Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
If you go to dansguardian.org, they have links to their commercial version. These folks are also the folks that produce the smoothwall firewall system and they have a setup called schoolguard as well as preconfigured appliances. --Curtis Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: I have to agree. It seem that these hardware boxes that try to do 'all in one' services (Routing, NAT, Firewall, AV, Content-Filtering, Spam)... seem to fall on their face. I know of a consultant buddy of mine who implemented it, and hated every second of it. He is still cursing at it when it fails (AD Connector stops working requiring manual resets of the box, etc,). -IL os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I had some very bad experiences with SonicWall and their service/ support. For one thing their basic content filter package was useless because it did not block proxy sites. They expected us to pay hundreds more a year for their premium filter package just to get the functionality of their basic package to work. Discussions with customer service/tech support fell on deaf ears. There were heated discussions on the forum (everyone was fed up with SonicWall) but SonicWall wouldn't budge. We got a little response from them when I suggested to the forum that perhaps this topic would be a good start for a class action lawsuit. I was using one of their lowest end products at the time so maybe they give better support for their higher end products. However I would never use SonicWall again. There's many other competitors out there. There's a few products which I don't recall the name of but they're specifically geared to scholastic/library settings. For our filtering needs we switched to Untangle. Another we used and liked was Astaro. Greg On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Sonicwall has some outstanding products as far as an all-in-one appliance for firewall, content filtering, spam, virus, etc etc. I have one in place for a school and our local library. Make sure you get one with enough horse-power. A small school may work fine with a TZ-200 or TZ-190, but you get very large, and you will quickly end up needing more than that. Be glad to quote you out one if you needed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up
Back in the day, we used to pay $1-12000 for VCR sized rackmount boxes to handle dialup users at $20/month. At $5/month, the economics are great for backup infrastructure, assuming a $1000 box of computer parts and hard drives can handle the same quantity of customers. It's the tech support that is tough. I can't see how to make money providing customer support from helpful and smart humans for $5/month, and backup is easily as confusing as dialup if not more so. The customer must understand concepts instead of memorizing the steps needed to get connected. We offer backup, but not that cheap. Most of our business comes from a computer shop we work with who chooses online backup for customers when appropriate. If you have a computer shop along with your WISP, you could probably do well with it. Otherwise, it's a hard sell to make people worry about their data until they lose it, especially for residential use. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:22:24PM -0700, John Thomas wrote: Are you willing to setup a server for their backups? For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your upstream bandwidth. John Mike wrote: In my heart, I know you are right. The nature of our business is we buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't afford to buy dedicated bandwidth. We factor an oversubscription rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share the bandwidth. If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 kbps connection for days on end, then I would. But the economics are I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional. So a person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and I've seen them surge way over that. So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious resource. Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more. I'm sure you get the point. I do have a Netequalizer in place with fairness rules that will penalize those packets, because they are long duration IF and when the network gets near capacity. So, they get penalized, and grandma downloading pictures from her grand kids also gets penalized, even though her use is bursty and infrequent, just because there is not enough overhead on the pipe BECAUSE of the long duration back-up users. Without the Netequalizer, just a few of these users would bring my network to its knees. I am beginning to think Mosy and their ilk belong in the same camp as Netflix and the P2Pers. Mike At 05:51 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote: Mike wrote: Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth for hours on end with no compensation. You are getting compensated, by your customer, so now it isn't really your bandwidth, but theirs. The customer is paying you to transport data, be it pictures of kittens, a HDD backup, or something else. If the terms of your contract are such that you can't support this usage, then you should probably look at changing the terms of the contract. However, I would think that it would be pretty easy to look at the flows and put throttling rules in place that limit Carbonite/Mozy/xyz traffic when there is congestion. Josh -- Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com http://www.joshcheney.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and
Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up
