Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
v2, I'm pretty sure v3 does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side.
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Tranzeo's newer atheros based radios do support 5/10/20 mhz. Regards Michael Baird What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that you installed a higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going to be narrower (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you installed the antenna with the same down tilt angle
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
I think they call it cloaking Mike Hammett wrote: v2, I'm pretty sure v3 does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he calls it channel cloaking. Regards Michael Baird StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
Do you have a calculator for signal levels? They are powerful tools. Lets say that we have an AP putting out 20dB into an 8dB omni. That's 28dB or roughly .6 watts. At the client end we'll use a 24dB grid with a 24dB radio output (max allowed under the 3 for 1 rule) for 48dB or 60 watts. That calculates out to an rssi of -75. Still in the sweet zone. With an AP output of only 17dB we'd still have an rssi at the remote end of -78, well within the capabilities of today's radios. Work it the other way and you'd have -71 coming back to the AP (the eirp on the cpe is higher than the AP can be). Wanna know what's really fun? Plug 20 miles into the calculator and we're still at -81 for the rssi at the customer end. That's with an 8dB omni and 17dB transmitter. NO amp! Still well within the capabilities of today's radios. Naturally, you'll need pretty clean air and radios that can be adjusted for range to make this work. But there it is That help? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations What type of signal you getting on your systems at 15?The land here is pretty flat, not much variation, some trees, no pine at all. Your basic flat as a pancake farmland. What's your setup? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations roflol We routinely go 15 or more to an omni. And we don't use amps and rarely even go all the way up to 36 watts eirp. Overall system design is important. Not just big omnis and amps Maybe I need to get out there and do some consulting work again? sheesh Who's been teaching people for the last 2 or 3 years? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations 10 is a dream... I know. But been thinking of going sector. Not many users there at the moment but replacing the antennas may be a good reason to upgrade the whole mess. Really only need a good 3 to 5 miles but further is always better for redundancy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I wouldnt use an omni to go 10 miles. Why not sector? -RickG On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] HotSpot users and FCC Reporting
Hi Martha, I believe that they want the usage reported where it takes place. Not at the billing address. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] HotSpot users and FCC Reporting Hi, I have asked this question before, but I have some new MTU buildings that I am setting up more as a hotspot. So people don't have to sign up with me and get installed, they just get on if they want to either daily or monthly. I have a lot of people who haven't given addresses or have given addresses in other states. Probably their billing address. So do I make up the jurisdiction they are in? This is not so hard now as I don't have that many. But later on (hopefully) it will be harder. Perhaps we should entice the FCC to think about this more carefully when they want us to report to them? Thanks Martha -- Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
My calculator says, -75 at 15 miles from the AP with a 20db transmit, 8 db antenna, and 24 db on the RX side, leaves you with a fade margin of -0.686 in perfect world conditions, not taking into account earth curvature, fresnel zone incursions, weather, or tower height which will all add loss, the fade margin is only going to be worse. Let me know where I've gone wrong in my calculations, that tells me that connection isn't going to be stable or viable. http://www.wisp-router.com/wirelesscalculators.php#budget Regards Michael Baird Do you have a calculator for signal levels? They are powerful tools. Lets say that we have an AP putting out 20dB into an 8dB omni. That's 28dB or roughly .6 watts. At the client end we'll use a 24dB grid with a 24dB radio output (max allowed under the 3 for 1 rule) for 48dB or 60 watts. That calculates out to an rssi of -75. Still in the sweet zone. With an AP output of only 17dB we'd still have an rssi at the remote end of -78, well within the capabilities of today's radios. Work it the other way and you'd have -71 coming back to the AP (the eirp on the cpe is higher than the AP can be). Wanna know what's really fun? Plug 20 miles into the calculator and we're still at -81 for the rssi at the customer end. That's with an 8dB omni and 17dB transmitter. NO amp! Still well within the capabilities of today's radios. Naturally, you'll need pretty clean air and radios that can be adjusted for range to make this work. But there it is That help? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations What type of signal you getting on your systems at 15?The land here is pretty flat, not much variation, some trees, no pine at all. Your basic flat as a pancake farmland. What's your setup? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations roflol We routinely go 15 or more to an omni. And we don't use amps and rarely even go all the way up to 36 watts eirp. Overall system design is important. Not just big omnis and amps Maybe I need to get out there and do some consulting work again? sheesh Who's been teaching people for the last 2 or 3 years? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations 10 is a dream... I know. But been thinking of going sector. Not many users there at the moment but replacing the antennas may be a good reason to upgrade the whole mess. Really only need a good 3 to 5 miles but further is always better for redundancy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I wouldnt use an omni to go 10 miles. Why not sector? -RickG On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
