>
> Martha Huizenga
> DC Access, LLC
> 202-546-5898
> */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>
> /*
>
>
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Who owns Magic Jack?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Summary:
>>>
>>> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
>>>
>>> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you 
>>> already
>>> have and its own voicemail.
>>>
>>> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
>>> economy.  Then the world.
>>> *
>>> *Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
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>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 George Rogato wrote:

> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>
 Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
 announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
 portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

 Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.

 (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
 instead of making everyone click.)

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Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

[Mike Hammett]

oh, I wasn't complaining.  I was showcasing people's ignorance.

Perhaps I should have put in more than just a link.  ;-)


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From: "Jack Unger" 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

> FROM THE FCC WEBSITE:
>
> About the FCC
>
> The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United
> States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications
> Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international
> communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The
> FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and
> U.S. possessions.
>
> _
>
> In other words -
>
> The FCC has the power to shut down illegal transmitters. It's their job.
> It's that simple.
>
> For example, if someone is transmitting on a Fire Department frequency
> and jamming the Fire Department's radio system, FCC engineers respond,
> they locate the source of the jamming and take the jamming transmitter
> off the air. Same thing if someone is jamming an airport control tower
> frequency, or any other frequency.
>
> This principle applies to ANY transmitter including licensed
> transmitters, unlicensed transmitters and any transmitters, including
> those in wireless routers.
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Thanks Scott.  I was thinking of something to search out and delete files
with certain extensions.  Why not just keep overwriting the old files with
the same name, Doh!  I didn't want to collect a zillion files locally.
Will start adding this to my snapshot system shortly...

Josh, I was not searching for backup scripts, but the commands to delete a
specific file type from a mt system.  Interesting URL.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> Script can backup everything on MT, so I am not sure what you mean by
> "email scripts do not."  Maybe the scripts you have don't, but they
> can.  I create about 4 files on some of my routers and e-mail them to
> myself.  I also have a unix expect script that goes and gets them, so
> you can do what ever you want.
>
> Normal command to remove a file from telnet./ssh:
>  / file remove filename
>
> Not sure you need that either.  If you create a new backup with the same
> name every time, it overwrites the old one, just like any other OS.
> /sys backup save name=filename
>
> Export is similar.  Go to the level to export
> export file=filename
>
> If you want to give me specifics off-list about what you want, I can
> probably give you the commands you need or put together a script in a
> couple of minutes
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > Thanks Brad,
> > I know all about the MT backup scripts to email, etc.  The advantage to
> this
> > system is that for a new system to work, I install an ssh key on the MT
> and
> > one line on the backup server.  This system also backs up all the hotspot
> > and other files that are on the MT, email scripts do not.
> >
> > Basically i need the terminal commands to remove the two file types.
> > Rsnapshot can execute a few commands, just as if you SSHed in to the MT
> > prior to the sftp backup.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Scott Reed  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Normal ftp commands should work.  MT is a little different in that files
> >> are not really in directories, they just look like it.  I think if you
> >> do a delete with full path and full filename it will work.
> >>
> >> You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want
> >> every night.  Then your backup program just sucks up what the router
> >> created.  Scripting uses exactly the same command format as the command
> >> line, unless you try to get fancy.
> >>
> >> Brad Belton wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for
> years
> >>> with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.
>  I'd
> >>> like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
> >>> Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the
> >>>
> >> file
> >>
> >>> system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a
> >>>
> >> fresh
> >>
> >>> binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot
> >>>
> >> function
> >>
> >>> resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
> >>>
> >>> Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
> >>> Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
> >>>
> >>> Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt"
> backup
> >>> solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration
> changes
> >>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> each routeros system.
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Chuck Profito]

That's is what I remember from the list.  Once it was in, a 'normal'
subscriber couldn't get it out, and they, MJ, had a subscriber installed,
and "agreed to", OPEN Back Door to any computer it was installed on!   We
have a lot of subs with these, and I mention it to them, but they don't seem
to get it.  Scary stuff 

Chuck Profito
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to Rural Central California


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:32 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

There is some icky stuff in the EULA and apparently there is no way to
remove it automatically...have to go to the registers to do it properly.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
two days to pay their bill...