Yes, those Livingston Portmasters? Expensive, but great boxes. -RickG On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, jpj...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Back in the day, we used to pay $1-12000 for VCR sized rackmount boxes to handle dialup users at $20/month. At $5/month, the economics are great for backup infrastructure, assuming a $1000 box of computer parts and hard drives can handle the same quantity of customers. It's the tech support that is tough. I can't see how to make money providing customer support from helpful and smart humans for $5/month, and backup is easily as confusing as dialup if not more so. The customer must understand concepts instead of memorizing the steps needed to get connected. We offer backup, but not that cheap. Most of our business comes from a computer shop we work with who chooses online backup for customers when appropriate. If you have a computer shop along with your WISP, you could probably do well with it. Otherwise, it's a hard sell to make people worry about their data until they lose it, especially for residential use. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:22:24PM -0700, John Thomas wrote: Are you willing to setup a server for their backups? For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your upstream bandwidth. John Mike wrote: In my heart, I know you are right. The nature of our business is we buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't afford to buy dedicated bandwidth. We factor an oversubscription rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share the bandwidth. If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 kbps connection for days on end, then I would. But the economics are I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional. So a person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and I've seen them surge way over that. So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious resource. Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more. I'm sure you get the point. I do have a Netequalizer in place with fairness rules that will penalize those packets, because they are long duration IF and when the network gets near capacity. So, they get penalized, and grandma downloading pictures from her grand kids also gets penalized, even though her use is bursty and infrequent, just because there is not enough overhead on the pipe BECAUSE of the long duration back-up users. Without the Netequalizer, just a few of these users would bring my network to its knees. I am beginning to think Mosy and their ilk belong in the same camp as Netflix and the P2Pers. Mike At 05:51 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote: Mike wrote: Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth for hours on end with no compensation. You are getting compensated, by your customer, so now it isn't really your bandwidth, but theirs. The customer is paying you to transport data, be it pictures of kittens, a HDD backup, or something else. If the terms of your contract are such that you can't support this usage, then you should probably look at changing the terms of the contract. However, I would think that it would be pretty easy to look at the flows and put throttling rules in place that limit Carbonite/Mozy/xyz traffic when there is congestion. Josh -- Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com http://www.joshcheney.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast
[WISPA] Muni Broadband - Was: On-line back-up
Your post reminded me of a current situation I have. Basically, I was slated to get the rights to a couple of water tanks in a nearby town. Recently, the major told me that he was going to provide FREE wireless access to his city (pop 1502). I told him it wont work unless he hit the lotto since the support costs will eat him up. So, he asked me what I would charge the city to maintain his wireless network. So, the question is: is anyone here doing this and what kind of costs should be considered. Obviously, the support is one of the largest costs of running a WISP. Thoughts? -RickG On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, jpj...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Back in the day, we used to pay $1-12000 for VCR sized rackmount boxes to handle dialup users at $20/month. At $5/month, the economics are great for backup infrastructure, assuming a $1000 box of computer parts and hard drives can handle the same quantity of customers. It's the tech support that is tough. I can't see how to make money providing customer support from helpful and smart humans for $5/month, and backup is easily as confusing as dialup if not more so. The customer must understand concepts instead of memorizing the steps needed to get connected. We offer backup, but not that cheap. Most of our business comes from a computer shop we work with who chooses online backup for customers when appropriate. If you have a computer shop along with your WISP, you could probably do well with it. Otherwise, it's a hard sell to make people worry about their data until they lose it, especially for residential use. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:22:24PM -0700, John Thomas wrote: Are you willing to setup a server for their backups? For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your upstream bandwidth. John Mike wrote: In my heart, I know you are right. The nature of our business is we buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't afford to buy dedicated bandwidth. We factor an oversubscription rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share the bandwidth. If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 kbps connection for days on end, then I would. But the economics are I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional. So a person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and I've seen them surge way over that. So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious resource. Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more. I'm sure you get the point. I do have a Netequalizer in place with fairness rules that will penalize those packets, because they are long duration IF and when the network gets near capacity. So, they get penalized, and grandma downloading pictures from her grand kids also gets penalized, even though her use is bursty and infrequent, just because there is not enough overhead on the pipe BECAUSE of the long duration back-up users. Without the Netequalizer, just a few of these users would bring my network to its knees. I am beginning to think Mosy and their ilk belong in the same camp as Netflix and the P2Pers. Mike At 05:51 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote: Mike wrote: Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth for hours on end with no compensation. You are getting compensated, by your customer, so now it isn't really your bandwidth, but theirs. The customer is paying you to transport data, be it pictures of kittens, a HDD backup, or something else. If the terms of your contract are such that you can't support this usage, then you should probably look at changing the terms of the contract. However, I would think that it would be pretty easy to look at the flows and put throttling rules in place that limit Carbonite/Mozy/xyz traffic when there is congestion. Josh -- Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com http://www.joshcheney.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Muni Broadband - Was: On-line back-up
