Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-08 Thread Blair Davis 




inline

Jack Unger wrote:

  
There's a difference between killing someone who shows you a weapon and
threatens your life versus someone who commits a felony on some remote
property. Hardly anyone (or any state) would deny you the ability to
use lethal force to defend your life. That's a lot different from
hunting down and killing someone who steals or destroys your property
at a remote location and is not threatening your life.
Not planning on hunting them down... objective is to capture and hold.

And this statement...
 A
remote crime
against property should be handled by the local law enforcement
authorities. 

...is a matter of political philosophy and personal opinion, not law.

I've been bugerlized.  The cops did nothing... I checked every pawn and
consignment shop in 50 miles... found my stuff...  got the perp's ID
and prints and gave them to the prosecuting attorney myself.

At any rate, discussions about killing are off-topic for this list. I'd
suggest that we all get back to work and stop bragging about killing
people. 

What bragging?

  
jack
  
  
Jayson Baker wrote:
  
This is also the case in Colorado.  I remember a couple years ago a guy came
to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them
a knife.  The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat.  He was
DOA when the cops got there.  She/they weren't charged at all.

Jayson

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  

  Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this
case) was committing any felonies.

Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property?

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On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:


  
 In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing
  
  
  or

  
attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased).

Jack Unger wrote:

Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the
  
  
  jury,

  
the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people.

Blair Davis wrote:

I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down,  I
will make holes in them.

.45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes...

whats mine is mine.

Travis Johnson wrote:

In my area... yes. Several Fish & Game officers have been shot by
hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People
get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone
being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we
just did" mode.

Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could
take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the
time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an
18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg
like butter.

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

2009-09-08 Thread Blair Davis 




I was in a hurry and used the term felony loosely.  Sorry about that.

I may defend my property against imminent destruction, i.e. someone
trying to burn it down, knock it down... ect.

If I shot a kid with a spray paint can, I'd have a problem in court. 
But if I shot a guy using a bulldozer to try and knock my house down,
I'd be clear.

Travis Johnson wrote:

  
So if a drug dealer is doing a "deal" on your property (100 pounds of
cocaine), you can shoot them? I highly doubt that.
  
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Blair Davis wrote:
  

In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing
or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased).

Jack Unger wrote:

  
Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the
jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people.
  
Blair Davis wrote:
  

I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down,  I
will make holes in them.

.45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes...

whats mine is mine.

Travis Johnson wrote:

  In my area... yes. Several Fish & Game officers have been shot by 
hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People 
get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone 
being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we 
just did" mode.

Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could 
take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the 
time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 
18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg 
like butter.

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism THREAD CLOSED

2009-09-08 Thread Rick Harnish 
This thread is closed.  Enough said.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism

 

I was in a hurry and used the term felony loosely.  Sorry about that.

I may defend my property against imminent destruction, i.e. someone trying
to burn it down, knock it down... ect.

If I shot a kid with a spray paint can, I'd have a problem in court.  But if
I shot a guy using a bulldozer to try and knock my house down, I'd be clear.

Travis Johnson wrote: 

So if a drug dealer is doing a "deal" on your property (100 pounds of
cocaine), you can shoot them? I highly doubt that.

Travis
Microserv

Blair Davis wrote: 

In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or
attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased).

Jack Unger wrote: 

Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury,
the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people.

Blair Davis wrote: 

I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down,  I will
make holes in them.

.45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes...

whats mine is mine.

Travis Johnson wrote: 

In my area... yes. Several Fish & Game officers have been shot by 
hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People 
get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone 
being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we 
just did" mode.
 
Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could 
take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the 
time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 
18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg 
like butter.
 
Travis
Microserv
 

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Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

2009-09-08 Thread Randy Cosby 
We have one running on a FreeBSD server.  I'll have to look at how Aaron 
set it up, but I'm sure there are plenty of software packages out there 
that can do this.  http://time.qnan.org/ is a linux example. 

Mikrotiks can also act as GPS NTP time servers using the optional NTP 
server package.

http://www.mikrotik.com/testdocs/ros/3.0/system/gps.php - synching with 
GPS time
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RickG wrote:
> Dont know the price but this is sweet -->
> http://www.ntp-time-server.com/time-servers/server-gps-clock.html
>
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Jayson Baker wrote:
>   
>> Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing
>> from GPS?
>>
>> I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

2009-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett 
Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed solution.


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> Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing
> from GPS?
>
> I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+.
>
> The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so 
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Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

2009-09-08 Thread Gino Villarini 
We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy

It has a built In Ntp server

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, "Mike Hammett"   
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> Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed  
> solution.
>
>
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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>
> --
> From: "Jayson Baker" 
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
>
>> Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains  
>> timing
>> from GPS?
>>
>> I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+.
>>
>> The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free  
>> -- so
>> one
>> could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that  
>> looks nice
>> in a rack.
>>
>> Jayson
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[WISPA] Got towers

2009-09-08 Thread Blake Bowers 
sites for just a small antenna.  They will need internet at the
sites, and would prefer someone local to install.




Danville,VA
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Asheville-Hendersonville,NC
 Charlotte-Gastonia,NC1 n 
Charlotte & 1 in Gastonia
 Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point,NC 1 site in Greensboro & 1 
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[WISPA] DSL service

2009-09-08 Thread Blake Bowers 
Need DSL or any kind of 1.5 to 3 meg pipe (with internet)
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Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

2009-09-08 Thread Jayson Baker 
Oh yeah, that's right, the MT will do that.

