Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Tom Sharples]

A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. 
And SNMP has nothing to do with either.

Tom S.

  - Original Message - 
  From: jai...@budget.net 
  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?


  Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are 
either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your 
talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime 
but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to 
watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has 
a "Watchdog timer" in the software that will automatically reboot a device that 
fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In 
fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the 
packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a 
higher uptime than the core router.

  Jaimie 


  On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , "Tom Sharples" tsharp...@qorvus.com sent:

My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - 
little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a 
hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when 
you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port 
our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that 
project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the 
CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and 
unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP 
business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the 
CPE!

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?


> I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected
> things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off 
> is
> worth it, for me anyhow.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
>
> We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
> Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
> the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with
> CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our
> test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at
> how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
> stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
> just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
> good.
> On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
> I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
> for
> a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start
> reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the
> haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
> quality
> control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be
> interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> Thanks mg
>
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Re: [WISPA] public subnet

[RickG]

Ya, and further proof it should work is that it works at my office on the
same tower. I cant blame their cisco because I bypassed it with my laptop.
No proxy server. Everything goes through the RB450G. So, the only
differences are the WRAP on the tower and the CPE. I'll try the CPE next.
Will advise.

BTW: I agree with you on ICMP. I usually make them allow that, if they want
my help :)

Thanks! -RickG

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> Unless there is a rouge NAT statement someplace, I do not see anything
> specific that would be causing this (as described)
> What about a proxy server ? Are all connections heading out the NAT IP
> or only HTTP?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:40 AM, RickG  wrote:
> > The thing is they had a bridge from the other tower and it was working.
> The
> > only thing thats changed is the tower. RIP is on RB450G and WRAP's. Dont
> > know about Cisco as it is the customers and I dont have control. They
> also
> > have ICMP turned off amongst other things. Should I still see it?
>
> I would request that ICMP be allowed to your internal network at
> least. Personally, I control everything down to the ethernet
> port. Past that, its their ball (but mostly I handle the LAN too)
>
> >
> > Yes, NAT is being done from RB450G using 10.0.0.0/8.
> > Thanks! -RickG
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:08 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <
> > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Mmmm. bridging CPE, make sure its not proxy arping.
> >>
> >> Check your RIP, if its turned on, on both the wrap and Csico, should be
> >> seen.
> >>
> >> Where is the IP that is doing NAT located, on the RB450? The only way I
> had
> >> that
> >> work correctly was to drop all chain rules and tell NAT to source
> >> 10.0.0.0/8
> >> when going out dst interface. I have 2 routers at the core one for BGP &
> >> etc
> >> upstream, the other for NAT and in building hand-off (couple lans's and
> >> wireless, then the BH's to the rest of the network + the hotspot).
> >>
> >>
> >> RickG wrote:
> >> > I agree but traceroutes run perfectly. Just to be clear, here is the
> >> setup:
> >> > Inet->RB450G(Firewall)->WRAP/StarOS->CPE->Customer Device (Cisco).
> >> > The subnet is 204.62.63.76/30.
> >> > RB450G has the subnet defined in the filter rules as chain forward.
> >> > The wireless interface on the WRAP has 204.62.63.77 assigned.
> >> > The CPE is in bridge mode so its on a private IP.
> >> > The Cisco has 204.62.63.78 assigned to ether1.
> >> > All with a 255.255.255.252 subnet mask.
> >> > I tested with my laptop in place of the router.
> >> > One strange item I noticed. I'm running RIP and it does not see the
> WRAP
> >> > with 204.62.63.77 assigned.
> >> > Any other ideas?
> >> > -RickG
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <
> >> > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across
> my
> >> >> entire
> >> >> network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house
> >> NAT)
> >> >> I
> >> >> would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things
> start
> >> to
> >> >> look
> >> >> wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> RickG wrote:
> >> >>> OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a
> couple
> >> of
> >> >>> customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer
> tower.
> >> >>> Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at
> >> >>> whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the
> >> >>> net with the public
> >> >>> ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the
> same
> >> >> tower
> >> >>> although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the
> both
> >> >>> WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is
> running
> >> >>> 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and
> >> mine
> >> >> is
> >> >>> a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is
> >> that
> >> >>> the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops
> >> >> before.
> >> >>> Any thoughts?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[RickG]