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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wrote:

> Who owns Magic Jack?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Summary:
> >
> > Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
> >
> > *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
> already
> > have and its own voicemail.
> >
> > Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by 
> > the economy.  Then the world.
> > *
> > *Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, 
> > however improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> >
> >> George Rogato wrote:
> >>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
> >> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their 
> >> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number 
> >> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
> >>
> >> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
> >>
> >> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the 
> >> article instead of making everyone click.)
> >>
> >> David Smith
> >> MVN.net
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[Josh Luthman]

Ahhh I can't help it!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ktnkug

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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

> Script can backup everything on MT, so I am not sure what you mean by
> "email scripts do not."  Maybe the scripts you have don't, but they
> can.  I create about 4 files on some of my routers and e-mail them to
> myself.  I also have a unix expect script that goes and gets them, so
> you can do what ever you want.
>
> Normal command to remove a file from telnet./ssh:
>  / file remove filename
>
> Not sure you need that either.  If you create a new backup with the same
> name every time, it overwrites the old one, just like any other OS.
> /sys backup save name=filename
>
> Export is similar.  Go to the level to export
> export file=filename
>
> If you want to give me specifics off-list about what you want, I can
> probably give you the commands you need or put together a script in a
> couple of minutes
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > Thanks Brad,
> > I know all about the MT backup scripts to email, etc.  The advantage to
> this
> > system is that for a new system to work, I install an ssh key on the MT
> and
> > one line on the backup server.  This system also backs up all the hotspot
> > and other files that are on the MT, email scripts do not.
> >
> > Basically i need the terminal commands to remove the two file types.
> > Rsnapshot can execute a few commands, just as if you SSHed in to the MT
> > prior to the sftp backup.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Scott Reed  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Normal ftp commands should work.  MT is a little different in that files
> >> are not really in directories, they just look like it.  I think if you
> >> do a delete with full path and full filename it will work.
> >>
> >> You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want
> >> every night.  Then your backup program just sucks up what the router
> >> created.  Scripting uses exactly the same command format as the command
> >> line, unless you try to get fancy.
> >>
> >> Brad Belton wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for
> years
> >>> with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.
>  I'd
> >>> like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
> >>> Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the
> >>>
> >> file
> >>
> >>> system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a
> >>>
> >> fresh
> >>
> >>> binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot
> >>>
> >> function
> >>
> >>> resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
> >>>
> >>> Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
> >>> Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
> >>>
> >>> Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt"
> backup
> >>> solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration
> changes
> >>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> each routeros system.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Marshall
> >>> Rabbit Meadows Technology
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[Scott Reed]

Script can backup everything on MT, so I am not sure what you mean by 
"email scripts do not."  Maybe the scripts you have don't, but they 
can.  I create about 4 files on some of my routers and e-mail them to 
myself.  I also have a unix expect script that goes and gets them, so 
you can do what ever you want.

Normal command to remove a file from telnet./ssh:
  / file remove filename

Not sure you need that either.  If you create a new backup with the same 
name every time, it overwrites the old one, just like any other OS.
/sys backup save name=filename

