Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Scott Vander Dussen]

??  Both of these products are simple passive surge/LA - they don't inject 
power or make any distinction if pins 4/5 & 7/8 are positive or negative.  
It'll work regardless which PoE standard you're using. 

`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

Darn! Need something just like that only for normal polarity.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
> That is different than the 600ss. The 600ss is made by Transtector for
> Motorola and is a Moto part. The one I linked is made by WB Mfg (Chuck
> McCown). I would imagine it only works with Canopy/Trango 24V reverse
> polarity PoE.
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> Is this the same thing?
>> http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=600SS&eq=&Tp=
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
>>  wrote:
>>> This is for Canopy radios:
>>>
>>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>>>
>>> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection.
>>> Weatherproof enclosure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Shoemaker
>>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
 You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
 have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
 boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
 Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
 didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
 is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
 prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
 benefit along with ease of access.
 At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
 not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
 out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
 -RickG

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
  wrote:
> Rick-
> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing 
> model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation 
> time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't 
> really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 
> never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by 
> lighting.
>
> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the 
> customer isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may 
> be the problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need 
> to, and the customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" 
> that we made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  
> The adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to 
> customer's power supply in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the 
> radio and the remaining RJ45 port has access to the network only (PoE 
> pins removed) for use in your laptop.
>
> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>
> `S
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>
> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
> depend on the customer to be there?
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>  wrote:
>> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
>> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or 
>> even on the right track?
>> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>>
>> Thanks,
>> `S
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/ma

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Frank Crawford]

Also ENU inc off airport way stocks both PCI and PCIe.

http://www.enuinc.com/



Frank Crawford wrote:
> Tom, You might want to check if that imagestream 2006 MoBo has pci-e 
> slots in it
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>   
>> You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :)
>>
>> On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Yup... that's the one.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 Maybe this one?

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples 
 wrote:


   
 
> Thanks guys!
>   - Original Message -
>  From: Travis Johnson
>  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List
>  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
>
>
>  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they
> worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
>
>
>  Tom Sharples wrote:
> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
> (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
> intel,
> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
> card?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.
>
> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model
> that
> doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Sharples" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet
> expansion
> boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
> this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need.
> I'm
> looking forward to trying it out tho.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
> little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
> my emails without a phone call.
>
> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>I really think you'll love ImageStream...
>  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
> inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
> happy.
>
> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
> subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
> to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
> of pfSense 1.2.3.
>
> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
> go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
> manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
> OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
>
> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
> an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
> your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
> for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
> have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
> them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
> busted."
>
> Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
>
> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
> it would take me much longer to trai

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Frank Crawford]

Tom, You might want to check if that imagestream 2006 MoBo has pci-e 
slots in it

Josh Luthman wrote:
> You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :)
>
> On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>   
>> Yup... that's the one.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe this one?
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>>> that counts.”
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Thanks guys!
   - Original Message -
  From: Travis Johnson
  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List
  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)


  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they
 worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.

  Travis
  Microserv


  Tom Sharples wrote:
 Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
 unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
 (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
 intel,
 whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
 card?

 Thanks,

 Tom S.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Tom DeReggi" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


 Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
 A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.

 (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model
 that
 doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: "Tom Sharples" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


 I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet
 expansion
 boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
 this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need.
 I'm
 looking forward to trying it out tho.

 Tom S.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


 Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
 little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
 my emails without a phone call.

 On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
I really think you'll love ImageStream...
  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
 inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
 happy.

 I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
 currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
 subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
 to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
 of pfSense 1.2.3.

 I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
 Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
 go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
 manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
 OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.

 Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
 an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
 your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
 for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
 have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
 them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
 busted."

 Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
 manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
 they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.

 The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
 it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
 it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
 cost :

 pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
 pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth

 ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
 

Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Rubens Kuhl]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:34 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Thats leads me to a question. I note RB's website specs for the 450G says:
> Actual tested throughput Ether1 <-> Ether2 = 1Gbps

For large-large-large packets, as these boards are pps limited.