To be fair, the only issues I've had is with NIB units. Once the unit is
installed and working, they've been very stable. -RickG

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts.
>
> My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something.  It might just be
> the dry air.
>
> Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the
> other mainstream CPE?  Seems to be a common thread here.
>
> I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I?
>
> Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2?
>
>
> mg
>
>
> At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
> >My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness -
> >little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
> >hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when
> >you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port
> >our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that
> >project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the
> >CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and
> >unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP
> >business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the
> >CPE!
> >
> >Tom S.
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Robert West" 
> >To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
> >Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
> >
> >
> > > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
> > > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade
> off
> > > is
> > > worth it, for me anyhow.
> > >
> > > Bob-
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
> > >
> > >
> > >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
> > > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
> > > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
> > > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
> > > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
> > > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
> > > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
> > > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
> > > good.
> > > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
> > > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
> > > for
> > > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> > > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> > > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> > > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> > > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
> > > quality
> > > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> > > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> > > Thanks mg
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[RickG]

lol! I'd say "you know what I meant" but then that would defeat the purpose
:)

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Robert West wrote:

> As in bigger than a Pico?  :)
>
> Or is that a Bullico?  Hmm...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
> Same here. For me, I am going to go slowly with a small project. Actually,
> I
> just did a small project with UBNT and it went well. So, the next project
> will be a bit bigger and so on. -RickG
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike  wrote:
>
> > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for
> > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> >
> > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality
> > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> >
> > Thanks mg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Snake Oil or Real?

[Josh Luthman]

Anything is possible...who though we'd land on a moon or communicate via
invisible waves of energy?

Having said that - I'll believe it when I see it =)

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Re: [WISPA] public subnet

[Jeromie Reeves]

Unless there is a rouge NAT statement someplace, I do not see anything
specific that would be causing this (as described)
What about a proxy server ? Are all connections heading out the NAT IP
or only HTTP?


On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:40 AM, RickG  wrote:
> The thing is they had a bridge from the other tower and it was working. The
> only thing thats changed is the tower. RIP is on RB450G and WRAP's. Dont
> know about Cisco as it is the customers and I dont have control. They also
> have ICMP turned off amongst other things. Should I still see it?

I would request that ICMP be allowed to your internal network at
least. Personally, I control everything down to the ethernet
port. Past that, its their ball (but mostly I handle the LAN too)

>
> Yes, NAT is being done from RB450G using 10.0.0.0/8.
> Thanks! -RickG
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:08 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <
> jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:
>
>> Mmmm. bridging CPE, make sure its not proxy arping.
>>
>> Check your RIP, if its turned on, on both the wrap and Csico, should be
>> seen.
>>
>> Where is the IP that is doing NAT located, on the RB450? The only way I had
>> that
>> work correctly was to drop all chain rules and tell NAT to source
>> 10.0.0.0/8
>> when going out dst interface. I have 2 routers at the core one for BGP &
>> etc
>> upstream, the other for NAT and in building hand-off (couple lans's and
>> wireless, then the BH's to the rest of the network + the hotspot).
>>
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>> > I agree but traceroutes run perfectly. Just to be clear, here is the
>> setup:
>> > Inet->RB450G(Firewall)->WRAP/StarOS->CPE->Customer Device (Cisco).
>> > The subnet is 204.62.63.76/30.
>> > RB450G has the subnet defined in the filter rules as chain forward.
>> > The wireless interface on the WRAP has 204.62.63.77 assigned.
>> > The CPE is in bridge mode so its on a private IP.
>> > The Cisco has 204.62.63.78 assigned to ether1.
>> > All with a 255.255.255.252 subnet mask.
>> > I tested with my laptop in place of the router.
>> > One strange item I noticed. I'm running RIP and it does not see the WRAP
>> > with 204.62.63.77 assigned.
>> > Any other ideas?
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <
>> > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across my
>> >> entire
>> >> network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house
>> NAT)
>> >> I
>> >> would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things start
>> to
>> >> look
>> >> wrong.
>> >>
>> >> RickG wrote:
>> >>> OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a couple
>> of
>> >>> customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer tower.
>> >>> Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at
>> >>> whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the
>> >>> net with the public
>> >>> ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the same
>> >> tower
>> >>> although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the both
>> >>> WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is running
>> >>> 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and
>> mine
>> >> is
>> >>> a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is
>> that
>> >>> the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops
>> >> before.
>> >>> Any thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>> -RickG
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[jaimie]