All I can say is, Bandwidth is cheap, labor and time aren't. The problem is cheap equipment is expensive to maintain, and expensive equipment is cheap to maintain. Again, if not in control of the installation, design, and equipment selection, is it worth teh liabilty to flat rate a cost, to guarantee someone else's choices? Then you need to ask, what type and level of support is going to be expected? End user connecting and speed troubleshooting? Or fixing APs when they break? At the end of the day the best option is to convinece the tower owner to just give you the tower space free, and you do your thing as a commercial organization, and because your access to the tower will be free, you'll be able to offer more cost effective service to the subscribers via a discount of some sort. Or give a loss leader free service. For example 384k free, paid access for 2mbp, etc. If they still want to offer it to the public for free, and be in control of it Thdn you do it like Staff posiitioning. I can give you a Network engineer for $50k/year, and you have can have him for 40 hrs pper week, or I can give you a network engineer for 20 hrs per week at $30k per year, etc. If you demand better support, we'll add techs, etc.. If there is low usage, you'll downgrade the number of hours needed. Or if out sources, thats $2 per month per user. So 1500 people time.= $3000/mon or $36000 per year. Then you can get realistic about how many people will really be able to be served closer to 100? :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Muni Broadband - Was: On-line back-up Your post reminded me of a current situation I have. Basically, I was slated to get the rights to a couple of water tanks in a nearby town. Recently, the major told me that he was going to provide FREE wireless access to his city (pop 1502). I told him it wont work unless he hit the lotto since the support costs will eat him up. So, he asked me what I would charge the city to maintain his wireless network. So, the question is: is anyone here doing this and what kind of costs should be considered. Obviously, the support is one of the largest costs of running a WISP. Thoughts? -RickG On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, jpj...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Back in the day, we used to pay $1-12000 for VCR sized rackmount boxes to handle dialup users at $20/month. At $5/month, the economics are great for backup infrastructure, assuming a $1000 box of computer parts and hard drives can handle the same quantity of customers. It's the tech support that is tough. I can't see how to make money providing customer support from helpful and smart humans for $5/month, and backup is easily as confusing as dialup if not more so. The customer must understand concepts instead of memorizing the steps needed to get connected. We offer backup, but not that cheap. Most of our business comes from a computer shop we work with who chooses online backup for customers when appropriate. If you have a computer shop along with your WISP, you could probably do well with it. Otherwise, it's a hard sell to make people worry about their data until they lose it, especially for residential use. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:22:24PM -0700, John Thomas wrote: Are you willing to setup a server for their backups? For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your upstream bandwidth. John Mike wrote: In my heart, I know you are right. The nature of our business is we buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't afford to buy dedicated bandwidth. We factor an oversubscription rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share the bandwidth. If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 kbps connection for days on end, then I would. But the economics are I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional. So a person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and I've seen them surge way over that. So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious resource. Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more. I'm sure you get the point. I do have a Netequalizer in place with fairness rules that will penalize those packets, because they are long duration IF and when the network gets near capacity. So, they get penalized, and grandma downloading pictures from her grand kids also gets penalized, even though her use is bursty and infrequent, just because there is not enough
Re: [WISPA] 2.3GHz Hpol Sector?
If you can't find one and REALLY have to have one, hit me offlist. Cameron Jayson Baker wrote: I know PacWireless has a 2.3GHz sector for Vpol, but we have an application where Hpol is required. Anyone aware of such a thing? Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Slander only applies if it is untrue. Stating a fact, regardless of how embarrassing it is would not be slander. When your bank places a foreclosure notice on your house because you haven't paid your mortgage you don't get to sue. As was stated earlier, dish network certainly doesn't have a problem pasting notices on your TV's about paying your bill. The water company and power companies don't mind red tagging your meters. I don't think there is any problem with redirecting the service to a payment site. If the account is past due it is past due. I'd rather have whoever is using the system know that rather than having them think the service isn't working because of something we did. Cameron Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of the envelope is indicative of some situation. Nevertheless, the legal rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it. When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a hot head may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event). If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange confidential information. If you can get them to call, that's OK (...can I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?). Creating a gated garden which allows an immediate click-to-restore but states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc., there is no jeopardy. And, that screen can come more and more frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call. ...just a further thought. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally. Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay your bill page until paid. I hope that explains it better.
Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
We do this all of the time, and out of the hundreds of WISPs and ISPs I have never heard of anyone getting sued over it. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Slander only applies if it is untrue. Stating a fact, regardless of how embarrassing it is would not be slander. When your bank places a foreclosure notice on your house because you haven't paid your mortgage you don't get to sue. As was stated earlier, dish network certainly doesn't have a problem pasting notices on your TV's about paying your bill. The water company and power companies don't mind red tagging your meters. I don't think there is any problem with redirecting the service to a payment site. If the account is past due it is past due. I'd rather have whoever is using the system know that rather than having them think the service isn't working because of something we did. Cameron Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of the envelope is indicative of some situation. Nevertheless, the legal rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it. When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a hot head may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event). If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange confidential information. If you can get them to call, that's OK (...can I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?). Creating a gated garden which allows an immediate click-to-restore but states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc., there is no jeopardy. And, that screen can come more and more frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call. ...just a further thought. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
On Aug 14, 2009, at 2:27 PM, ccrum wrote: Slander only applies if it is untrue. Stating a fact, regardless of how embarrassing it is would not be slander. When your bank places a foreclosure notice on your house because you haven't paid your mortgage you don't get to sue. That isn't true. You can *always* sue. The problem with a potential slander claim is, you still have to go to court. You're not likely to get it tossed without a hearing. I'm with you that you'd almost certainly win, but it's a mistake to think you can't be sued. Chuck As was stated earlier, dish network certainly doesn't have a problem pasting notices on your TV's about paying your bill. The water company and power companies don't mind red tagging your meters. I don't think there is any problem with redirecting the service to a payment site. If the account is past due it is past due. I'd rather have whoever is using the system know that rather than having them think the service isn't working because of something we did. Cameron Jonathan Schmidt wrote: Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of the envelope is indicative of some situation. Nevertheless, the legal rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it. When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a hot head may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event). If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange confidential information. If you can get them to call, that's OK (...can I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?). Creating a gated garden which allows an immediate click-to- restore but states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc., there is no jeopardy. And, that screen can come more and more frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call. ...just a further thought. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect You're correct with the liability thing... it sucks that people sue over such petty things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect There is some potential liability in this. You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially accidentally) using it. In any case, you could be slandering the subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people. It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their subscription. It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a real deadbeat. Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to never do business with that company again. What you need to do is talk with them without slandering them. ...just a thought... . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, You didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web surfing will be available again. Email still works, etc... We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the know that they are behind and
Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up
Marlon, Are you actively marketing it? We have been contemplating a backup service as well. Bob Elliott Information Systems RCS Communications 502.587.7384 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up We don't promise the integrity of the data. It's a BACKUP. Chances are slim that we AND they will loose it at the same time though. Our goal is to get a couple of servers built and put a few TB of storage in them. But so far we don't even need gigs of space... shrug marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up On that note, I do percieve you will see more ISP's start their own competitive services like online backup, etc. I wonder if the companies will ever get smart and offer to pay ISP's to install mirrored servers on their network? -RickG On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We have an online backup program. It hasn't been very popular yet. We also bill per bit. Let them do those huge backups. I make money on them too! grin If they do the backups on MY system they do NOT pay the per bit fees. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] On-line back-up Is anybody doing anything about the on-line back-up programs like Mosy and Carbonite? I tend to think it's a good use of technology, but some users seem to back-up their entire hard drives and use half a meg for hours and days until it's done. Is that the intent, entire drive? Or do I have a bunch of unsophisticated users? Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth for hours on end with no compensation. Mike - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings. Since you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that DNS server. So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP. -IL Josh Luthman wrote: I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
