[WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Only a -61 at 2 miles? What antennas and at what power level? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Auto power adjust is set to -60, I think, so it is right on. Brad Belton wrote: Only a -61 at 2 miles? What antennas and at what power level? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Ok, that makes more sense. Do you have a spare link to swap in place? I'm not leaning towards interference if you've tried several different channels all with the same result. It's been a long time since I've used an UL Trango PtP, so maybe someone here a little more fresh with the gear will chime in with more detailed suggestions. What is Trango support suggesting? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem Auto power adjust is set to -60, I think, so it is right on. Brad Belton wrote: Only a -61 at 2 miles? What antennas and at what power level? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
I can make change by either math or the count to 100 method, but I'll stick up for the guy a little bit. After taking 5 calculus classes, differential equations, discrete mathematics, and algorithms, my ability to do simple addition and subtraction was permanently impaired. I studied CS instead of math, but math was an important part of the program. On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 03:44:43PM -0500, RickG wrote: We must live parallel lives! I stopped at an Arbys for lunch a while back in a college town. The register was out. My total was $5.15. I gave the kid a $10 and a quarter. He handed me 4 ones and a dime. I asked him to rethink the change. He scratched his head and finally the manager came over and corrected the situation. I asked the kid if he was going to college there. He said yes. I asked what his major was and he replied I'm a math major. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Trust me. I've seen it and I've lived it. I used to have to teach these kids to make change. I'd say, Can you count from one to a hundred? *YUP!* Then you can make change. Many still didn't get it.. sigh.. A customer owes 30 bucks and they give you 2 twenties.. How much do you owe them back? I'd say.I dunno.. would be the answer. You can't count from 30 to 40? I don't really fault the schools, a lot of it has to do with experience. If you never needed it, you don't have it. Brain cells that is. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Obviously you've never seen a cash register worker count change when the machine is broken. Longest 10 minutes of my life. I just tipped them the $2 and change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest consumer gadget. If I HAD rushed
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I think it's probably a case of the ISP wanting to get it feet wet and prove itself. The'll do it right, get some press, and apply for a bigger project in another round. On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:12:33PM -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote: Yes, that is a very good point. BUT... He can use the profit from the deployed network to pay those auditing fees. I'd be more concerned about the statement that service was for a community of 600 and he might need to build to serve everyone. $106k is a bit tight to cover 600 people. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding A precondition to accepting stimulus money is to submit to an annual 3rd party CPA audit (which generally costs $10-15k / year) -- he's probably going to lose money on the deal... Oops... -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I'm not speaking for Travis, but I agree with him. So, in a word, yes, you don't have a right to be in business. You don't have a right to a loan. You don't have a right to put taxpayer money at risk so that you can make a go of your business venture. Instead you do have the right to work hard and put your own money, blood, sweat and tears towards your business venture. You have the right to succeed or fail. That will depend on your abilities to startup, manage and run an effective business. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. So you are telling me that I have no right to be in business? The first 9 years I couldn't qualify for loans. I have been in the Wireless business for 10 years now and doing really well for myself from my perspective, and helping many people. I didn't need a Bank's endorsement to accomplish that, and I did just fine for my customers without them. A false assumption, that Banks are capable of determining who is or isn't a viable business. I'll admit Banks are good at determining whether a company falls within a broad pre-defined profile, and RISK can be estimated by looking at the average tracked for that profile type. But profiling is still a very innacurate way to measure the merits of an individual business, as many businesses dont fit into a profile and should not be measured the same way. This country's method of evaluating credit worthiness is the biggest sham, that I have ever witnessed. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. That I agree with. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True.