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12Well
Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me.
You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no
clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use
to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key
items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any
other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a "Watchdog
timer" in the software that will automatically reboot a device that
fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT
device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a
locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU
to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router.
 Jaimie 
 On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , "Tom Sharples" tsharp...@qorvus.com sent:
 My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical
robustness - 
 little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a

 hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp.
when 
 you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work
to port 
 our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf
that 
 project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down.
In the 
 CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment
and 
 unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the
ISP 
 business is a little different because the customer can always
reboot the 
 CPE!
 Tom S.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Robert West" 
 To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
 Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
 > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I
expected
 > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The
trade off 
 > is
 > worth it, for me anyhow.
 >
 > Bob-
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org [4]]
On
 > Behalf Of jai...@budget.net [5]
 > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
 > To: WISPA General List
 > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
 >
 >
 >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
 > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s
with
 > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles
with
 > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
 > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed
at
 > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
 > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem.
Probably
 > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
 > good.
 > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com [6] sent:
 > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
 > for
 > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
 > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
 > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
 > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
 > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
 > quality
 > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
 > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
 > Thanks mg
 >
 >

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Tom Sharples]

We use the pcengines Alix board and usually Wistron or Ubiquiti miniPCI 
radios. Generally that has been an extremely stable and reliable 
combination.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "Tom Sharples" ; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?


> Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts.
>
> My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something.  It might just be
> the dry air.
>
> Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the
> other mainstream CPE?  Seems to be a common thread here.
>
> I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I?
>
> Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2?
>
>
> mg
>
>
> At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
>>My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness -
>>little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
>>hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when
>>you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port
>>our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that
>>project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the
>>CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and
>>unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP
>>business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the
>>CPE!
>>
>>Tom S.
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Robert West" 
>>To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>>
>>
>> > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
>> > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade 
>> > off
>> > is
>> > worth it, for me anyhow.
>> >
>> > Bob-
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>> >
>> >
>> >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
>> > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
>> > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
>> > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
>> > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
>> > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
>> > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
>> > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
>> > good.
>> > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
>> > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
>> > for
>> > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
>> > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
>> > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
>> > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
>> > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
>> > quality
>> > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
>> > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
>> > Thanks mg
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Josh Luthman]

NS2s have been pretty good to me.

I've read about issues with the newer product line, but not tried them myself.

On 12/19/09, Philip Dorr  wrote:
> The rocket dish looks identical to a Pac wireless two foot dish
> painted white with a drain hole pre-drilled in the mounting ring and
> RP-SMA connectors on the fed horn;  Even the same ray dome fits it.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> I haven't had issues with reboots on the rockets but the bonus with them
>> is
>> they have a reset button on the PoE down on the ground for when I try
>> something stupid from the ground and I screw it up...  I was very glad
>> to see that.
>>
>> But yeah, you should feel okay about the Rockets and the sectors.  They
>> are
>> working fine and I'm sure once I learn how to tweak them a bit more they
>> will be perfect.  Hey, how else can you get a dual polarity 120 degree
>> 19dbi
>> sector with a MIMO radio attached for $238 bucks?  Just hang it and run
>> your
>> cat5.  Darn quick and the mounts are as robust as you would want.  We'll
>> see
>> how the rest of the unit shapes up after being up for a year. The Rocket
>> dish is also a good item. I have some on order, haven't played with it yet
>> but I looked one over, very good quality.
>>
>>  Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike
>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:41 PM
>> To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>>
>> Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts.
>>
>> My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something.  It might just be
>> the dry air.
>>
>> Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the
>> other mainstream CPE?  Seems to be a common thread here.
>>
>> I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I?
>>
>> Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2?
>>
>>
>> mg
>>
>>
>> At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
>>>My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness -
>>>little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
>>>hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when
>>>you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port
>>>our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that
>>>project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the
>>>CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and
>>>unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP
>>>business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the
>>>CPE!
>>>
>>>Tom S.
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Robert West" 
>>>To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>>>
>>>
>>> > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
>>> > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade
>> off
>>> > is
>>> > worth it, for me anyhow.
>>> >
>>> > Bob-
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> > Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
>>> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
>>> > To: WISPA General List
>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
>>> > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
>>> > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
>>> > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
>>> > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
>>> > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
>>> > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
>>> > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
>>> > good.
>>> > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
>>> > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
>>> > for
>>> > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
>>> > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
>>> > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
>>> > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
>>> > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
>>> > quality
>>> > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
>>> > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
>>> > Thanks mg
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>> 
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>>> > http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Philip Dorr]