> Ether2 <-> Ether3 = 650Mbps 1Gbps throughput on ports 1-2

That's because Ether 2 to 5 are connected to a single gigabit CPU
port.  It should read 500 Mbps and not 650 Mbps, as 650 Mbps would
imply a 1.3Gbps port.


> Is the 750 the same?

THe RB750 don't use the RB450G and RB750G switch chip.
(http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Switch_Chip_Features)

> Also, what does "optional Switch Chip functionality for wire speed
> Gigabit throughput." mean?

It means if you configure switching instead of CPU-forwarding on these
ports, they will get wire speed throughput. But it will be limited
layer-2 and may be tag insertion/removal, some L3/L4 ACLs if they are
small.

> This is interesting as well:
> "Comparing to RB750, the G version adds not only Gigabit capable ports, but
> a new 680MHz Atheros 7161 CPU for increased throughput. Up to 580Mbps
> throughout with larger packets, and up to 91500pps with small packets!"

According to the page above RB750G doesn't have the "all-port-switch"
option of RB450G, which suggests it only has one gigabit connection to
the CPU. The fact that all RB750G ports have the same MTU
(http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Maximum_Transmission_Unit_on_RouterBoards),
when RB450G Ether1 has a slightly larger MTU than RB450G Ether2-5
suggests that as well.


Rubens



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Josh Luthman]

You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :)

On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Yup... that's the one.
>
> Travis
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Maybe this one?
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
>> that counts.”
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks guys!
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>  From: Travis Johnson
>>>  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List
>>>  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
>>>
>>>
>>>  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they
>>> worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.
>>>
>>>  Travis
>>>  Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>>  Tom Sharples wrote:
>>> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
>>> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
>>> (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
>>> intel,
>>> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
>>> card?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tom S.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
>>> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.
>>>
>>> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model
>>> that
>>> doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tom Sharples" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>>>
>>>
>>> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet
>>> expansion
>>> boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
>>> this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need.
>>> I'm
>>> looking forward to trying it out tho.
>>>
>>> Tom S.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>>>
>>>
>>> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
>>> little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
>>> my emails without a phone call.
>>>
>>> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>>>  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>I really think you'll love ImageStream...
>>>  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
>>> inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
>>> happy.
>>>
>>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
>>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
>>> subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
>>> to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
>>> of pfSense 1.2.3.
>>>
>>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
>>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
>>> go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
>>> manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
>>> OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
>>>
>>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
>>> an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
>>> your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
>>> for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
>>> have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
>>> them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
>>> busted."
>>>
>>> Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
>>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
>>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
>>>
>>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
>>> it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
>>> it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
>>> cost :
>>>
>>> pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
>>> pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth
>>>
>>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
>>>  $600 e-bay.  3 eth
>>>
>>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
>>> horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
>>> beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
>>> Tra

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Travis Johnson]

Yup... that's the one.

Travis


Josh Luthman wrote:
> Maybe this one?
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples  wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks guys!
>>   - Original Message -
>>  From: Travis Johnson
>>  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List
>>  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
>>
>>
>>  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they
>> worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.
>>
>>  Travis
>>  Microserv
>>
>>
>>  Tom Sharples wrote:
>> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
>> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
>> (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
>> intel,
>> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
>> card?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom S.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>>
>>
>> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
>> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.
>>
>> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that
>> doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tom Sharples" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>>
>>
>> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion
>> boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
>> this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need.
>> I'm
>> looking forward to trying it out tho.
>>
>> Tom S.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>>
>>
>> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
>> little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
>> my emails without a phone call.
>>
>> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>>  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>I really think you'll love ImageStream...
>>  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
>> inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
>> happy.
>>
>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
>> subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
>> to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
>> of pfSense 1.2.3.
>>
>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
>> go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
>> manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
>> OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
>>
>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
>> an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
>> your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
>> for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
>> have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
>> them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
>> busted."
>>
>> Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
>>
>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
>> it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
>> it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
>> cost :
>>
>> pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
>> pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth
>>
>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
>>  $600 e-bay.  3 eth
>>
>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
>> horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
>> beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
>> TransPort.
>>
>>On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>>Scott
>>
>> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1
>> peer