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Did you try any of the 5.2 channels? I have an 11mi link where the su modulates down to 24mbps looking up at the tower. Switched to 5300 and even with the reduction of power, it will modulate at 36mbps. At two miles I would think you would see similar or better results Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:15 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Scott, You are doing the right thing targetting a -60 rssi. We design most of our TLINKs to operate there, because they can distort after -58 and maximum RSSI is beneficial for top modulation. I see two relevent topics to address. 1) Why its dropping on one end, and 2) How well does Adaptive modulation work. WE ALWAYS LEAVE ADAPTIVE MODULATION OFF AND HARD SET BEST MODULATION for Tlinks. My personal feeling is that Tlink's adaptive modulation does not work well. We have found that it will stay on channels that are bad for to long. For example, if 54mod had 80% loss, and 36mod had 20% loss, and 24mod had zero loss, its not uncommon for the link to set it self to 36 mod and operate as a compromised link. We found that reducing packet loss is more important for TCP Throughout, that LAyer2 speed. Trango considers layer2 for picking best modulation and does not consider effect to TCP congestion control algorithyms. We just dont trust the Adaptive Modulation. Dont misunderstand me, we LOVE TLink-45s, they are our favorite radio under 30mbps, and work great when we hard set modulation. We rely on Linktest to establish what modulation is best to set each radio on. Meaning which modulation has least packet loss. As you know, each side can work at a different modulation. So it can take some playing to find the best modulation for each side. Sure it is possible that you have a bad radio on one end, and if you cant solve, would be worth swapping the radio. But I'd consider that as a last resort. Its very common to have noise floors that are different on one side of a link than the other. And it can be very common to have noise over a large number of channels. Remember Wifi channelsare 10Mhzspace off that of Trango, and some full duplex radio space their channels far apart. So one competitor's radio can sometimes chew up a lot of free channels. Have you tried both polarities? Or just channels. You have a perfect case for showing the high value of Trango. They give you the tool to solve this. You need to rely on Trango's embedded Spectrum scanning feature. You need to know the noise floor on BOTH sides to progress in troubleshooting this. On each side, run the spectrum scan on every channel, and copy to note pad, and compare noise floor picked up. Peak noise is most relevent.. Remember it takes 30db of SNR to reliably work at 54mb. And about 20-25db to operate at 36mb. But it only takes about 12db SNR to operate at 12mbps. Lastly, you should not judge whether your hardware is working well by what modulation is detected. Instead rely on Linktest to view packet loss at each modulation. That will give you clues. For example, if you have a bad radio, maybe its likely you might get packet loss on all your modulations of similar percentages. If packet loss drops proportionally to modulation (ex, 54mb 90%, 48 80%, 36mb 60%, 24mb 40%), you can be certain packet loss is proportional to the SNR, and therefore most likely truely a noise source interfering with you. If the RU is the one going to tx at 12mb, at a first glance it would be probable that the noise is at the MU side. But do not rely on that assumption. We have found otherwise many times. I'm assuming you are using integrated panels at 2 miles. If not, and using pigtails, make sure both side have the pigtails going to the correct polarities. We've had cases where tech's made a mistake and reverse the radio pigtail on one side, but because the radio is so close, and autoTXpower was on, it still worked and had similar RSSI on each end. So it was important to verify that TX power is hard set to the same value on BOTH sides. We decoverd our mistake, simply by swapping the polarity just on the near radio, and watching the packet loss go away, then verified with site visit. But if TX powers hard set equally, and equal RSSI, polarity is probably correct. Also remember that alignment is not symetrical to the other side. Or I should say Multi-path is not always symetrical. In theory, a reflective path is symetical if each side's Transmitted signal hits the same shape object that reflects the signal. But in many environments in the real world that are not the condition of reflective opject. For example an object shaped like 1\ . If getting multi-path on one side, its feasible that the RSSI could still be equal. Again, this is not a likely the cause, when you have a short LOS link, and can see everything in the path. But I can give you one example, where we had a panel mount loosen, and the panel fell pointed down to the roof, but because close and autopowerleveing, the link stayed up, but the link was established through multi-path. We showed up with a replacement radio after remote diag, and learned all we needed to do is realign. One of the ways to partially test alignment remotely is to match RSSI with LinkBudget. Again, autopowerlevels, can mislead you, so turn it off. Manually reduce the power level,