Export is similar.  Go to the level to export
export file=filename

If you want to give me specifics off-list about what you want, I can 
probably give you the commands you need or put together a script in a 
couple of minutes
rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> Thanks Brad,
> I know all about the MT backup scripts to email, etc.  The advantage to this
> system is that for a new system to work, I install an ssh key on the MT and
> one line on the backup server.  This system also backs up all the hotspot
> and other files that are on the MT, email scripts do not.
>
> Basically i need the terminal commands to remove the two file types.
> Rsnapshot can execute a few commands, just as if you SSHed in to the MT
> prior to the sftp backup.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Normal ftp commands should work.  MT is a little different in that files
>> are not really in directories, they just look like it.  I think if you
>> do a delete with full path and full filename it will work.
>>
>> You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want
>> every night.  Then your backup program just sucks up what the router
>> created.  Scripting uses exactly the same command format as the command
>> line, unless you try to get fancy.
>>
>> Brad Belton wrote:
>> 
>>> I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years
>>> with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.  I'd
>>> like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
>>> Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the
>>>   
>> file
>> 
>>> system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a
>>>   
>> fresh
>> 
>>> binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot
>>>   
>> function
>> 
>>> resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
>>>
>>> Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
>>> Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
>>>
>>> Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt" backup
>>> solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes
>>>   
>> on
>> 
>>> each routeros system.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marshall
>>> Rabbit Meadows Technology
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Thanks Brad,
I know all about the MT backup scripts to email, etc.  The advantage to this
system is that for a new system to work, I install an ssh key on the MT and
one line on the backup server.  This system also backs up all the hotspot
and other files that are on the MT, email scripts do not.

Basically i need the terminal commands to remove the two file types.
Rsnapshot can execute a few commands, just as if you SSHed in to the MT
prior to the sftp backup.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> Normal ftp commands should work.  MT is a little different in that files
> are not really in directories, they just look like it.  I think if you
> do a delete with full path and full filename it will work.
>
> You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want
> every night.  Then your backup program just sucks up what the router
> created.  Scripting uses exactly the same command format as the command
> line, unless you try to get fancy.
>
> Brad Belton wrote:
> > I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
> >
> > Thanks,
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> >
> > Brad
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> > Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years
> > with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.  I'd
> > like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
> > Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the
> file
> > system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a
> fresh
> > binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot
> function
> > resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
> >
> > Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
> > Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
> >
> > Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt" backup
> > solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes
> on
> > each routeros system.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marshall
> > Rabbit Meadows Technology
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[Scott Reed]

Normal ftp commands should work.  MT is a little different in that files 
are not really in directories, they just look like it.  I think if you 
do a delete with full path and full filename it will work.

You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want 
every night.  Then your backup program just sucks up what the router 
created.  Scripting uses exactly the same command format as the command 
line, unless you try to get fancy.

Brad Belton wrote:
> I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brad
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>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
>
> All,
>
> I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years
> with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.  I'd
> like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
> Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the file
> system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a fresh
> binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot function
> resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.
>
> Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
> Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.
>
> Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt" backup
> solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes on
> each routeros system.
>
> Thanks,
> Marshall
> Rabbit Meadows Technology
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

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FROM THE FCC WEBSITE:

About the FCC

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United 
States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications 
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communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The 
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In other words -

The FCC has the power to shut down illegal transmitters. It's their job. 
It's that simple.

For example, if someone is transmitting on a Fire Department frequency 
and jamming the Fire Department's radio system, FCC engineers respond, 
they locate the source of the jamming and take the jamming transmitter 
off the air. Same thing if someone is jamming an airport control tower 
frequency, or any other frequency.

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Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

[Josh Luthman]

No one entity should control the world, but let's not take this joke to
politicville =)

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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dylan Oliver wrote:

> Google voice is awesome. Can't wait to be able to port numbers over. I
> would
> be okay with such sheer awesomeness taking over the world.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
> > Summary:
> >
> > Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
> >
> > *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
> already
> > have and its own voicemail.
> >
> > Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
> > economy.  Then the world.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[os10rules]

I googled the name, and also googled the name of the product with the  
word "sucks" to see what people who don't like the product say when a  
friend was interested in the product a few weeks back. Sounds like  
it's 2nd rate phone service and poor customer service, about what one  
would expect at that price.