That really depends Rick. The down side to an omni is that it picks up noise from all directions. In some places though, there isn't that much noise so it's no big deal. They are also low gain so they don't hear the noise as well. Here's a question for you. Which system will see more known noise, three omni antennas 10 miles apart, or three sectors on the same tower? marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations You taught me Marlon :) What I take home from you is: Stay away from omni antennas unless they are low gain. Sectors are better. Keep power low. No amps. etc, etc. Doesnt using an omni to go 15 miles invite a lot of interference? (Still learning) -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: roflol We routinely go 15 or more to an omni. And we don't use amps and rarely even go all the way up to 36 watts eirp. Overall system design is important. Not just big omnis and amps Maybe I need to get out there and do some consulting work again? sheesh Who's been teaching people for the last 2 or 3 years? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations 10 is a dream... I know. But been thinking of going sector. Not many users there at the moment but replacing the antennas may be a good reason to upgrade the whole mess. Really only need a good 3 to 5 miles but further is always better for redundancy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I wouldnt use an omni to go 10 miles. Why not sector? -RickG On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
Fade margin is a factor of radio sensitivity. Not just a random number. We are generally forced to ignore fresnel zone issues, customers won't put up the 100' antennas it takes to do this perfectly I've been bitten by this a few times, but only a handful are verifiable over the last 10 or so years. OK, back to fade margin. Lets say that you have a radio with a -96 receive sensitivity. At -75 rssi that means that you have a 20dB fade margin. At a frequency that's basically immune to weather issues this leaves a lot of room to play. Newer radios normally have a sensitivity of -80+++ at 11 meg so you still have a usable fade margin. Would I build a system like this for $500 per month t-1 type services? Nope. But for $30 to $40 per month best effort consumer grade data services it's just fine. Also remember, tons of fade margin also equates to tons of noise These are not ptp links in isolated areas that have few other users. We ALL have to run on the lowest power levels possible in order to keep the environment clean. By far, my worst two sites to deal with are the ones that have the most competitors in the area. And the fewest transmit location options. We're all running systems that reach out to 10 to 15 miles. We have to. The biggest problem is that the other guys just can't seem to use grid antennas for cpe when the ranges get long. They run higher power at the ap so that they can still use little 19dB cpe antennas. Then we all end up with interference at the AP that gets catastrophic. Plus the customer density here requires many ap's. I have as many as 5 2.4 gig ptmp systems on one tower. I'm often my own worst enemy because the ap's see each other so well. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations My calculator says, -75 at 15 miles from the AP with a 20db transmit, 8 db antenna, and 24 db on the RX side, leaves you with a fade margin of -0.686 in perfect world conditions, not taking into account earth curvature, fresnel zone incursions, weather, or tower height which will all add loss, the fade margin is only going to be worse. Let me know where I've gone wrong in my calculations, that tells me that connection isn't going to be stable or viable. http://www.wisp-router.com/wirelesscalculators.php#budget Regards Michael Baird Do you have a calculator for signal levels? They are powerful tools. Lets say that we have an AP putting out 20dB into an 8dB omni. That's 28dB or roughly .6 watts. At the client end we'll use a 24dB grid with a 24dB radio output (max allowed under the 3 for 1 rule) for 48dB or 60 watts. That calculates out to an rssi of -75. Still in the sweet zone. With an AP output of only 17dB we'd still have an rssi at the remote end of -78, well within the capabilities of today's radios. Work it the other way and you'd have -71 coming back to the AP (the eirp on the cpe is higher than the AP can be). Wanna know what's really fun? Plug 20 miles into the calculator and we're still at -81 for the rssi at the customer end. That's with an 8dB omni and 17dB transmitter. NO amp! Still well within the capabilities of today's radios. Naturally, you'll need pretty clean air and radios that can be adjusted for range to make this work. But there it is That help? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations What type of signal you getting on your systems at 15?The land here is pretty flat, not much variation, some trees, no pine at all. Your basic flat as a pancake farmland. What's your setup? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations roflol We routinely go 15 or more to an omni. And we don't use amps and rarely even go all the way up to 36 watts eirp. Overall system design is important. Not just big omnis and amps Maybe I need to get out there and do some consulting work again? sheesh Who's been teaching people for the last 2 or 3 years? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations 10 is a dream... I know. But been thinking of going sector. Not many users there at the moment but replacing the antennas may be a good reason to upgrade the whole mess. Really only need a good 3 to 5 miles but further is always better for redundancy. -Original
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
It must be a v3 thing. I've never seen such that option with v2. -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he calls it channel cloaking. Regards Michael Baird StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind reading
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations
Your question was my next one! I'm told that properly set up, sectors should not see each other loud enough to hurt. I'm sure the quad-sector tower I mentioned earlier in this thread can see the other sectors. I cant tell because it has prism cards :( Guess which tower is going to get the first upgrade :) -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: That really depends Rick. The down side to an omni is that it picks up noise from all directions. In some places though, there isn't that much noise so it's no big deal. They are also low gain so they don't hear the noise as well. Here's a question for you. Which system will see more known noise, three omni antennas 10 miles apart, or three sectors on the same tower? marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations You taught me Marlon :) What I take home from you is: Stay away from omni antennas unless they are low gain. Sectors are better. Keep power low. No amps. etc, etc. Doesnt using an omni to go 15 miles invite a lot of interference? (Still learning) -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: roflol We routinely go 15 or more to an omni. And we don't use amps and rarely even go all the way up to 36 watts eirp. Overall system design is important. Not just big omnis and amps Maybe I need to get out there and do some consulting work again? sheesh Who's been teaching people for the last 2 or 3 years? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations 10 is a dream... I know. But been thinking of going sector. Not many users there at the moment but replacing the antennas may be a good reason to upgrade the whole mess. Really only need a good 3 to 5 miles but further is always better for redundancy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations I wouldnt use an omni to go 10 miles. Why not sector? -RickG On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Would like to get 10 miles out of it for overlap but can go less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Recommendations How far do you need to go? -RickG On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm in need to replace some older Omni antennas, 2.4 and 5.8, to connect to a Mikrotik 600a. Running the R52H cards for both bands with a dish for the 5.8 backhaul.. I'm not in the mood to experiment with the unknown, any recommendations on what is working for you? And what doesn't! Land is flat, rural farmland, small scattering of trees. We're up 70 feet in this location. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
3.4xx has problems in AP mode, connections will degrade over time. I'm running 3.3.2 right now on all my UBNT AP's, it's stable, except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey) and the WPA settings bug, which I know about and avoid. Hit their forum's, they already have many reports about 3.4 performance degradation. Regards Michael Baird Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey) Are you sure that's a bug? How would an AP do a site survey while stay associated? I know MT is not capable of this. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: 3.4xx has problems in AP mode, connections will degrade over time. I'm running 3.3.2 right now on all my UBNT AP's, it's stable, except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey) and the WPA settings bug, which I know about and avoid. Hit their forum's, they already have many reports about 3.4 performance degradation. Regards Michael Baird Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
I agree with Josh if you are doing a site survey you will lose AP function. You are changing the state of the radio. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Hrm, maybe not, I thought I saw it was fixed somewhere, but I don't see it in the firmware revision history. Regards Michael Baird except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey) Are you sure that's a bug? How would an AP do a site survey while stay associated? I know MT is not capable of this. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: 3.4xx has problems in AP mode, connections will degrade over time. I'm running 3.3.2 right now on all my UBNT AP's, it's stable, except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey) and the WPA settings bug, which I know about and avoid. Hit their forum's, they already have many reports about 3.4 performance degradation. Regards Michael Baird Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Tranzeo gear supports 10mhz and 5mhz channels on their radios made in the last 2 years. I am using them in 10mhz channels talking to a Mikrotik AP and it works great! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the clients on the test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple tilt's as well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. Regards Michael Baird First thing that comes to my mind
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Sorry for highjacking the thread but I've got an NS2 I'm testing with a customer that is in router mode. The customer was complaining the connection keeps dropping out and I traced it back to DHCP. The NS2 logs showed it was continuously providing a new ip address to his router. Once I swithed to bridge mode the connection had been stable. Any ideas? -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:41 AM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
OpenWRT. :) I refuse to run stock firmware on my wifi gear. Roll my own image. http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/ is very cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Josh Luthman wrote: If I have a bug and need a fix I like holding someone responsible, for business. Yeah that's great if they actually fix the bug in a timely manner. I love being able to pick up the phone, or jump on IRC and have a dev respond within hours. Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running custom openwrt not a bad combination. For personal stuff, I agree - homebrew all the way! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote: OpenWRT. :) I refuse to run stock firmware on my wifi gear. Roll my own image. http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/ is very cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
I'm not sure that would offer total immunity from the manufacturer. I know from rolling some of my own firmware for the NS that some projects start with some code from the manufacturer's SDK and build upon that. I'm a bit surprised UBNT doesn't move a little faster on resolving some of these bugs. Greg On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: OpenWRT. :) I refuse to run stock firmware on my wifi gear. Roll my own image. http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/ is very cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