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Josh Luthman]

Maybe this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples  wrote:

> Thanks guys!
>   - Original Message -
>  From: Travis Johnson
>  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List
>  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
>
>
>  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they
> worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
>
>
>  Tom Sharples wrote:
> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
> (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
> intel,
> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
> card?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.
>
> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that
> doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Sharples" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion
> boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
> this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need.
> I'm
> looking forward to trying it out tho.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
> little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
> my emails without a phone call.
>
> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>I really think you'll love ImageStream...
>  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
> inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
> happy.
>
> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
> subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
> to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
> of pfSense 1.2.3.
>
> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
> go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
> manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
> OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
>
> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
> an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
> your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
> for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
> have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
> them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
> busted."
>
> Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
>
> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
> it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
> it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
> cost :
>
> pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
> pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth
>
> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
>  $600 e-bay.  3 eth
>
> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
> horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
> beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
> TransPort.
>
>On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert
> wrote:
>
>  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>Scott
>
> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1
> peer.
> I am awaiting that fix myself.
>  In the GUI anyway.
>
> 1. mount -u -w /
>
> 2. vi config file
>
> 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated to
>  handle more peers.
>
> That's 

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Tom Sharples]

Thanks guys!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)


  We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they 
worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.

  Travis
  Microserv


  Tom Sharples wrote: 
Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , 
unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards 
(sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com, intel, 
whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary card?

Thanks,

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.

(Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that
doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Sharples" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion
boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need. I'm
looking forward to trying it out tho.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
my emails without a phone call.

On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
I really think you'll love ImageStream...
  I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
happy.

I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
of pfSense 1.2.3.

I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.

Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
busted."

Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.

The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
cost :

pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth

ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
  $600 e-bay.  3 eth

We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
TransPort.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert
wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
Scott

One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1
peer.
I am awaiting that fix myself.
  In the GUI anyway.

1. mount -u -w /

2. vi config file

3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated to
  handle more peers.

That's why I love pfSense, if the GUI doesn't support it, I can still
make it work.

I only need one peer for now.  The only reason it needs to speak BGP is
so I can announce a subset of our ARIN space to the transit provider.

I've been tempted to just pkg_add quagga.  But my long term goal is to
not be the only guy here who can manage the network.

I love PFSENSE -  Chris has done an awesome job on that project.
  Durn tootin'.  Chris and that other Scott, and Ermal and . . .

--
Scott LambertKC5MLE  

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Travis Johnson]

We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they 
worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards.

Travis
Microserv


Tom Sharples wrote:
> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , 
> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards 
> (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com, intel, 
> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary card?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.
>
> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that
> doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tom Sharples" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion
> boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
> this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need. I'm
> looking forward to trying it out tho.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
> little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
> my emails without a phone call.
>
> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>>> I really think you'll love ImageStream...
>>>   
>> I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
>> inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
>> happy.
>>
>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
>> subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
>> to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
>> of pfSense 1.2.3.
>>
>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
>> go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
>> manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
>> OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
>>
>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
>> an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
>> your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
>> for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
>> have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
>> them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
>> busted."
>>
>> Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
>>
>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
>> it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
>> it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
>> cost :
>>
>> pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
>> pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth
>>
>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
>>   $600 e-bay.  3 eth
>>
>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
>> horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
>> beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
>> TransPort.
>>
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 
> Scott
>
> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1
> peer.
> I am awaiting that fix myself.
>   
 In the GUI anyway.

 1. mount -u -w /

 2. vi config file

 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated to
   handle more peers.