Greg

On Jun 19, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

> I was reading a business article about itseems that right now it's
> being sold as a lose leader and I believe the $19.95 is based only one
> year deal that could change to a monthly fee after that; emphasis on
> "could", so far it hasn't.
>
> I think their ultimate goal is to hit critical mass then hope one of  
> the
> big boys comes and buys them out for a gazzillion dollars. But right  
> now
> they are sort of burning the candle at both ends.
>
> Regardless, how can you beat $19.95 for a year and I know that they  
> are
> advertising like crazy on the morning portion of Bloomberg TV!
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 08:42 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
>
>> Surprisingly to me, it's kinda caught on so much so that quite a  
>> few of
>> my subs use it.
>>
>> Lately I was toying with the thought of doing a "Magic Jack" bundle  
>> with
>> my service.
>>
>> Of course I have my own voip offering through VOX and I'm not sure  
>> if it
>> would take away from that or add to it.
>>
>> I wonder if offering a low end deal like Magic Jack is going to hurt
>> OFN's image or help bolster it..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
>>> portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent  
>>> nearly
>>> two days to pay their bill...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,  
>>> however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato >> >wrote:
>>>
 Who owns Magic Jack?



 Josh Luthman wrote:
> Summary:
>
> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a  
> *million DIDs.
>
> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
 already
> have and its own voicemail.
>
> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed  
> by the
> economy.  Then the world.
> *
> *Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,  
> however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith   
> wrote:
>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and  
>> their
>> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
>> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone  
>> company too.
>>
>> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
>>
>> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the  
>> article
>> instead of making everyone click.)
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[Brad Belton]

I would be interested in this as well.  Please share on-list!

Thanks,


Brad


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Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

All,

I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years
with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.  I'd
like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the file
system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a fresh
binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot function
resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.

Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.

Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt" backup
solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes on
each routeros system.

Thanks,
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[WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

[rabbtux rabbtux]

All,

I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years
with good results.  I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp.  I'd
like to get snapshot backups of all our APs.  Here's how it would work:
Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the file
system.  I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a fresh
binary backup, followed by a text export.  3) The normal rsnapshot function
resumes getting a copy of the filesystem.

Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script.
Specifically how to delete the existing backup files.

Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt" backup
solution.  It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes on
each routeros system.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

[Dylan Oliver]

Google voice is awesome. Can't wait to be able to port numbers over. I would
be okay with such sheer awesomeness taking over the world.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> Summary:
>
> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
>
> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
> have and its own voicemail.
>
> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
> economy.  Then the world.


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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Bret Clark]

I was reading a business article about itseems that right now it's
being sold as a lose leader and I believe the $19.95 is based only one
year deal that could change to a monthly fee after that; emphasis on
"could", so far it hasn't. 

I think their ultimate goal is to hit critical mass then hope one of the
big boys comes and buys them out for a gazzillion dollars. But right now
they are sort of burning the candle at both ends.

Regardless, how can you beat $19.95 for a year and I know that they are
advertising like crazy on the morning portion of Bloomberg TV! 


On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 08:42 -0700, George Rogato wrote:

> Surprisingly to me, it's kinda caught on so much so that quite a few of 
> my subs use it.
> 
> Lately I was toying with the thought of doing a "Magic Jack" bundle with 
> my service.
> 
> Of course I have my own voip offering through VOX and I'm not sure if it 
> would take away from that or add to it.
> 
> I wonder if offering a low end deal like Magic Jack is going to hurt 
> OFN's image or help bolster it..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
> > portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
> > two days to pay their bill...
> > 
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> > 
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> > improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wrote:
> > 
> >> Who owns Magic Jack?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>> Summary:
> >>>
> >>> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
> >>>
> >>> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
> >> already
> >>> have and its own voicemail.
> >>>
> >>> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
> >>> economy.  Then the world.
> >>> *
> >>> *Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> >>> improbable, must be the truth."
> >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> >>>
>  George Rogato wrote:
> > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>  Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
>  announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
>  portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
> 
>  Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
> 
>  (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
>  instead of making everyone click.)
> 
>  David Smith
>  MVN.net
> 
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[WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/


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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[George Rogato]

I quickly googled Magic Jack Corporate and didn't get any corporate 
info, so I was assuming it was a privately held product.