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Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running custom openwrt not a bad combination. What? Is there a custom openwrt from Berkely that supports TDMA? Please clarify. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it cloaking instead of small channels. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he calls it channel cloaking. Regards Michael Baird StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. The previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the Teletronics 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db at 6. They are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the VSWR is because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. The
Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch..
Not outdoor rated but alot less expensive. http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5eq=Tp= eq=Tp= Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Just bumped into this LPS1000 unit, could replace my Tripplite PDU's with it, but it cost 2x+$100 as much as the tripplite PDU's. Anything else out there like it, 5 POE ports is perfect, but $699 is too much. Regards Michael Baird It's an oudoor unit Brad. You don't even need an electrical box on the tower for this unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. This is an interesting product. Amazing nobody else has produced something like it yet. Too bad it only has five ports...eight or sixteen would be much more desirable. Or even better would be a 2U rack mount device with 24 RJ45 ports. 12 ports for the Data IN and 12 ports for the Data Power OUT. Each port would be software configurable for voltage/polarity and provide up to 1200mA @ 24VDC per port. Voltage options would be 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC and standard 802.3af. It would include Auto Ping and remote management. This would not be a switch, but simply a multi-port DC injector with multi-voltage/polarity support and remote management. Throw redundant power supplies into this device and you'd have a winner IMO. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Cheaper than all of the parts separately. It'll also do auto reboots! This is a VERY clever unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. $700 no thanks Its called a RB450G for $150 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Found this nice outdoor switch, multi power POE capable Nice for small pops anyone used it? http://www.inscapedata.com/pdf/LPS1000.pdf Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Jayson Baker wrote: Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running custom openwrt not a bad combination. What? Is there a custom openwrt from Berkely that supports TDMA? Please clarify. http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/wiki/Wireless http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tierlinux Actually it's an x86 distribution. Though... wrt were used... details at http://www.wilac.net/descargas/documentos/EnlaceAguila_Baul.pdf I have yet to test on the UBNT. Plan to soon. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) Tranzeo Ubiquiti But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it cloaking instead of small channels. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he calls it channel cloaking. Regards Michael Baird StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters,
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Jayson Baker wrote: Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running custom openwrt not a bad combination. Actually http://www.ab9il.net/wlan-projects/wifi1.html is a better page. Just search for 279km wireless link WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only listen to 5 or 10MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) Tranzeo Ubiquiti But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it cloaking instead of small channels. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he calls it channel cloaking. Regards Michael Baird StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
What about Prism cards? How does one know the generation of card? On 7/1/09, e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp-router.com wrote: All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only listen to 5 or 10MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) Tranzeo Ubiquiti But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it cloaking instead of small channels. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he calls it channel cloaking. Regards Michael Baird StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: WRAP/StarOSv2 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my to do list! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
What cards are 4th generation and which ones are 6th? How do you tell which is which? e...@wisp-router.com wrote: All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only listen to 5 or 10MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) Tranzeo Ubiquiti But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ng S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Seem my previous post. SR2/5/9 cards are 4th XR2/5/9 are 6th CM9 4th NMP8602 6th What I recall of top of my head. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:37:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance What cards are 4th generation and which ones are 6th? How do you tell which is which? e...@wisp-router.com wrote: All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only listen to 5 or 10MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) Tranzeo Ubiquiti But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ng S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Sheeesh! Keep us posted.. I had no issue with the 3.1.1 firmware but that 3.3 was a nightmare. Took all the Ubiquiti radios to the 3.3, well, at least I TRIED, they seemed to lock up all the time while configuring and I had to TFTP one of the PowerStation2's just to bring it back to life. Was glad to see the 3.4rc and had no issue with it and as of yet, no issues that I know of with the release version but now that you have sounded the alarm I'm gonna look close for any weirdness. Hopefully it's just an isolated problem. Again, let us know the outcome of this. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch..