 That's why I love pfSense, if the GUI doesn't support it, I can still
 make it work.

 I only need one peer for now.  The only reason it needs to speak BGP is
 so I can announce a subset of our ARIN space to the transit provider.

 I've been tempted to just pkg_add quagga.  But my long term goal is to
 not be the only guy here who can manage the network.

 
> I love PFSENSE -  Ch

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Josh Luthman]

They will work with a card you can find anywhere, not sure exactly which.

My Rebel has a 00:90:FB::

So I would look at this site

http://www.portwell.com/index.htm

and find the router that looks the same.  Look at the specs of it and use
the same chipset.  Otherwise I'd have to guess that they're Intel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Tom Sharples  wrote:

> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) ,
> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards
> (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com,
> intel,
> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary
> card?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom DeReggi" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.
>
> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that
> doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Sharples" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion
> boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
> this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need.
> I'm
> looking forward to trying it out tho.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?
>
>
> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
> little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
> my emails without a phone call.
>
> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> I really think you'll love ImageStream...
> >
> > I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
> > inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
> > happy.
> >
> > I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
> > currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
> > subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
> > to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
> > of pfSense 1.2.3.
> >
> > I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
> > Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
> > go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
> > manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
> > OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
> >
> > Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
> > an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
> > your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
> > for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
> > have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
> > them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
> > busted."
> >
> > Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
> > manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
> > they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
> >
> > The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
> > it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
> > it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
> > cost :
> >
> > pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
> > pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth
> >
> > ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
> >   $600 e-bay.  3 eth
> >
> > We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
> > horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
> > beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
> > TransPort.
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
> >> > > Scott
> >> > >
> >> > > One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1
> >> > > peer.
> >> > > I am awaiting that fix myself.
> >> >
> >> > In the GUI anyway.
> >> >
> >> > 1. mount -u -w /
> >> >
> >> > 2. vi config file
> >> >
> >> > 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated to
> >> >   handle more peers.
> >> >
> >> > T

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[RickG]

In the past I've seen the same "conversion" with other radios. So, the
question is: Is it legal?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> Apparently there is a way to make P9 SM's into AP's.  This was discussed in 
> great detail many months back.  WirelessUnits had someone working for him 
> that was selling the script to do it...but I think he has since been fired.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>
> Speaking of Canopy - what is this?
>
> From: MotoAirwave Inc [mailto:motoairw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: Rick
> Subject: Subscriber Module To Advantage Access Point Or Backhaul
>
> Hello,
>
> This is to inform you that there is a program available to convert any 
> Platform 9, any frequency Subscriber Module to an Advantage Access Point or 
> Backhaul.  This program works through simple telnet commands.
>  It is only available for a short time.  If you are interested, please 
> respond.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>    Quicklink will treat you right.
>>
>>    I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for
>> awhile as well.
>>
>>    Justin
>>
>> --
>> Justin Wilson 
>> http://www.mtin.net/blog
>> Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Chuck Hogg 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400
>> To: , WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>>
>> QuickLink Wireless can help you out.  We're a vendor member as well.
>> We also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango.  Talk
>> to DJ at 800-405-9865.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Dan Ferguson
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>>
>> We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will
>> need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would
>> like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Dan
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> --
>> --
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> --
>> --
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> --
>> --
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://l

Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[RickG]

Thats leads me to a question. I note RB's website specs for the 450G says:
Actual tested throughput Ether1 <-> Ether2 = 1Gbps
Ether2 <-> Ether3 = 650Mbps 1Gbps throughput on ports 1-2

Is the 750 the same?
Also, what does "optional Switch Chip functionality for wire speed
Gigabit throughput." mean?
This is interesting as well:
"Comparing to RB750, the G version adds not only Gigabit capable ports, but
a new 680MHz Atheros 7161 CPU for increased throughput. Up to 580Mbps
throughout with larger packets, and up to 91500pps with small packets!"