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Thanks Tom. You are correct, we are using the integrated panels for antennae. I will dig into this over the weekend and/or early next week. Tom DeReggi wrote: Scott, You are doing the right thing targetting a -60 rssi. We design most of our TLINKs to operate there, because they can distort after -58 and maximum RSSI is beneficial for top modulation. I see two relevent topics to address. 1) Why its dropping on one end, and 2) How well does Adaptive modulation work. WE ALWAYS LEAVE ADAPTIVE MODULATION OFF AND HARD SET BEST MODULATION for Tlinks. My personal feeling is that Tlink's adaptive modulation does not work well. We have found that it will stay on channels that are bad for to long. For example, if 54mod had 80% loss, and 36mod had 20% loss, and 24mod had zero loss, its not uncommon for the link to set it self to 36 mod and operate as a compromised link. We found that reducing packet loss is more important for TCP Throughout, that LAyer2 speed. Trango considers layer2 for picking best modulation and does not consider effect to TCP congestion control algorithyms. We just dont trust the Adaptive Modulation. Dont misunderstand me, we LOVE TLink-45s, they are our favorite radio under 30mbps, and work great when we hard set modulation. We rely on Linktest to establish what modulation is best to set each radio on. Meaning which modulation has least packet loss. As you know, each side can work at a different modulation. So it can take some playing to find the best modulation for each side. Sure it is possible that you have a bad radio on one end, and if you cant solve, would be worth swapping the radio. But I'd consider that as a last resort. Its very common to have noise floors that are different on one side of a link than the other. And it can be very common to have noise over a large number of channels. Remember Wifi channelsare 10Mhzspace off that of Trango, and some full duplex radio space their channels far apart. So one competitor's radio can sometimes chew up a lot of free channels. Have you tried both polarities? Or just channels. You have a perfect case for showing the high value of Trango. They give you the tool to solve this. You need to rely on Trango's embedded Spectrum scanning feature. You need to know the noise floor on BOTH sides to progress in troubleshooting this. On each side, run the spectrum scan on every channel, and copy to note pad, and compare noise floor picked up. Peak noise is most relevent.. Remember it takes 30db of SNR to reliably work at 54mb. And about 20-25db to operate at 36mb. But it only takes about 12db SNR to operate at 12mbps. Lastly, you should not judge whether your hardware is working well by what modulation is detected. Instead rely on Linktest to view packet loss at each modulation. That will give you clues. For example, if you have a bad radio, maybe its likely you might get packet loss on all your modulations of similar percentages. If packet loss drops proportionally to modulation (ex, 54mb 90%, 48 80%, 36mb 60%, 24mb 40%), you can be certain packet loss is proportional to the SNR, and therefore most likely truely a noise source interfering with you. If the RU is the one going to tx at 12mb, at a first glance it would be probable that the noise is at the MU side. But do not rely on that assumption. We have found otherwise many times. I'm assuming you are using integrated panels at 2 miles. If not, and using pigtails, make sure both side have the pigtails going to the correct polarities. We've had cases where tech's made a mistake and reverse the radio pigtail on one side, but because the radio is so close, and autoTXpower was on, it still worked and had similar RSSI on each end. So it was important to verify that TX power is hard set to the same value on BOTH sides. We decoverd our mistake, simply by swapping the polarity just on the near radio, and watching the packet loss go away, then verified with site visit. But if TX powers hard set equally, and equal RSSI, polarity is probably correct. Also remember that alignment is not symetrical to the other side. Or I should say Multi-path is not always symetrical. In theory, a reflective path is symetical if each side's Transmitted signal hits the same shape object that reflects the signal. But in many environments in the real world that are not the condition of reflective opject. For example an object shaped like 1\ . If getting multi-path on one side, its feasible that the RSSI could still be equal. Again, this is not a likely the cause, when you have a short LOS link, and can see everything in the path. But I can give you one example, where we had a panel mount loosen, and the panel fell pointed down to the roof, but because close and autopowerleveing, the link stayed up, but the link was established through multi-path. We showed up with a replacement radio after
Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