That unit looks to be only 802.3af, but we have all of passive PoE devices that are not 802.3af compliant, so it wouldn't work. Would love a StarOS / Mikrotik version of this... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Not outdoor rated but alot less expensive. http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5eq=Tp= eq=Tp= Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Just bumped into this LPS1000 unit, could replace my Tripplite PDU's with it, but it cost 2x+$100 as much as the tripplite PDU's. Anything else out there like it, 5 POE ports is perfect, but $699 is too much. Regards Michael Baird It's an oudoor unit Brad. You don't even need an electrical box on the tower for this unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. This is an interesting product. Amazing nobody else has produced something like it yet. Too bad it only has five ports...eight or sixteen would be much more desirable. Or even better would be a 2U rack mount device with 24 RJ45 ports. 12 ports for the Data IN and 12 ports for the Data Power OUT. Each port would be software configurable for voltage/polarity and provide up to 1200mA @ 24VDC per port. Voltage options would be 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC and standard 802.3af. It would include Auto Ping and remote management. This would not be a switch, but simply a multi-port DC injector with multi-voltage/polarity support and remote management. Throw redundant power supplies into this device and you'd have a winner IMO. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Cheaper than all of the parts separately. It'll also do auto reboots! This is a VERY clever unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. $700 no thanks Its called a RB450G for $150 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Found this nice outdoor switch, multi power POE capable Nice for small pops anyone used it? http://www.inscapedata.com/pdf/LPS1000.pdf Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch..
It's not managed either, I want to be able to use the ethernet/poe switch to recycle AP's like a PDU. Regards Michael Baird That unit looks to be only 802.3af, but we have all of passive PoE devices that are not 802.3af compliant, so it wouldn't work. Would love a StarOS / Mikrotik version of this... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Not outdoor rated but alot less expensive. http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5 http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5eq=Tp= eq=Tp= Scott -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Just bumped into this LPS1000 unit, could replace my Tripplite PDU's with it, but it cost 2x+$100 as much as the tripplite PDU's. Anything else out there like it, 5 POE ports is perfect, but $699 is too much. Regards Michael Baird It's an oudoor unit Brad. You don't even need an electrical box on the tower for this unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. This is an interesting product. Amazing nobody else has produced something like it yet. Too bad it only has five ports...eight or sixteen would be much more desirable. Or even better would be a 2U rack mount device with 24 RJ45 ports. 12 ports for the Data IN and 12 ports for the Data Power OUT. Each port would be software configurable for voltage/polarity and provide up to 1200mA @ 24VDC per port. Voltage options would be 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC and standard 802.3af. It would include Auto Ping and remote management. This would not be a switch, but simply a multi-port DC injector with multi-voltage/polarity support and remote management. Throw redundant power supplies into this device and you'd have a winner IMO. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Cheaper than all of the parts separately. It'll also do auto reboots! This is a VERY clever unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. $700 no thanks Its called a RB450G for $150 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Found this nice outdoor switch, multi power POE capable Nice for small pops anyone used it? http://www.inscapedata.com/pdf/LPS1000.pdf Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as older tranzeo. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
I'd upgrade, and start there. If I remember right, there were a lot of routing changes in 3.x. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Is it possible to do a virtual ap in Mikrotik that uses the smaller channels so I can put new subs on that? Brian Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Tranzeo gear supports 10mhz and 5mhz channels on their radios made in the last 2 years. I am using them in 10mhz channels talking to a Mikrotik AP and it works great! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my "to do list"! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Michael Baird" m...@tc3net.com To: "WISPA General List"
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Deliberant 2.4 gear supports 5/10/20 mhz channel widths. Demarc supports it on their mini-pci cards, I would suppose they support it on their AP/CPE's also. Yes, older non-atheros tranzeo's don't support it, lots of old gear doesn't support 802.11g either. Regards Michael Baird I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as older tranzeo. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
Nothing associated on the Virtual. The propagation was back out via the wire interface. I would not think it should matter if anything is connected. The interface is active, it has an address. That address range should be propagated by OSPF. I will be at the site tomorrow. I will connect to the VirtualAP and see if that matters. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