The rocket dish looks identical to a Pac wireless two foot dish
painted white with a drain hole pre-drilled in the mounting ring and
RP-SMA connectors on the fed horn;  Even the same ray dome fits it.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> I haven't had issues with reboots on the rockets but the bonus with them is
> they have a reset button on the PoE down on the ground for when I try
> something stupid from the ground and I screw it up...  I was very glad
> to see that.
>
> But yeah, you should feel okay about the Rockets and the sectors.  They are
> working fine and I'm sure once I learn how to tweak them a bit more they
> will be perfect.  Hey, how else can you get a dual polarity 120 degree 19dbi
> sector with a MIMO radio attached for $238 bucks?  Just hang it and run your
> cat5.  Darn quick and the mounts are as robust as you would want.  We'll see
> how the rest of the unit shapes up after being up for a year. The Rocket
> dish is also a good item. I have some on order, haven't played with it yet
> but I looked one over, very good quality.
>
>  Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:41 PM
> To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
> Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts.
>
> My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something.  It might just be
> the dry air.
>
> Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the
> other mainstream CPE?  Seems to be a common thread here.
>
> I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I?
>
> Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2?
>
>
> mg
>
>
> At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
>>My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness -
>>little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
>>hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when
>>you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port
>>our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that
>>project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the
>>CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and
>>unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP
>>business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the
>>CPE!
>>
>>Tom S.
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Robert West" 
>>To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>>
>>
>> > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
>> > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade
> off
>> > is
>> > worth it, for me anyhow.
>> >
>> > Bob-
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>> >
>> >
>> >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
>> > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
>> > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
>> > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
>> > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
>> > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
>> > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
>> > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
>> > good.
>> > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
>> > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
>> > for
>> > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
>> > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
>> > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
>> > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
>> > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
>> > quality
>> > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
>> > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
>> > Thanks mg
>> >
>> >
>>
> 
>> > 
>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> > http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Robert West]

I haven't had issues with reboots on the rockets but the bonus with them is
they have a reset button on the PoE down on the ground for when I try
something stupid from the ground and I screw it up...  I was very glad
to see that.

But yeah, you should feel okay about the Rockets and the sectors.  They are
working fine and I'm sure once I learn how to tweak them a bit more they
will be perfect.  Hey, how else can you get a dual polarity 120 degree 19dbi
sector with a MIMO radio attached for $238 bucks?  Just hang it and run your
cat5.  Darn quick and the mounts are as robust as you would want.  We'll see
how the rest of the unit shapes up after being up for a year. The Rocket
dish is also a good item. I have some on order, haven't played with it yet
but I looked one over, very good quality.  

 Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:41 PM
To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts.

My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something.  It might just be 
the dry air.

Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the 
other mainstream CPE?  Seems to be a common thread here.

I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I?

Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2?


mg


At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
>My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness -
>little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
>hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when
>you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port
>our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that
>project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the
>CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and
>unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP
>business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the
>CPE!
>
>Tom S.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Robert West" 
>To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
>
> > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
> > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade
off
> > is
> > worth it, for me anyhow.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
> >
> >
> >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
> > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
> > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
> > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
> > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
> > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
> > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
> > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
> > good.
> > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
> > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
> > for
> > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
> > quality
> > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> > Thanks mg
> >
> > 
>

> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Robert West]

As in bigger than a Pico?  :)

Or is that a Bullico?  Hmm...



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

Same here. For me, I am going to go slowly with a small project. Actually, I
just did a small project with UBNT and it went well. So, the next project
will be a bit bigger and so on. -RickG

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike  wrote:

> I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for
> a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
>
> Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Mike]

Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts.

My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something.  It might just be 
the dry air.

Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the 
other mainstream CPE?  Seems to be a common thread here.

I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I?

Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2?


mg


At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote:
>My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness -
>little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
>hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when
>you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port
>our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that
>project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the
>CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and
>unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP
>business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the
>CPE!
>
>Tom S.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Robert West" 
>To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
>Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
>
> > I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
> > things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade off
> > is
> > worth it, for me anyhow.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
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> >
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> >  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
> > Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
> > the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
> > CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
> > test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
> > how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
> > stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
> > just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
> > good.
> > On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
> > I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
> > for
> > a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> > reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> > properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> > Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> > haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
> > quality
> > control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> > interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> > Thanks mg
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[RickG]

Speaking of firmware, has anyone tried DD-WRT on a UBNT?
-RickG

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Mike,
>
> The Bullets with the loose lan connectors was supposed to be a problem in
> the first few production runs of the new ones so that problem hopefully is
> gone.  UBNT is taking care of the ones with the bad solder jobs but it's
> still a pain in the butt to ship and wait for the returns.  I'd feel safe
> now with the Bullets.  The wrong firmware, boy, that's a new one!  But the
> plus is that it's just a name on the main page, the hardware is essentially
> the same so it should work no different.
>
> As far as connectors on the antennas, I think it's just our old way of
> thinking.  Everything we have used in the past, connector and cable wise,
> has been heavy duty, made for our big and clumsy hands.  Over tightening
> and
> yanking on wires for make sure they're secure is standard procedure but the
> SMA connectors are very small and the antenna leads are stiff and thin.  I
> found it all to just be a small learning curve and once I did it a few
> times
> I overcame my old thinking.  :)  The new nano's for instance, a much better
> access door design but at first I was just as aggravated with it as the
> ones
> on the NS2's until I did it a few times now it's a snap to open and close.
>
> I'd say just jump in and order what you can find.  The firmware is pretty
> stable now, my links are solid and for the money it's less painful when
> putting in a new AP.  I used a mix of Mikrotik and new Ubiquiti for some
> new
> AP's and CPE's and they all played well together perfectly.  I'm now slowly
> pulling out the MT where I can and replacing with UBNT when I can get it
> and
> moving the MT to areas where I have mostly MT.
>
> As far as their haste to bring these things to market.  Well...  that's
> the fault of a lot of us out here yelling for them to ship now!  I'll
> accept
> the hic-ups as a trade for having it installed out in the field.  I gotta
> deal with bad Microsoft operating systems day in and day out, I can add
> dealing with these little issues too.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:35 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
> I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for
> a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
>
> Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality
> control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
>
> Thanks mg
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[RickG]

Same here. For me, I am going to go slowly with a small project. Actually, I
just did a small project with UBNT and it went well. So, the next project
will be a bit bigger and so on. -RickG

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike  wrote:

> I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for
> a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
>
> Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality
> control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
>
> Thanks mg
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Robert West]

Absolutely true.  They are trained in the art of the "Magic Reboot".



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - 
little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a 
hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when 
you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port 
our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that 
project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the 
CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and 
unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP 
business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the 
CPE!

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?


> I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
> things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade off 
> is
> worth it, for me anyhow.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
>
>  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
> Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
> the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
> CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
> test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
> how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
> stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
> just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
> good.
> On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
> I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
> for
> a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
> quality
> control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> Thanks mg
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Tom Sharples]

My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - 
little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a 
hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when 
you're using "development stage" firmware. We did most of the work to port 
our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that 
project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the 
CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and 
unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP 
business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the 
CPE!