LOL! I might use an analogy of internet for that one. Sometimes I forget how to put an ethernet end on - but then it all comes back to me :) On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:30 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: I can make change by either math or the count to 100 method, but I'll stick up for the guy a little bit. After taking 5 calculus classes, differential equations, discrete mathematics, and algorithms, my ability to do simple addition and subtraction was permanently impaired. I studied CS instead of math, but math was an important part of the program. On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 03:44:43PM -0500, RickG wrote: We must live parallel lives! I stopped at an Arbys for lunch a while back in a college town. The register was out. My total was $5.15. I gave the kid a $10 and a quarter. He handed me 4 ones and a dime. I asked him to rethink the change. He scratched his head and finally the manager came over and corrected the situation. I asked the kid if he was going to college there. He said yes. I asked what his major was and he replied I'm a math major. -RickG On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Trust me. I've seen it and I've lived it. I used to have to teach these kids to make change. I'd say, Can you count from one to a hundred? *YUP!* Then you can make change. Many still didn't get it.. sigh.. A customer owes 30 bucks and they give you 2 twenties.. How much do you owe them back? I'd say.I dunno.. would be the answer. You can't count from 30 to 40? I don't really fault the schools, a lot of it has to do with experience. If you never needed it, you don't have it. Brain cells that is. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone Obviously you've never seen a cash register worker count change when the machine is broken. Longest 10 minutes of my life. I just tipped them the $2 and change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago. I ride the city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really late. A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name would be, was a Dump Error and inside the bus the routes and schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening. Windows XP. The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be lost. I was just flabbergasted, whatever that means. I kept saying, Just drive the damn bus! I still haven't a clue how a server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to there Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500 Kevin - that's your phones fault, not ATT. As much as I hate admitting that. VVM works on the latest update of the Bold. On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to check my visual voicemail or get online.ATT sucks around here, so far. Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired. -Kevin On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering apple has to approve everything before it is allowed. But at the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward. Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From:
[WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS. Some customers prefer it the other way, and a build may have been done without. I agree they are a pain, I prefer with RJ45-ECS as well. Make sure you have your account setup for WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on these kits. If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in the notes section of your order and we will make it happen. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
There was one firmware version where the adaptive modulation didn't adapt back up properly. I'd also add making sure the firmware is up to date. On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:35:40PM -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote: Scott, You are doing the right thing targetting a -60 rssi. We design most of our TLINKs to operate there, because they can distort after -58 and maximum RSSI is beneficial for top modulation. I see two relevent topics to address. 1) Why its dropping on one end, and 2) How well does Adaptive modulation work. WE ALWAYS LEAVE ADAPTIVE MODULATION OFF AND HARD SET BEST MODULATION for Tlinks. My personal feeling is that Tlink's adaptive modulation does not work well. We have found that it will stay on channels that are bad for to long. For example, if 54mod had 80% loss, and 36mod had 20% loss, and 24mod had zero loss, its not uncommon for the link to set it self to 36 mod and operate as a compromised link. We found that reducing packet loss is more important for TCP Throughout, that LAyer2 speed. Trango considers layer2 for picking best modulation and does not consider effect to TCP congestion control algorithyms. We just dont trust the Adaptive Modulation. Dont misunderstand me, we LOVE TLink-45s, they are our favorite radio under 30mbps, and work great when we hard set modulation. We rely on Linktest to establish what modulation is best to set each radio on. Meaning which modulation has least packet loss. As you know, each side can work at a different modulation. So it can take some playing to find the best modulation for each side. Sure it is possible that you have a bad radio on one end, and if you cant solve, would be worth swapping the radio. But I'd consider that as a last resort. Its very common to have noise floors that are different on one side of a link than the other. And it can be very common to have noise over a large number of channels. Remember Wifi channelsare 10Mhzspace off that of Trango, and some full duplex radio space their channels far apart. So one competitor's radio can sometimes chew up a lot of free channels. Have you tried both polarities? Or just channels. You have a perfect case