-RickG

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Dylan Bouterse  wrote:
> Two 750Gs back to back with a cat 5 only got 300-400Mb in a test we just
> did recently. I'm interested to see if you are able to get something
> better.
>
> Dylan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open
>
> I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
> a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
> see if it's up to snuff.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Marco
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)

[Tom Sharples]

Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , 
unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards 
(sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com, intel, 
whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary card?

Thanks,

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal.
A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new.

(Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that
doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Sharples" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion
boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what
this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need. I'm
looking forward to trying it out tho.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?


Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues.  Need to push a
little bit and use the phone.  To this day I've not had a response to
my emails without a phone call.

On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I really think you'll love ImageStream...
>
> I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we
> inherited.  Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty
> happy.
>
> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is
> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple
> subnets on the same interface.  The shellcmd plugin lets me have a GUI
> to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface configuration GUI
> of pfSense 1.2.3.
>
> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the
> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have to
> go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway newip
> manually.  Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and can't get
> OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box.
>
> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work.  I don't know if that is
> an indication that I have bad hardware or what.  Using suspect gear for
> your first experience with a platform is probably not the best situation
> for figuring out what is what.  The other 4 inherited TransPorts all
> have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't been able to use
> them.  I can't point to anything on the other three that screams "I'm
> busted."
>
> Having to reboot is really annoying.  Having to use the shell to
> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at least
> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility.
>
> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the ImageStreams is,
> it would take me much longer to train guys to run the ImageStreams than
> it will take to train them to run pfSense.  The secondary problem is
> cost :
>
> pfSense on Alix:  $204 3 eth
> pfSense on soekris:   $275-350 4 eth
>
> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth
>   $600 e-bay.  3 eth
>
> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed.  More
> horsepower would be wasted.  The BGP running pfSense box is a bit
> beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a new
> TransPort.
>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > > One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1
>> > > peer.
>> > > I am awaiting that fix myself.
>> >
>> > In the GUI anyway.
>> >
>> > 1. mount -u -w /
>> >
>> > 2. vi config file
>> >
>> > 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated to
>> >   handle more peers.
>> >
>> > That's why I love pfSense, if the GUI doesn't support it, I can still
>> > make it work.
>> >
>> > I only need one peer for now.  The only reason it needs to speak BGP is
>> > so I can announce a subset of our ARIN space to the transit provider.
>> >
>> > I've been tempted to just pkg_add quagga.  But my long term goal is to
>> > not be the only guy here who can manage the network.
>> >
>> > > I love PFSENSE -  Chris has done an awesome job on that project.
>> >
>> > Durn tootin'.  Chris and that other Scott, and Ermal and . . .
>> >
>> > --
>> > Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix
>> > SysAdmin
>> > lamb...@lambertfam.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > WISPA Wants You! Join tod

[WISPA] ADP Flooding

[Forbes Mercy]

I'm trying to limit my ADP (Attack Detection Limit) by putting in the 
following settings:

Client connection limit:90
Client failure limit:60
Client warning limit:50
Blocked client action: Drop
Unblocking time: 5min

I think this may help stop the flooding that is jeopardizing the 
network.  I'm a little confused if those settings go into Mikrotik AP's 
(bridged) or my Vyatta NAT server.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Forbes



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[RickG]

Darn! Need something just like that only for normal polarity.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
> That is different than the 600ss. The 600ss is made by Transtector for
> Motorola and is a Moto part. The one I linked is made by WB Mfg (Chuck
> McCown). I would imagine it only works with Canopy/Trango 24V reverse
> polarity PoE.
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> Is this the same thing?
>> http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=600SS&eq=&Tp=
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
>>  wrote:
>>> This is for Canopy radios:
>>>
>>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>>>
>>> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection.
>>> Weatherproof enclosure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Shoemaker
>>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
 You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
 have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
 boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
 Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
 didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
 is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
 prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
 benefit along with ease of access.
 At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
 not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
 out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
 -RickG