Kinda what I was thinking was that if they wanted to utilize the filtering then we would assign them DNS servers specific for OpenDNS, otherwise, they would get normal service. This could easily be done at the CPE / Authentication level with PPPoE. Now, the issue would be like Josh mentioned, if they had manual DNS servers configured in their computer. We would definitely have to intercept that traffic and redirect all DNS queries to the OpenDNS servers. Just a thought. I have, in the past, had clients request this service. Been awhile but thought that could be one more value-add that we could have in the box to help bring a little more revenue in. Anyone used Untangle in an app like this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings. Since you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that DNS server. So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP. -IL Josh Luthman wrote: I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content FilterSuggestion for School
...but, so many links are IP addresses instead of host name/header, I'm curious how a DNS involvement would do anything. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content FilterSuggestion for School I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
I haven't used untangle. I think one way to do this is to redirect to the proper server based on customer IP, etc. Thinking Mikrotik, because that is what I use, redirecting all of a customer's DNS request to the proper internal server would be an easy firewall rule. The internal server, which could be a really small box doing DNS caching only, would have an address that OpenDNS knows and therefore OpenDNS would return the proper thing for that customer. Only problem I see with this right now is the need for one server per filtering setup. It does eliminate the need for all customers to have public addresses. Only the internal servers need that. Makes changing a customers rule set as easy as changing the redirect. Jason Hensley wrote: Kinda what I was thinking was that if they wanted to utilize the filtering then we would assign them DNS servers specific for OpenDNS, otherwise, they would get normal service. This could easily be done at the CPE / Authentication level with PPPoE. Now, the issue would be like Josh mentioned, if they had manual DNS servers configured in their computer. We would definitely have to intercept that traffic and redirect all DNS queries to the OpenDNS servers. Just a thought. I have, in the past, had clients request this service. Been awhile but thought that could be one more value-add that we could have in the box to help bring a little more revenue in. Anyone used Untangle in an app like this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings. Since you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that DNS server. So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP. -IL Josh Luthman wrote: I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
I would think OpenDNS could serve different info based on source address. I never used OpenDNS but understand it's pretty powerful and flexible. With BIND which I used for many many years you can setup different service rules based on source address. This way you can for example prevent pollution of your domain in public with private ip addresses or even allow a private address to be returned to your internal network and provide a public ip to the rest of the internet. There is no limit as far as I know to setup other zones. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School I haven't used untangle. I think one way to do this is to redirect to the proper server based on customer IP, etc. Thinking Mikrotik, because that is what I use, redirecting all of a customer's DNS request to the proper internal server would be an easy firewall rule. The internal server, which could be a really small box doing DNS caching only, would have an address that OpenDNS knows and therefore OpenDNS would return the proper thing for that customer. Only problem I see with this right now is the need for one server per filtering setup. It does eliminate the need for all customers to have public addresses. Only the internal servers need that. Makes changing a customers rule set as easy as changing the redirect. Jason Hensley wrote: Kinda what I was thinking was that if they wanted to utilize the filtering then we would assign them DNS servers specific for OpenDNS, otherwise, they would get normal service. This could easily be done at the CPE / Authentication level with PPPoE. Now, the issue would be like Josh mentioned, if they had manual DNS servers configured in their computer. We would definitely have to intercept that traffic and redirect all DNS queries to the OpenDNS servers. Just a thought. I have, in the past, had clients request this service. Been awhile but thought that could be one more value-add that we could have in the box to help bring a little more revenue in. Anyone used Untangle in an app like this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings. Since you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that DNS server. So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP. -IL Josh Luthman wrote: I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
But easily defeated. New proxies are popping up all the time. Kids can even set up their own at home for their own use. On Aug 14, 2009, at 1:59 PM, ccrum wrote: OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni Broadband - Was: On-line back-up