for showing the high value of Trango. They give you the tool to solve this. You need to rely on Trango's embedded Spectrum scanning feature. You need to know the noise floor on BOTH sides to progress in troubleshooting this. On each side, run the spectrum scan on every channel, and copy to note pad, and compare noise floor picked up. Peak noise is most relevent.. Remember it takes 30db of SNR to reliably work at 54mb. And about 20-25db to operate at 36mb. But it only takes about 12db SNR to operate at 12mbps. Lastly, you should not judge whether your hardware is working well by what modulation is detected. Instead rely on Linktest to view packet loss at each modulation. That will give you clues. For example, if you have a bad radio, maybe its likely you might get packet loss on all your modulations of similar percentages. If packet loss drops proportionally to modulation (ex, 54mb 90%, 48 80%, 36mb 60%, 24mb 40%), you can be certain packet loss is proportional to the SNR, and therefore most likely truely a noise source interfering with you. If the RU is the one going to tx at 12mb, at a first glance it would be probable that the noise is at the MU side. But do not rely on that assumption. We have found otherwise many times. I'm assuming you are using integrated panels at 2 miles. If not, and using pigtails, make sure both side have the pigtails going to the correct polarities. We've had cases where tech's made a mistake and reverse the radio pigtail on one side, but because the radio is so close, and autoTXpower was on, it still worked and had similar RSSI on each end. So it was important to verify that TX power is hard set to the same value on BOTH sides. We decoverd our mistake, simply by swapping the polarity just on the near radio, and watching the packet loss go away, then verified with site visit. But if TX powers hard set equally, and equal RSSI, polarity is probably correct. Also remember that alignment is not symetrical to the other side. Or I should say Multi-path is not always symetrical. In theory, a reflective path is symetical if each side's Transmitted signal hits the same shape object that reflects the signal. But in many environments in the real world that are not the condition of reflective opject. For example an object shaped like 1\ . If getting multi-path on one side, its feasible that the RSSI could still be equal. Again, this is not a likely the cause, when you have a short LOS link, and can see everything in the path. But I can give you one example, where we had a panel mount loosen, and the panel fell pointed down to the roof, but because close and autopowerleveing, the link stayed up, but the link was established through
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
I strongly suggest you order 5, but I can't force you to =) Reply to this thread if you have any questions at all. I can't imagine why you won't start using these, especially in place of the poynt stuff. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Thanks Chuck. What's an RJ45-ECS? What's the warrantee on these units? Are there other antenna size choices? I really like the Pac Wireless pass through connectors. I hate having to take a screw driver up with me much to depress the tab on an ethernet connection! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS. Some customers prefer it the other way, and a build may have been done without. I agree they are a pain, I prefer with RJ45-ECS as well. Make sure you have your account setup for WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on these kits. If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in the notes section of your order and we will make it happen. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Marlon, What do you want? WE build to order! http://store.jeffcosoho.com/product_p/2415-411-24i.htm http://store.jeffcosoho.com/product_p/2415-433-xr2-r52-24i-sp.htm If you need qtys, call ! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c. (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside. We splice the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a laptop. Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE. (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure. It is a better performing antenna than any Roo. It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc). They are very similar in price. You don't have to cut the cable to access Ethernet. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Give the tech a break-out box. A box with 2 Enet jacks and a pigtail with a plug. The plug get only the data pairs from one jack and plugs in the laptop. The power pairs get connected from one jack to the other. The jack with all 4 pair is labeled RADIO. The jack with only data pairs is labeled POWER. Plug the cable from inside into the POWER jack. Plug a patch cable into the RADIO jack and the radio. Plug the pigtail in the laptop. I use this all the time. Actually for installs, I have a power supply in the truck and a 250' ethernet cable on a spool. Plug the cable in the truck power supply. Plug the other end in the break-out box and away you go. On installs above the roof, put a test box at ground level. Just a Enet plug and jack. Insert the break-out box here and even with no one home you can connect. Tom DeReggi wrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead?