No stock play there

:(



Martha Huizenga wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
> Martha Huizenga
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> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
> 
> /*
> 
> 
> 
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Are they a publicly traded company?
>>
>>
>> Martha Huizenga wrote:
>>   
>>> Check out the video on their web site: 
>>> http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001&a=55959&s=
>>>
>>> Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder 
>>> of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the 
>>> largest competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC) network in the U.S.
>>>
>>> Martha Huizenga
>>> DC Access, LLC
>>> 202-546-5898
>>> */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
>>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>>>
>>> /*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> 
 Who owns Magic Jack?



 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
   
> Summary:
>
> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
>
> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
> have and its own voicemail.
>
> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
> economy.  Then the world.
> *
> *Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
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>> George Rogato wrote:
>>   
>>   
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>>> 
>>> 
>> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
>> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
>> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
>>
>> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[George Rogato]

Surprisingly to me, it's kinda caught on so much so that quite a few of 
my subs use it.

Lately I was toying with the thought of doing a "Magic Jack" bundle with 
my service.

Of course I have my own voip offering through VOX and I'm not sure if it 
would take away from that or add to it.

I wonder if offering a low end deal like Magic Jack is going to hurt 
OFN's image or help bolster it..






Josh Luthman wrote:
> I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
> portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
> two days to pay their bill...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wrote:
> 
>> Who owns Magic Jack?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Summary:
>>>
>>> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
>>>
>>> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
>> already
>>> have and its own voicemail.
>>>
>>> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
>>> economy.  Then the world.
>>> *
>>> *Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>>>
 George Rogato wrote:
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
 Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
 announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
 portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

 Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.

 (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
 instead of making everyone click.)

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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Martha Huizenga]

I don't think so.

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George Rogato wrote:
> Are they a publicly traded company?
>
>
> Martha Huizenga wrote:
>   
>> Check out the video on their web site: 
>> http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001&a=55959&s=
>>
>> Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder 
>> of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the 
>> largest competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC) network in the U.S.
>>
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>>
>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>> 
>>> Who owns Magic Jack?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Summary:

 Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.

 *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
 have and its own voicemail.

 Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
 economy.  Then the world.
 *
 *Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 improbable, must be the truth."
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


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> George Rogato wrote:
>   
>   
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>> 
>> 
> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
>
> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
>
> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
> instead of making everyone click.)
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Scott Reed]

Do the link budgets including cable loss.
XR cards are 600mW cards, so more output than the amps originally proposed.
I have XR cards on the ground, 150' of LMR600 to antennae at the top and 
the links all work as predicted.
I just can't see putting any kind of amp at the top when you can do it 
all with the card and the proper cable.  It is all in the planning.

Josh Luthman wrote:
> David,
>
> Compex aka r52(h) and xr5 are atheros 5413 for sure.
>
> But the xr5 well outperforms like you said - more so to do with the
> "wireless stuff" in the card I am sure.
>
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>   
>> Scott Carullo wrote:
>> 
>>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>>   
>> This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with
>> Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd
>> turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be
>> okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so
>> they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better
>> performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor.
>> Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work
>> better, but "modern" radio cards can put out enough power that you
>> likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse.
>>
>> We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much
>> power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our
>> 2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive
>> card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and
>> we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even
>> better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset).
>>
>> If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most
>> of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members.
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[George Rogato]

Are they a publicly traded company?


Martha Huizenga wrote:
> Check out the video on their web site: 
> http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001&a=55959&s=
> 
> Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder 
> of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the 
> largest competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC) network in the U.S.
> 
> Martha Huizenga
> DC Access, LLC
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> 
> 
> 
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Who owns Magic Jack?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>   
>>> Summary:
>>>
>>> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
>>>
>>> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
>>> have and its own voicemail.
>>>
>>> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
>>> economy.  Then the world.
>>> *
>>> *Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 George Rogato wrote:
   
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
> 
 Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
 announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
 portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

 Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.