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
  wrote:
> Rick-
> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing 
> model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation 
> time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't 
> really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 
> never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by 
> lighting.
>
> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the 
> customer isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may 
> be the problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need 
> to, and the customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" 
> that we made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  
> The adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to 
> customer's power supply in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the 
> radio and the remaining RJ45 port has access to the network only (PoE 
> pins removed) for use in your laptop.
>
> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>
> `S
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>
> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
> depend on the customer to be there?
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>  wrote:
>> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
>> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or 
>> even on the right track?
>> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>>
>> Thanks,
>> `S
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[Chuck Hogg]

Apparently there is a way to make P9 SM's into AP's.  This was discussed in 
great detail many months back.  WirelessUnits had someone working for him that 
was selling the script to do it...but I think he has since been fired.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

Speaking of Canopy - what is this?

From: MotoAirwave Inc [mailto:motoairw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:13 PM
To: Rick
Subject: Subscriber Module To Advantage Access Point Or Backhaul

Hello,

This is to inform you that there is a program available to convert any Platform 
9, any frequency Subscriber Module to an Advantage Access Point or Backhaul.  
This program works through simple telnet commands.
 It is only available for a short time.  If you are interested, please respond.

Thank you.


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>    Quicklink will treat you right.
>
>    I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for 
> awhile as well.
>
>    Justin
>
> --
> Justin Wilson 
> http://www.mtin.net/blog
> Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support
>
>
>
> From: Chuck Hogg 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400
> To: , WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>
> QuickLink Wireless can help you out.  We're a vendor member as well.  
> We also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango.  Talk 
> to DJ at 800-405-9865.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Dan Ferguson
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>
> We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will 
> need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would 
> like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Dan
>
>
> --
> --
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> --
> --
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> --
> --
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> --
> --
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
> --
> --
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> --
> --
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Marco Coelho]

I just pulled 780 between Texas and California

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Dylan Bouterse  wrote:
> Two 750Gs back to back with a cat 5 only got 300-400Mb in a test we just
> did recently. I'm interested to see if you are able to get something
> better.
>
> Dylan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open
>
> I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
> a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
> see if it's up to snuff.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Marco
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Patrick Shoemaker]

You're welcome. I think the filter will do the trick. I can't find a 
datasheet for that patricular model, but since it's for automotive use 
it probably knocks down AM radio frequencies and thus will attenuate the 
higher FM frequencies even better.

Since your power line is directly connected to the power pairs in the 
cat-5, I'd say it's very likely that's the source of your ethernet 
errors. The run up the tower is coupling to the FM antenna and 
re-radiating all that RF back inside your nicely sealed enclosure system.


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Patrick-
> Got everything except the EMI gasket - didn't know that existed but sounds 
> cool.  I've looked into http://www.zero-ground.com/ for the liquid tight but 
> went with cheap-o hardware store instead.  Not a PoE switch, "hacked" as you 
> say - but in a professional way. (:  Canopy Cyclone APs encased in metal 
> housings, grounded and all the good stuff..
> 
> Thanks for your help - I just didn't know if that filter would be any benefit 
> at all or not, I'll give it a shot and see how we do, thanks again.
> 
> `S
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
> 
> Yes, I'd start by putting that filter you found on the incoming power to 
> the switch enclosure. Also,
> 
> -Make sure the door is bonded to the enclosure cabinet with a ground 
> strap at minimum, preferably metal EMI gasket around door seal also
> 
> -Keep the size of any enclosure penetrations to a minimum, though at FM 
> frequencies you should be okay here
> 
> -Make sure the liquid tight is bonded to the enclosure and APs
> 
> -Make sure AP cases are bonded to enclosure through equipment grounds
> 
> -You're using shielded RJ45's at both ends of the STP between switch and 
> APs, right? Is this a PoE switch or is there some hacking of the 
> ethernet cables going on to inject power for the APs?
> 
> What kind of APs?
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>> Installing APs on a FM tower.  Fiber from base of tower > fib/copper switch 
>> at AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from fib/copper 
>> switch NEMA enclosure to APs.  APs are getting eth port errors when in 
>> 100FDX, locking in 10FDX solves the issue.  
>>
>> 24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite beads 
>> on both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem remains.  
>> Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have issues.  I believe 
>> the majority of EMI is entering through the power cable.  I did not run a 
>> shielded power cable or power through coax or anything intelligent like that 
>> - just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable.  So I'm looking for something to 
>> just drain off any conducted FM EMI off that 24VDC power line before it gets 
>> injected directly on the CAT5 that feeds those APs.
>>
>> Thanks for reading!
>> `S
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>
>> Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the 
>> trick for DC power. For ethernet, the "WISP approved" method seems to be 
>> adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this 
>> myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve...
>>
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
>> Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>>> Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>>
>>> This is for Canopy radios:
>>>
>>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>>>
>>> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
>>> Weatherproof enclosure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Shoemaker
>>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>>
>>>
>>> RickG wrote:
 Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
 You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
 have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
 boom, boo