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
RJ45-ECS = pac wireless pass thru connectors http://images.google.com/images?q=rj45-ecsoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8sa=Nhl=entab=wi It's a female rj45 connect outside (so you plug your outdoor cable into it, then through the house to a POE) and a patch cable you plug into the rb411. Steep at $10 some places but even then it's well worth it. There is a 19 or 20 dbi 5ghz panel for ARC enclosures. I have always used the 23dbi panel. Remember the ARC stuff is antenna+enclosure - it all ties together so when you get to the customer site all you do is mount it and run the cat5. If you hate using something to remove the cable (which you shouldn't need to do often at all, I don't I personally ever have had to from these units) you will NEED the rj45-ecs. You can remove the cable if you have tiny fingers and can roll your fingertip from the side of the clip. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Thanks Chuck. What's an RJ45-ECS? What's the warrantee on these units? Are there other antenna size choices? I really like the Pac Wireless pass through connectors. I hate having to take a screw driver up with me much to depress the tab on an ethernet connection! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS. Some customers prefer it the other way, and a build may have been done without. I agree they are a pain, I prefer with RJ45-ECS as well. Make sure you have your account setup for WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on these kits. If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in the notes section of your order and we will make it happen. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
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2) There is a regular 433 that's half way between the 411 and the 433AH. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
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Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
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Don't you ground your installations prior to coming into the house? We have grounding blocks that are just ethernet jacks, and a small 12 volt DC battery and injector to plug right into outside. no splicing required. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon
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Try #3 in sending this with a link removed. We guarantee our workmanship in the assembly. For example, if for some reason water were to get in because of our failure to make sure the unit is sealed properly, we will replace it. The warranty sticker must be intact. If it is a component failure, the warranty for the component applies. We have cross-shipped replacements for clients in good standing and a credit card on account. Kits are available on the website. If you wish to modify components, let us know and we will add those to the kit options. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Thanks Chuck. What's an RJ45-ECS? What's the warrantee on these units? Are there other antenna size choices? I really like the Pac Wireless pass through connectors. I hate having to take a screw driver up with me much to depress the tab on an ethernet connection! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Normally, We do the RJ45-ECS. Some customers prefer it the other way, and a build may have been done without. I agree they are a pain, I prefer with RJ45-ECS as well. Make sure you have your account setup for WISPA (Coupon Code: FREEBUILD), and you get the builds done for free on these kits. If you have any special requests for QLW, just put them in the notes section of your order and we will make it happen. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s (on a different tower). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've been seeing way to high of a failure rate or dead out of the box problem with these radios. I'm using the 411 versions. One even had an antenna that wasn't connected inside, broken solder joint. Anyone else seeing such high failure rates? It's got to be close to 20 or 25% here. Anyone know of a nice pre-built kit that I can use instead? Price is NOT the top priority here. I'm just using these 5.8 gig versions in places that the 2.4 is maxed out or for higher end business customers. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
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Chuck, (3 a/b) - Great idea. Do you sell or have a source for a SOLID cable assembly that is pinned out that way, that is durable to last carring around in the field? We custom punch down similar cable solutions inside enclosures when we want to extend a second ethernet port to an external relay radio, but have to inject power to it. Its all solid secure and tied down inside the case, but not sure they'd stay togeather well, just taking a raw jack and punching it to a cable. For business, this doesn't help, because the goal is to connect to the radio without taking the customer down. But for busness we already justified cost of an standalone large case for a 433AH. For residential, your solution should work really well, because the residential user is not home, the reason for needing to connect at the radio, and therefore no problem with taking down the system to connect the Maintenance cable. (3c) Note, when I said Rootenna, I did not really mean Rootena. I look at Rootenna as being a style not brand. I really meant integrated enclosure. I agree, I really