 (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
 instead of making everyone click.)

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 MVN.net



 
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Jeff Broadwick]

There is some icky stuff in the EULA and apparently there is no way to
remove it automatically...have to go to the registers to do it properly.

Jeff
 

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I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
two days to pay their bill...

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wrote:

> Who owns Magic Jack?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Summary:
> >
> > Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
> >
> > *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
> already
> > have and its own voicemail.
> >
> > Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by 
> > the economy.  Then the world.
> > *
> > *Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, 
> > however improbable, must be the truth."
> > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> >
> >> George Rogato wrote:
> >>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
> >> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their 
> >> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number 
> >> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
> >>
> >> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
> >>
> >> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the 
> >> article instead of making everyone click.)
> >>
> >> David Smith
> >> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Martha Huizenga]

Check out the video on their web site: 
http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001&a=55959&s=

Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder 
of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the 
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George Rogato wrote:
> Who owns Magic Jack?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> Summary:
>>
>> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
>>
>> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
>> have and its own voicemail.
>>
>> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
>> economy.  Then the world.
>> *
>> *Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>   
 http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
 
>>> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
>>> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
>>> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
>>>
>>> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
>>>
>>> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
>>> instead of making everyone click.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

[Josh Luthman]

I played with it a while back.  Very good stuff, just needs number
portability and a little better support.  I know someone who spent nearly
two days to pay their bill...

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM, George Rogato wrote:

> Who owns Magic Jack?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Summary:
> >
> > Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
> >
> > *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you
> already
> > have and its own voicemail.
> >
> > Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
> > economy.  Then the world.
> > *
> > *Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
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> >>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
> >> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
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> >> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
> >>
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> >>
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[WISPA] Magic Jack

[George Rogato]

Who owns Magic Jack?



Josh Luthman wrote:
> Summary:
> 
> Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.
> 
> *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
> have and its own voicemail.
> 
> Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
> economy.  Then the world.
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> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> 
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
>> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
>> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
>>
>> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
>>
>> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
>> instead of making everyone click.)
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Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

[Josh Luthman]

Summary:

Google is becoming a phone company.  They just reserved a *million DIDs.

*Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already
have and its own voicemail.

Google is taking over the technology market.  Shortly followed by the
economy.  Then the world.
*
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:

> George Rogato wrote:
> > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html
>
> Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their
> announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number
> portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.
>
> Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.
>
> (Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article
> instead of making everyone click.)
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[WISPA] Economic impact of broadband

[Mike Hammett]

Can anyone direct me to documentation on the economic impact of broadband 
services?


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Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

[David E. Smith]

George Rogato wrote:
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html

Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their 
announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number 
portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

Curiously, I think I might be alright with something like that.

(Aside: Woulda been nice to put in even a brief summary of the article 
instead of making everyone click.)

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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[RickG]

Does the XR2/5 work in a WRAP or WAR or both? -RickG

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman
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> I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5.  I think it is a bit more then
> the compex cards but well worth it.
>
> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> > I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
> > What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
> > point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
> > plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

Augh..4 bucks a foot.

What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax?

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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a
> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having
> the
> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(
>
> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I
> could
> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
>
> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>
> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
> outside way up there!
>
> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
> >
> >>
> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
> >> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
> >>
> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
> >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
> >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
> an
> >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
> >>
> >
> > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have
> so
> > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
> since
> > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
> in
> > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
> trips
> > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
> > 500mw amp.
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[WISPA] Google Voice

[George Rogato]

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_am_2009-06-19




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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a
250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power
output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having the
radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground.
BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :(

So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I could
have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have
actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
outside way up there!

On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>
>>
>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>
>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
an
>> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>>
>
> I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have
so
> much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
> its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
in
> the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
trips
> up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
> 500mw amp.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

David,

Compex aka r52(h) and xr5 are atheros 5413 for sure.