If nothing was associated to the virtual AP then I'm thinking Dennis' idea is right - it has no reason to propagate information to an interface that is unplugged. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Nothing associated on the Virtual. The propagation was back out via the wire interface. I would not think it should matter if anything is connected. The interface is active, it has an address. That address range should be propagated by OSPF. I will be at the site tomorrow. I will connect to the VirtualAP and see if that matters. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com /* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
Maybe. I will definitely try tomorrow at the site. I just tried on a wired interface that has nothing connected. Rather interesting. If the interface is enabled, it immediately propagates the route. If it is disabled when the address is moved it does not propagate. Leads me to believe when I associate to the VAP, it will make the route propagate. Thanks to both of you for the responses. Josh Luthman wrote: If nothing was associated to the virtual AP then I'm thinking Dennis' idea is right - it has no reason to propagate information to an interface that is unplugged. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Nothing associated on the Virtual. The propagation was back out via the wire interface. I would not think it should matter if anything is connected. The interface is active, it has an address. That address range should be propagated by OSPF. I will be at the site tomorrow. I will connect to the VirtualAP and see if that matters. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com /* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
It was all Dennis :) On 7/1/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Maybe. I will definitely try tomorrow at the site. I just tried on a wired interface that has nothing connected. Rather interesting. If the interface is enabled, it immediately propagates the route. If it is disabled when the address is moved it does not propagate. Leads me to believe when I associate to the VAP, it will make the route propagate. Thanks to both of you for the responses. Josh Luthman wrote: If nothing was associated to the virtual AP then I'm thinking Dennis' idea is right - it has no reason to propagate information to an interface that is unplugged. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Nothing associated on the Virtual. The propagation was back out via the wire interface. I would not think it should matter if anything is connected. The interface is active, it has an address. That address range should be propagated by OSPF. I will be at the site tomorrow. I will connect to the VirtualAP and see if that matters. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com /* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 /
Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff
I don't know about those, but Frontbridge got blacklisted once and they are an anti-spam provider John George Rogato wrote: How come Google, Yahoo, and Live.com don't get black listed. I'm pretty sure 1 million times more spam comes out of those domains than any small independent isp's ... Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, What are you guys doing for email these days? I LOVE my setup for it's reliability, ease of use etc. Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though. We don't catch things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed. This has now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years. My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to limit cc's to 25 per message. We did that once before and my phone rang off the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends. The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply address. So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not even mine (faked info). sigh We use Courier MTA. My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day per user. And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of messages received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all those sending. Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from the server admins. Suggestions? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff
http://www.mxlogic.com/services/email-filtering/index.cfm they have done good by us. John George Rogato wrote: Wonder how much it is. Says it's based on qty of email addresses. RickG wrote: Cost? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Pat O'Connorp...@inlandnet.com wrote: We're switching to this over this weekend. http://www.redcondor.com/products/appliances.htm rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things I've done in the spam war is to use something called ASSP, which is just Anti Spam SMTP Proxy. It does a passable job of prevening inbound spam, and it prevents anyone not on my network from sending mail out through my server, via firewall rules put on the server. You can use a similar setup to have your customer's emails filtered outbound through something like this.It can also be placed on alternate ports and using firewall rules, prevent any cust omer from sending mail directly out. I haven't needed to do that, at least not yet. ASSP, when run on the mail server machine itself, can also act as an authentication and filtering of outbound emails. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff Hi All, What are you guys doing for email these days? I LOVE my setup for it's reliability, ease of use etc. Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though. We don't catch things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed. This has now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years. My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to limit cc's to 25 per message. We did that once before and my phone rang off the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends. The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply address. So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not even mine (faked info). sigh We use Courier MTA. My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day per user. And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of messages received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all those sending. Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from the server admins. Suggestions? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Please show me where to setup 5/10 mhz channels on these five radios.. 2 of these don't even do G, so if they do 5 mhz channels, that is news to me. Deliberant 2100 Deliberant 2500 Demarc RWB-MCPE Demarc RWO Plus Demarc RWO Plus HPG Brian Michael Baird wrote: Deliberant 2.4 gear supports 5/10/20 mhz channel widths. Demarc supports it on their mini-pci cards, I would suppose they support it on their AP/CPE's also. Yes, older non-atheros tranzeo's don't support it, lots of old gear doesn't support 802.11g either. Regards Michael Baird I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as older tranzeo. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
If they are Atheros chipset based and don't do G then they are 2nd gen or older Atheros chip set radios and can not do it. 5/10Mhz option is first available with 4th gen Atheros chip set and not a option on any radio that don't do G because the signaling using is G based in 5/10MHz mode. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:41:24 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Current gear, plenty of old stuff doesn't support it, as I mentioned in the post you are responding to. Regards Michael Baird Please show me where to setup 5/10 mhz channels on these five radios.. 2 of these don't even do G, so if they do 5 mhz channels, that is news to me. Deliberant 2100 Deliberant 2500 Demarc RWB-MCPE Demarc RWO Plus Demarc RWO Plus HPG Brian Michael Baird wrote: Deliberant 2.4 gear supports 5/10/20 mhz channel widths. Demarc supports it on their mini-pci cards, I would suppose they support it on their AP/CPE's also. Yes, older non-atheros tranzeo's don't support it, lots of old gear doesn't support 802.11g either. Regards Michael Baird I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as older tranzeo. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WE HAVE NOFA
With more strings than an orchestra! -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: http://is.gd/1ktef WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Same IP. Rather than cause the customer issues, I went for the sure thing and bridged it. I'll bench test another unit and see how it does. -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The DHCP provided by the NS2 was providing different IPs? I couldn't find a way to set a static lease in my NS2 at 3.4, but that's the first thing I would try. You could just have the customer set their IP static. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for highjacking the thread but I've got an NS2 I'm testing with a customer that is in router mode. The customer was complaining the connection keeps dropping out and I traced it back to DHCP. The NS2 logs showed it was continuously providing a new ip address to his router. Once I swithed to bridge mode the connection had been stable. Any ideas? -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:41 AM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it was v2.???) was unstable but once I upgraded to v3.4rc all was good. Then the night before last the wireless signal was on and off every 15 minutes or so. I checked the ethernet connections, power supply voltage, and all was good but it just kept rebooting. I reflashed the latest firmware and still had the same problem. So for a test I backed down to v3.1.1 and all is good and it's been up for 19 hours. I started a ticket with Ubnt but haven't heard back yet. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
Ubiquiti's OS is supposed to be good stuff. I do like the look feel. For support, warranty, and other reasons, you really should stick with what comes on the box. -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote: OpenWRT. :) I refuse to run stock firmware on my wifi gear. Roll my own image. http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/ is very cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problem with an NS2 running the latest firmware
I also wish they would move faster on RMA's! Their return process is not very good and you cant reach them by phone. -RickG On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:31 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that would offer total immunity from the manufacturer. I know from rolling some of my own firmware for the NS that some projects start with some code from the manufacturer's SDK and build upon that. I'm a bit surprised UBNT doesn't move a little faster on resolving some of these bugs. Greg On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: OpenWRT. :) I refuse to run stock firmware on my wifi gear. Roll my own image. http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/ is very cool. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