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Patrick-
Got everything except the EMI gasket - didn't know that existed but sounds 
cool.  I've looked into http://www.zero-ground.com/ for the liquid tight but 
went with cheap-o hardware store instead.  Not a PoE switch, "hacked" as you 
say - but in a professional way. (:  Canopy Cyclone APs encased in metal 
housings, grounded and all the good stuff..

Thanks for your help - I just didn't know if that filter would be any benefit 
at all or not, I'll give it a shot and see how we do, thanks again.

`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

Yes, I'd start by putting that filter you found on the incoming power to 
the switch enclosure. Also,

-Make sure the door is bonded to the enclosure cabinet with a ground 
strap at minimum, preferably metal EMI gasket around door seal also

-Keep the size of any enclosure penetrations to a minimum, though at FM 
frequencies you should be okay here

-Make sure the liquid tight is bonded to the enclosure and APs

-Make sure AP cases are bonded to enclosure through equipment grounds

-You're using shielded RJ45's at both ends of the STP between switch and 
APs, right? Is this a PoE switch or is there some hacking of the 
ethernet cables going on to inject power for the APs?

What kind of APs?

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Installing APs on a FM tower.  Fiber from base of tower > fib/copper switch 
> at AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from fib/copper 
> switch NEMA enclosure to APs.  APs are getting eth port errors when in 
> 100FDX, locking in 10FDX solves the issue.  
> 
> 24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite beads 
> on both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem remains.  
> Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have issues.  I believe 
> the majority of EMI is entering through the power cable.  I did not run a 
> shielded power cable or power through coax or anything intelligent like that 
> - just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable.  So I'm looking for something to just 
> drain off any conducted FM EMI off that 24VDC power line before it gets 
> injected directly on the CAT5 that feeds those APs.
> 
> Thanks for reading!
> `S
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
> 
> Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the 
> trick for DC power. For ethernet, the "WISP approved" method seems to be 
> adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this 
> myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve...
> 
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>> Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>
>> This is for Canopy radios:
>>
>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>>
>> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
>> Weatherproof enclosure.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>>> benefit along with ease of access.
>>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Rick-
 Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing 
 model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation 
 time etc. t

Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Dylan Bouterse]

Two 750Gs back to back with a cat 5 only got 300-400Mb in a test we just
did recently. I'm interested to see if you are able to get something
better.

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
see if it's up to snuff.

Thanks in advance.

Marco

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Yes, I'd start by putting that filter you found on the incoming power to 
the switch enclosure. Also,

-Make sure the door is bonded to the enclosure cabinet with a ground 
strap at minimum, preferably metal EMI gasket around door seal also

-Keep the size of any enclosure penetrations to a minimum, though at FM 
frequencies you should be okay here

-Make sure the liquid tight is bonded to the enclosure and APs

-Make sure AP cases are bonded to enclosure through equipment grounds

-You're using shielded RJ45's at both ends of the STP between switch and 
APs, right? Is this a PoE switch or is there some hacking of the 
ethernet cables going on to inject power for the APs?

