I'm not speaking for Travis, but I agree with him. So, in a word, yes, you don't have a right to be in business. You don't have a right to a loan. You don't have a right to put taxpayer money at risk so that you can make a go of your business venture.
Instead you do have the right to work hard and put your own money, blood, sweat and tears towards your business venture. You have the right to succeed or fail. That will depend on your abilities to startup, manage and run an effective business. Best, Brad -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, > Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a > bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in > business in the first place. So you are telling me that I have no right to be in business? The first 9 years I couldn't qualify for loans. I have been in the Wireless business for 10 years now and doing really well for myself from my perspective, and helping many people. I didn't need a Bank's endorsement to accomplish that, and I did just fine for my customers without them. A false assumption, that Banks are capable of determining who is or isn't a viable business. I'll admit Banks are good at determining whether a company falls within a broad pre-defined profile, and RISK can be estimated by looking at the average tracked for that profile type. But profiling is still a very innacurate way to measure the merits of an individual business, as many businesses dont fit into a profile and should not be measured the same way. This country's method of evaluating credit worthiness is the biggest sham, that I have ever witnessed. > If you can't show a profit and make a > business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. That I agree with. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding > Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a > bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in > business in the first place. If you can't show a profit and make a > business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. > > Travis > Microserv > > > Brad Belton wrote: >> That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. >> If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why >> should >> the taxpayer be put on the hook? >> >> Brad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding >> >> Travis, >> >> But, you and I are grading different topics.. >> >> I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting >> the >> >> money on those terms. >> My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers >> and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a >> good >> thing. >> >> I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I >> can. >> But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a >> loan, >> you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of >> the >> requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the >> project, >> for what ever reason, you really dont have "NEED" do you? Those that >> truly >> have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may >> be >> more willing to make compromises to get the money. >> >> With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or >> justification was. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding >> >> >> >>> I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from >>> now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned >>> $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like >>> they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so >>> what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding >>> another business to be in. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> >>>> I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am >>>> very >>>> impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. >>>> What that transaction tells us is.... >>>> >>>> 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller >>>> than >>>> >> >> >>>> 5 >>>> mil would not likely be considered. >>>> A: Not True. >>>> >>>> 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers >>>> game. >>>> A: Not True >>>> >>>> 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont >>>> need >>>> it. >>>> A: Not True >>>> >>>> 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a >>>> little >>>> help!!! >>>> A: A small WISP got some help. >>>> >>>> I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to >>>> consider >>>> worthy small applications. >>>> >>>> The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly >>>> finance through lease companies. >>>> For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, >>>> but >>>> its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear >>>> (MT, >>>> STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr >>>> and >>>> over. I can give an example of a "battery" for backup system, Who in >>>> their >>>> right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no >>>> resale >>>> value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure >>>> critical for its operation. >>>> >>>> It also should be noted that because Aloha got a "loan" instead of >>>> grant >>>> he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some >>>> operating >>>> costs to support the network also. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been >>>>> gotten >>>>> with a leasing company, without all the government ties and >>>>> restrictions. >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of >>>>>> the >>>>>> first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. 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