like the ARC entegrated enclosures. I'll add When we realized Rootennas were too flimbsy for our purpose (its a comapny image thing), we looked for higher quality. We found that super high quality with the Teletronic Integrated Enclosures that was also a low price. But we actually stopped using them that much, atleast for residential. The reason is that it was to hard to remove the enclosure from the antenna, in the field, without accidentally breaking the Pigtail, or UFl connector off the mCPI card. It was hard to HOLD the heavy case and antenna both, while unscrewing, and sometimes, that pigtail got yanked. What I like about the ARC system is that that is NOT the case with the ARC. They are sturdy and quality, but because they are squared off in shape and a bit smaller and lighter, its much easier to disassemble in the field, without damaging pigtails. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c. (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside. We splice the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a laptop. Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE. (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure. It is a better performing antenna than any Roo. It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc). They are very similar in price. You don't have to cut the cable to access Ethernet. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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We used to ground them when we were using Trango CPE with Canopy SS300. For business and Mikrotik we do, because PVC outside, and Plenum inside, so need the junction anyway. But now with Mikrotik residnetial style outdoor equipment, and connecting to cheap indoor SOHO router, its so darn inexpensive for a CPE, its not worth the time or cost to grounding the CAT5 outdoors anymore. IF we use a Metal Mast for mounting, we still Ground the Mast for lightning protection. As well, with Residential, The CAT5 often needs to get run straight into the attic or sophet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Don't you ground your installations prior to coming into the house? We have grounding blocks that are just ethernet jacks, and a small 12 volt DC battery and injector to plug right into outside. no splicing required. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my
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Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake on ordering. They do not use the rj45-ecs but rather put the 411 up to the connectivity hole, though if you ask I expect they will. I absolute can NOT STAND THAT. You can see the link lights, but it is a absolute bear to plug it in (or it was on a grain leg and water tower Saturday before last in the cold windy snow). I love the mounting system. Their only flaw is they are a bit weighty which can be tiring. I have had nothing but success with these antennas. I made be flogged for saying this, but my experience has been better with these then Motorola 5700s
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Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? It's JB Weld. Fits on top of the battery. Put a tube (steel, pvc, paper towel roll) over the battery connector. I put paper towel over the battery connector and any kind of oil/grease between the paper towel and tube. Fill with JB weld. If you have something that vibrates, sit it on top and get the air to the top. Accessorize (motorola plug, sheet metal for battery clips, etc). I'm doing another one this weekend and I'll do what I can for a write up. I'll bring one to AF. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday
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If there is a demand for it, we could manufacture some of them. I typically make them. What would you be willing to pay? $10-15 depending on quantity? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Chuck, (3 a/b) - Great idea. Do you sell or have a source for a SOLID cable assembly that is pinned out that way, that is durable to last carring around in the field? We custom punch down similar cable solutions inside enclosures when we want to extend a second ethernet port to an external relay radio, but have to inject power to it. Its all solid secure and tied down inside the case, but not sure they'd stay togeather well, just taking a raw jack and punching it to a cable. For business, this doesn't help, because the goal is to connect to the radio without taking the customer down. But for busness we already justified cost of an standalone large case for a 433AH. For residential, your solution should work really well, because the residential user is not home, the reason for needing to connect at the radio, and therefore no problem with taking down the system to connect the Maintenance cable. (3c) Note, when I said Rootenna, I did not really mean Rootena. I look at Rootenna as being a style not brand. I really meant integrated enclosure. I agree, I really like the ARC entegrated enclosures. I'll add When we realized Rootennas were too flimbsy for our purpose (its a comapny image thing), we looked for higher quality. We found that super high quality with the Teletronic Integrated Enclosures that was also a low price. But we actually stopped using them that much, atleast for residential. The reason is that it was to hard to remove the enclosure from the antenna, in the field, without accidentally breaking the Pigtail, or UFl connector off the mCPI card. It was hard to HOLD the heavy case and antenna both, while unscrewing, and sometimes, that pigtail got yanked. What I like about the ARC system is that that is NOT the case with the ARC. They are sturdy and quality, but because they are squared off in shape and a bit smaller and lighter, its much easier to disassemble in the field, without damaging pigtails. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c. (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside. We splice the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a laptop. Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE. (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure. It is a better performing antenna than any Roo. It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc). They are very similar in price. You don't have to cut the cable to access Ethernet. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone
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Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake
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Look at the picture better. It says patent pending. Zoomed in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j
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Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Look at the picture better. It says patent pending. Zoomed in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due
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http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/ ryan On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Look at the picture better. It says patent pending. Zoomed in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
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I would not need more than 2 portable units myself, because I have a small tech staff. Its not really a price issue per unit to me because of that. But if you were to created a partnumber/product of it, I'd guess $30 would be a reasonable street price for something like that, to be attractive enough for every WISP tech to want to buy one.. Unless, it equally worked as a splitter inside cases to feed external relay radios. Then I could see it being used in higher volume. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt If there is a demand for it, we could manufacture some of them. I typically make them. What would you be willing to pay? $10-15 depending on quantity? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Chuck, (3 a/b) - Great idea. Do you sell or have a source for a SOLID cable assembly that is pinned out that way, that is durable to last carring around in the field? We custom punch down similar cable solutions inside enclosures when we want to extend a second ethernet port to an external relay radio, but have to inject power to it. Its all solid secure and tied down inside the case, but not sure they'd stay togeather well, just taking a raw jack and punching it to a cable. For business, this doesn't help, because the goal is to connect to the radio without taking the customer down. But for busness we already justified cost of an standalone large case for a 433AH. For residential, your solution should work really well, because the residential user is not home, the reason for needing to connect at the radio, and therefore no problem with taking down the system to connect the Maintenance cable. (3c) Note, when I said Rootenna, I did not really mean Rootena. I look at Rootenna as being a style not brand. I really meant integrated enclosure. I agree, I really like the ARC entegrated enclosures. I'll add When we realized Rootennas were too flimbsy for our purpose (its a comapny image thing), we looked for higher quality. We found that super high quality with the Teletronic Integrated Enclosures that was also a low price. But we actually stopped using them that much, atleast for residential. The reason is that it was to hard to remove the enclosure from the antenna, in the field, without accidentally breaking the Pigtail, or UFl connector off the mCPI card. It was hard to HOLD the heavy case and antenna both, while unscrewing, and sometimes, that pigtail got yanked. What I like about the ARC system is that that is NOT the case with the ARC. They are sturdy and quality, but because they are squared off in shape and a bit smaller and lighter, its much easier to disassemble in the field, without damaging pigtails. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I have a fix for your need on part 3a\b\c. (3a/b) We use a cable that has a female RJ45 end, we use that to plug into from the home owner's cable that is run to the inside. We splice the data off and have another RJ45 end for Data only plugged into a laptop. Then one that is combine Data/Power plugging into the CPE. (3c) Use ARC Antennas with the ARC Enclosure. It is a better performing antenna than any Roo. It is the same antenna that is used as an OEM product on many commercial PtP links (Solectek, LigoWave, etc). They are very similar in price. You don't have to cut the cable to access Ethernet. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port,
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Cool. I love this industry, its full of resourceful people. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/ ryan On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Look at the picture better. It says patent pending. Zoomed in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess
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