But the xr5 well outperforms like you said - more so to do with the
"wireless stuff" in the card I am sure.

On 6/19/09, David E. Smith  wrote:
> Scott Carullo wrote:
>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>
> This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with
> Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd
> turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be
> okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so
> they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better
> performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor.
> Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work
> better, but "modern" radio cards can put out enough power that you
> likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse.
>
> We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much
> power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our
> 2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive
> card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and
> we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even
> better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset).
>
> If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most
> of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members.
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[David E. Smith]

Scott Carullo wrote:
> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal 
> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with 
Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd 
turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be 
okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so 
they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better 
performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor. 
Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work 
better, but "modern" radio cards can put out enough power that you 
likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse.

We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much 
power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our 
2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive 
card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and 
we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even 
better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset).

If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most 
of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members.

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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/19 Kurt Fankhauser :
> Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no
> better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8
> heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser.

Yes, I'm aware, and I've built it both ways in the past. I will also
be at least a day away from each of these sites, and want to simplify
the upkeep. I'll have someone on the ground who can troubleshoot the
boards and radio cards, but will not climb. The tower labour will be
mostly unskilled, and swapping three amps with coax connections will
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

Burst and busted at the same time that is :)  Need Dew...

On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> Bubble bursted, nevermind.
>
> On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>>
>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
>> outside way up there!
>>
>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>>> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>>>

 My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
 power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

 You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
 should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you
 get
 them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
 an
 excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

>>>
>>> I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we
>>> have
>>> so
>>> much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
>>> since
>>> its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
>>> in
>>> the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
>>> trips
>>> up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
>>> 500mw amp.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

Bubble bursted, nevermind.

On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?
>
> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
> outside way up there!
>
> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>>
>>>
>>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>>
>>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
>>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is
>>> an
>>> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>>>
>>
>> I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have
>> so
>> much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp,
>> since
>> its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios
>> in
>> the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20
>> trips
>> up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
>> 500mw amp.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier?

I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna
outside way up there!

On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 
>
>>
>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
>> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>>
>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
>> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>>
>
> I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
> much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
> its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
> the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
> up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
> 500mw amp.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no
better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8
heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:59 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 

>
> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>
> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>

I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
500mw amp.




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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Jeremy Parr]

2009/6/19 Scott Carullo 

>
> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal
> power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.
>
> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you
> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get
> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an
> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.
>

I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so
much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since
its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in
the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips
up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or
500mw amp.



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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Scott Carullo]

My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal 
power.  You can get what you need out of the minipci card.

You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you 
should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get 
them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere.  Titan Wireless is an 
excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
> From: "Jeremy Parr" 
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:42 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
> 
> I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
> What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
> point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
> plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Josh Luthman]

I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5.  I think it is a bit more then
the compex cards but well worth it.

On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
> What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
> point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
> plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.
>
>
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[WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

[Jeremy Parr]

I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance.
What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access
point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I
plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.



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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

[L. Aaron Kaplan]

As far as I am informed, the Athens wireless folks use a custom built  
OLSR package for Microtik.
I think I could put that onto the www.olsr.org page

FYI: OLSR.org is proven to scale to at least 1000 nodes. We currently  
estimate a few thousand nodes is possible with linksys 200MHz devices.  
Tests between Freifunk and Funkfeuer cross connection showed that 1000  
nodes work.

best,
a.


On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Butch Evans wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 22:19 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> Butch, MT has some Mesh support built in now, I assume you have  
>> tested it
>> and / or helped others who may have deployed, whats your feedback on
>> functionality and stability? Ready for real world deployment?
>
> I've tested it in numerous configurations in a lab environment.
> Configuration is quick and easy.  It works pretty well for small
> deployments, but does not work well when a router has multiple  
> wireless
> interfaces that are part of the mesh.  If the configuration includes




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