I knew I could count on Tom to reply with some good advise! I totally agree and fully intend on pushing in that direction. I'm just looking for alternative ideas in case I cant get the mayor to see things my way. Thanks! -RickG On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: All I can say is, Bandwidth is cheap, labor and time aren't. The problem is cheap equipment is expensive to maintain, and expensive equipment is cheap to maintain. Again, if not in control of the installation, design, and equipment selection, is it worth teh liabilty to flat rate a cost, to guarantee someone else's choices? Then you need to ask, what type and level of support is going to be expected? End user connecting and speed troubleshooting? Or fixing APs when they break? At the end of the day the best option is to convinece the tower owner to just give you the tower space free, and you do your thing as a commercial organization, and because your access to the tower will be free, you'll be able to offer more cost effective service to the subscribers via a discount of some sort. Or give a loss leader free service. For example 384k free, paid access for 2mbp, etc. If they still want to offer it to the public for free, and be in control of it Thdn you do it like Staff posiitioning. I can give you a Network engineer for $50k/year, and you have can have him for 40 hrs pper week, or I can give you a network engineer for 20 hrs per week at $30k per year, etc. If you demand better support, we'll add techs, etc.. If there is low usage, you'll downgrade the number of hours needed. Or if out sources, thats $2 per month per user. So 1500 people time.= $3000/mon or $36000 per year. Then you can get realistic about how many people will really be able to be served closer to 100? :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] Muni Broadband - Was: On-line back-up Your post reminded me of a current situation I have. Basically, I was slated to get the rights to a couple of water tanks in a nearby town. Recently, the major told me that he was going to provide FREE wireless access to his city (pop 1502). I told him it wont work unless he hit the lotto since the support costs will eat him up. So, he asked me what I would charge the city to maintain his wireless network. So, the question is: is anyone here doing this and what kind of costs should be considered. Obviously, the support is one of the largest costs of running a WISP. Thoughts? -RickG On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, jpj...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Back in the day, we used to pay $1-12000 for VCR sized rackmount boxes to handle dialup users at $20/month. At $5/month, the economics are great for backup infrastructure, assuming a $1000 box of computer parts and hard drives can handle the same quantity of customers. It's the tech support that is tough. I can't see how to make money providing customer support from helpful and smart humans for $5/month, and backup is easily as confusing as dialup if not more so. The customer must understand concepts instead of memorizing the steps needed to get connected. We offer backup, but not that cheap. Most of our business comes from a computer shop we work with who chooses online backup for customers when appropriate. If you have a computer shop along with your WISP, you could probably do well with it. Otherwise, it's a hard sell to make people worry about their data until they lose it, especially for residential use. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:22:24PM -0700, John Thomas wrote: Are you willing to setup a server for their backups? For home users, Mozy charges $4.95 per month. If you setup your own backup server, you would have the initial expense of a server with big drive space, but you could charge $4.95 and at least save money on your upstream bandwidth. John Mike wrote: In my heart, I know you are right. The nature of our business is we buy bandwidth wholesale, and then resell it to others who can't afford to buy dedicated bandwidth. We factor an oversubscription rate, and count on bursty, short lived traffic from users that share the bandwidth. If I could afford to add bandwidth so everybody could maintain a 500 kbps connection for days on end, then I would. But the economics are I pay $350.00 for my first MB and $250.00 for each additional. So a person using the system for backup is utilizing a $175.00 resource for $42.40 a month; IF the back-up software only uses 500 kbps, and I've seen them surge way over that. So, two people running Mosy hog a Meg or more of a precious resource. Four of them, and they've used a couple MB or more. I'm sure you get the point. I do have a Netequalizer in
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
I ran untangle on my test box for a few months. It was great except it kept locking up.Maybe they fixed that? Either way, Mikrotik kicks butt! -RickG On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: I haven't used untangle. I think one way to do this is to redirect to the proper server based on customer IP, etc. Thinking Mikrotik, because that is what I use, redirecting all of a customer's DNS request to the proper internal server would be an easy firewall rule. The internal server, which could be a really small box doing DNS caching only, would have an address that OpenDNS knows and therefore OpenDNS would return the proper thing for that customer. Only problem I see with this right now is the need for one server per filtering setup. It does eliminate the need for all customers to have public addresses. Only the internal servers need that. Makes changing a customers rule set as easy as changing the redirect. Jason Hensley wrote: Kinda what I was thinking was that if they wanted to utilize the filtering then we would assign them DNS servers specific for OpenDNS, otherwise, they would get normal service. This could easily be done at the CPE / Authentication level with PPPoE. Now, the issue would be like Josh mentioned, if they had manual DNS servers configured in their computer. We would definitely have to intercept that traffic and redirect all DNS queries to the OpenDNS servers. Just a thought. I have, in the past, had clients request this service. Been awhile but thought that could be one more value-add that we could have in the box to help bring a little more revenue in. Anyone used Untangle in an app like this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings. Since you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that DNS server. So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP. -IL Josh Luthman wrote: I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