Ok - any suggestions on an decent GPS receiver that is outdoor/weatherproof
and has a serial connection?  I've found a bunch of USB, a couple that are
serial and meant to go in a car (cigarette lighter & mag mount), and even
more that aren't weatherproof.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy
>
> It has a built In Ntp server
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
>
> > Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed
> > solution.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Jayson Baker" 
> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
> >
> >> Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains
> >> timing
> >> from GPS?
> >>
> >> I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+.
> >>
> >> The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free
> >> -- so
> >> one
> >> could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that
> >> looks nice
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Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

2009-09-08 Thread Jayson Baker 
I discovered that somewhere along the lines, MT added support for USB-based
GPS.  So I bought a $15 outdoor USB GPS off eBay.  We'll see next week if it
works.  MT docs said as long as it supports NMEA output (which this one did)
it'd work.

We don't need accuracy down to the nanosecond, but within a second or two.
We provide services to the local E911 PSAP, and need to make certain our end
matches theirs for VoIP, log files, etc.  For this app, we don't want to
rely on Internet-based NTP servers, as some of our application is not tied
to the public Internet.

Jayson

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:21 PM, ralph  wrote:

> The last time I looked into this, the GPS had to be one that output a 1 pps
> signal, and most didn't.
> Of course times could have changed (pun intended) and this isn't a
> requirement any longer.
> The GPS-35 from Garmin may meet your specs, I think, if it's still made.
>
> And BTW- if you happen to have a Canopy CMM in your network, it also has
> the
> NTP server derived from GPS built in.
>
> Ralph
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jayson Baker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
>
> Oh yeah, that's right, the MT will do that.
>
> Ok - any suggestions on an decent GPS receiver that is outdoor/weatherproof
> and has a serial connection?  I've found a bunch of USB, a couple that are
> serial and meant to go in a car (cigarette lighter & mag mount), and even
> more that aren't weatherproof.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> > We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy
> >
> > It has a built In Ntp server
> >
> > Sent from my Motorola Startac...
> >
> >
> > On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed
> > > solution.
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > From: "Jayson Baker" 
> > > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
> > >
> > >> Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains
> > >> timing
> > >> from GPS?
> > >>
> > >> I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+.
> > >>
> > >> The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free
> > >> -- so
> > >> one
> > >> could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that
> > >> looks nice
> > >> in a rack.
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Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

2009-09-08 Thread ralph 
The last time I looked into this, the GPS had to be one that output a 1 pps
signal, and most didn't.
Of course times could have changed (pun intended) and this isn't a
requirement any longer.
The GPS-35 from Garmin may meet your specs, I think, if it's still made.

And BTW- if you happen to have a Canopy CMM in your network, it also has the
NTP server derived from GPS built in.

Ralph



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?

Oh yeah, that's right, the MT will do that.

Ok - any suggestions on an decent GPS receiver that is outdoor/weatherproof
and has a serial connection?  I've found a bunch of USB, a couple that are
serial and meant to go in a car (cigarette lighter & mag mount), and even
more that aren't weatherproof.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy
>
> It has a built In Ntp server
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
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> On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
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> > Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed
> > solution.
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> > -
> > Mike Hammett
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> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM
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> >> Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains
> >> timing
> >> from GPS?
> >>
> >> I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+.
> >>
> >> The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free
> >> -- so
> >> one
> >> could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that
> >> looks nice
> >> in a rack.
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[WISPA] AM radio tower

2009-09-08 Thread Michael Baird 
*I've recently been approached about expanding our service to an AM 
tower. We would be using 2.4 gear, what kind of problems would I need to 
watch out for when deploying on an AM tower. They said it was 
broadcasting at 1KW and the entire tower is hot. It is in a really good 
area, is a nice tower and the price is minimal, but I want to avoid as 
many service problems as possible by knowing what I'm getting into 
beforehand.

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Re: [WISPA] AM radio tower

2009-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman 
Any problems I expect will be ethernet related.  What frequency is the tower?

On 9/9/09, Michael Baird  wrote:
> *I've recently been approached about expanding our service to an AM
> tower. We would be using 2.4 gear, what kind of problems would I need to
> watch out for when deploying on an AM tower. They said it was
> broadcasting at 1KW and the entire tower is hot. It is in a really good
> area, is a nice tower and the price is minimal, but I want to avoid as
> many service problems as possible by knowing what I'm getting into
> beforehand.
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Re: [WISPA] AM radio tower

2009-09-08 Thread Israel Lopez-LISTS 
Michael,

If you get any responses off-list, I would be happy to hear.  I have a 
similar situation, but down in Honduras.  I posted nearly an exact 
question to yours, and the consensus was.

1) Install Noise Suppression, and Shielded Twisted Pair
2) Install only when the Tower is unpowered

In my situation we want to use the 1KW AM Radio because of how tall the 
tower is, our stuff is 2.4 as well but we plan on 5.8 soon.

-Israel

Michael Baird wrote:
> *I've recently been approached about expanding our service to an AM 
> tower. We would be using 2.4 gear, what kind of problems would I need to 
> watch out for when deploying on an AM tower. They said it was 
> broadcasting at 1KW and the entire tower is hot. It is in a really good 
> area, is a nice tower and the price is minimal, but I want to avoid as 
> many service problems as possible by knowing what I'm getting into 
> beforehand.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
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Re: [WISPA] AM radio tower

2009-09-08 Thread Paul Rice 
Tricky, but it's been done.

You'll have to insulate your installation of radios, cables and antennas.
and they will have to power down the tower while you install.

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Subject: [WISPA] AM radio tower

> *I've recently been approached about expanding our service to an AM
> tower. We would be using 2.4 gear, what kind of problems would I need to
> watch out for when deploying on an AM tower. They said it was
> broadcasting at 1KW and the entire tower is hot. It is in a really good
> area, is a nice tower and the price is minimal, but I want to avoid as
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