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?


> I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
> things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade off 
> is
> worth it, for me anyhow.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
>
>
>  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
> Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
> the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
> CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
> test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
> how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
> stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
> just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
> good.
> On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
> I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
> for
> a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start
> reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
> properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
> Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the
> haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
> quality
> control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be
> interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
> Thanks mg
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[WISPA] Snake Oil or Real?

[Robert West]

Saw this on TowerTalk, had me scratching my head.Anyone familiar with
these antennas or is this the next WiFi+  B.S.?

 

 

http://www.rfdesignline.com/howto/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=F1SQHL23DOWTN
QE1GHPCKHWATMY32JVN?articleID=222001586

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Robert West]

I'm with ya on all that, Jamie.  We've had minor issues but I expected
things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0!  The trade off is
worth it, for me anyhow.

Bob-


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Behalf Of jai...@budget.net
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?


  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
good.
 On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
 I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
for 
 a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start 
 reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on 
 properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
 Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the 
 haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
quality 
 control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be 
 interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
 Thanks mg



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[jaimie]

  We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with
the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5.  Durring testing at 4 Miles with
CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical  speeds of 75M to our
test server on the other end of the backhaul.  I was really amazed at
how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably
just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
good.
 On Sat 12/19/09  6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent:
 I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
for 
 a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start 
 reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on 
 properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
 Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the 
 haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
quality 
 control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be 
 interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
 Thanks mg


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Robert West]

Mike,

The Bullets with the loose lan connectors was supposed to be a problem in
the first few production runs of the new ones so that problem hopefully is
gone.  UBNT is taking care of the ones with the bad solder jobs but it's
still a pain in the butt to ship and wait for the returns.  I'd feel safe
now with the Bullets.  The wrong firmware, boy, that's a new one!  But the
plus is that it's just a name on the main page, the hardware is essentially
the same so it should work no different.  

As far as connectors on the antennas, I think it's just our old way of
thinking.  Everything we have used in the past, connector and cable wise,
has been heavy duty, made for our big and clumsy hands.  Over tightening and
yanking on wires for make sure they're secure is standard procedure but the
SMA connectors are very small and the antenna leads are stiff and thin.  I
found it all to just be a small learning curve and once I did it a few times
I overcame my old thinking.  :)  The new nano's for instance, a much better
access door design but at first I was just as aggravated with it as the ones
on the NS2's until I did it a few times now it's a snap to open and close.

I'd say just jump in and order what you can find.  The firmware is pretty
stable now, my links are solid and for the money it's less painful when
putting in a new AP.  I used a mix of Mikrotik and new Ubiquiti for some new
AP's and CPE's and they all played well together perfectly.  I'm now slowly
pulling out the MT where I can and replacing with UBNT when I can get it and
moving the MT to areas where I have mostly MT.  

As far as their haste to bring these things to market.  Well...  that's
the fault of a lot of us out here yelling for them to ship now!  I'll accept
the hic-ups as a trade for having it installed out in the field.  I gotta
deal with bad Microsoft operating systems day in and day out, I can add
dealing with these little issues too.

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for 
a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start 
reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on 
properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.

Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the 
haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality 
control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be 
interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.

Thanks mg






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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Gino Villarini]

We have used the "old" nano stations for customer owned ptp links, so
far  so good.  But we have not use them for our own network

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for 
a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start 
reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on 
properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.

Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the 
haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality 
control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be 
interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.

Thanks mg






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[WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

[Mike]

I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for 
a new project.  The scent of low price is alluring.  Then I start 
reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on 
properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.

Is it too early?  Should I wait a bit before I dive in?  Has the 
haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality 
control?  Is the low price just too good to be true?  I'd be 
interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.

Thanks mg





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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2

[Robert West]

And then a mistake can easily be made!

Good product though, I wonder how many were flash wrong by the "new" employee?  
:)



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2

The Bullet boards even say Pico on them.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I have never had a Pico apart, don't even own, but I checked with UBNT and
> the Pico and the Bullet is the EXACT same hardware on the inside, only
> difference is the antenna connector.  My guess is, somehow a Pico board
> slipped into the Bullet bin by accident before the antenna connector was put
> on.  UBNT could probably give you the step by step to change it but as it
> is, it should work perfectly fine at least that's the way it reads on UBNT's
> site.
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:16 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2
>
> Yes, I did flash is with 3.5 for Bullet2 but no help. Therefore, I'm
> guessing the Pico ID on the main page must come from the board itself? Now I
> wonder if a Pico board will fit into a Bullet? Another strange thing I
> noticed was it came from the factory with the the 3.4 beta firmware on it.
> I've never seen a manufacturer ship a unit with put beta before. On the good
> side, the unit is performing great.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
>> Must certainly have the wrong firmware from the factory!  Have you tried
> to
>> flash to the right firmware?  I wonder if it will bounce the Bullet
>> firmware
>> as being invalid!
>>
>> Interesting, Rick.  Let us know, that's not fun.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:30 PM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet2
>>
>> I just configured a Bullet2 that thinks its a Picostation2! See attached.
>> WTH?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] public subnet

[RickG]

The thing is they had a bridge from the other tower and it was working. The
only thing thats changed is the tower. RIP is on RB450G and WRAP's. Dont
know about Cisco as it is the customers and I dont have control. They also
have ICMP turned off amongst other things. Should I still see it?

Yes, NAT is being done from RB450G using 10.0.0.0/8.
Thanks! -RickG

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:08 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <
jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:

> Mmmm. bridging CPE, make sure its not proxy arping.
>
> Check your RIP, if its turned on, on both the wrap and Csico, should be
> seen.
>
> Where is the IP that is doing NAT located, on the RB450? The only way I had
> that
> work correctly was to drop all chain rules and tell NAT to source
> 10.0.0.0/8
> when going out dst interface. I have 2 routers at the core one for BGP &
> etc
> upstream, the other for NAT and in building hand-off (couple lans's and
> wireless, then the BH's to the rest of the network + the hotspot).
>
>
> RickG wrote:
> > I agree but traceroutes run perfectly. Just to be clear, here is the
> setup:
> > Inet->RB450G(Firewall)->WRAP/StarOS->CPE->Customer Device (Cisco).
> > The subnet is 204.62.63.76/30.
> > RB450G has the subnet defined in the filter rules as chain forward.
> > The wireless interface on the WRAP has 204.62.63.77 assigned.
> > The CPE is in bridge mode so its on a private IP.
> > The Cisco has 204.62.63.78 assigned to ether1.
> > All with a 255.255.255.252 subnet mask.
> > I tested with my laptop in place of the router.
> > One strange item I noticed. I'm running RIP and it does not see the WRAP
> > with 204.62.63.77 assigned.
> > Any other ideas?
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:13 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net <
> > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Routing or firewall setup issues. I pass a /24 and a /8 (NAT) across my
> >> entire
> >> network. I use one place of NAT (well a few users still have in house
> NAT)
> >> I
> >> would do traceroutes from and to the end IPs and see where things start
> to
> >> look
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >> RickG wrote:
> >>> OK, I've got a good one. I’m trying to pass public subnets to a couple
> of
> >>> customers. They worked before I switched them to a new, closer tower.
> >>> Bascially, it will not show the public IP when checking at
> >>> whatismyip.combut rather my firewall ip. Obviuosly, I can get on the
> >>> net with the public
> >>> ip's. What's weird is that it works at my office which is on the same
> >> tower
> >>> although it is a different access point. However, the AP's are the both
> >>> WRAP/StarOS units. My AP is running 5GHz and the customers is running
> >>> 2.4GHz. One other difference is that the customer's CPE is aNS2L and
> mine
> >> is
> >>> a NS5. I did try a Tranzeo CPQ as well. The only other difference is
> that
> >>> the customer is now only one hop from the firewall versus two hops
> >> before.
> >>> Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> -RickG
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