What kind of APs?

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Installing APs on a FM tower.  Fiber from base of tower > fib/copper switch 
> at AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from fib/copper 
> switch NEMA enclosure to APs.  APs are getting eth port errors when in 
> 100FDX, locking in 10FDX solves the issue.  
> 
> 24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite beads 
> on both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem remains.  
> Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have issues.  I believe 
> the majority of EMI is entering through the power cable.  I did not run a 
> shielded power cable or power through coax or anything intelligent like that 
> - just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable.  So I'm looking for something to just 
> drain off any conducted FM EMI off that 24VDC power line before it gets 
> injected directly on the CAT5 that feeds those APs.
> 
> Thanks for reading!
> `S
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
> 
> Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the 
> trick for DC power. For ethernet, the "WISP approved" method seems to be 
> adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this 
> myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve...
> 
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>> Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>
>> This is for Canopy radios:
>>
>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>>
>> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
>> Weatherproof enclosure.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>>> benefit along with ease of access.
>>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Rick-
 Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing 
 model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation 
 time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't 
 really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 
 never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by 
 lighting.

 That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
 isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
 problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and 
 the customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we 
 made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The 
 adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's 
 power supply in home) - the short 

Re: [WISPA] Airspan consent decree

[Leon D. Zetekoff]

On 04/15/2010 03:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> So their firmware allowed people to disable DFS in the 5.4 GHz band.  They 
> got a $10k fine and fixed the issue.
>
> Correct?
>   
looks that way mike but at least the feds are going after folks doing
the wrong thing
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:18 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] Airspan consent decree
>
>   
>>  AIRSPAN NETWORKS (ISRAEL), LTD.   Adopted a Consent Decree in this
>> proceeding. Terminated the Investigation. Action by:  Chief, Spectrum
>> Enforcement Division, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted:  04/14/2010 by
>> Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 10-618).  EB
>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.doc
>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.pdf
>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.txt
>> 



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Patrick Shoemaker]

That is different than the 600ss. The 600ss is made by Transtector for 
Motorola and is a Moto part. The one I linked is made by WB Mfg (Chuck 
McCown). I would imagine it only works with Canopy/Trango 24V reverse 
polarity PoE.

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


RickG wrote:
> Is this the same thing?
> http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=600SS&eq=&Tp=
> 
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
>  wrote:
>> This is for Canopy radios:
>>
>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>>
>> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection.
>> Weatherproof enclosure.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>>> benefit along with ease of access.
>>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Rick-
 Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing 
 model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation 
 time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't 
 really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 
 never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by 
 lighting.

 That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
 isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
 problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and 
 the customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we 
 made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The 
 adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's 
 power supply in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the 
 remaining RJ45 port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for 
 use in your laptop.

 Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
 also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.

 `S


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

 This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
 Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
 in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
 ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
 depend on the customer to be there?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
  wrote:
> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even 
> on the right track?
> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http://signup.wispa.org/
 

 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/




 
 WISPA Wants You! Joi

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[RickG]

Is this the same thing?
http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=600SS&eq=&Tp=

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
> This is for Canopy radios:
>
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>
> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection.
> Weatherproof enclosure.
>
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>> benefit along with ease of access.
>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Rick-
>>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
>>> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
>>> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
>>> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
>>> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>>>
>>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
>>> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
>>> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
>>> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - 
>>> it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is 
>>> placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply 
>>> in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 
>>> port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your 
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
>>> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>>
>>> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
>>> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
>>> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
>>> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
>>> depend on the customer to be there?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
 Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even 
 on the right track?
 http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9

 Thanks,
 `S


 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http://signup.wispa.org/
 

 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> ---

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[RickG]

That's what I'm talking about! Is it proprietary or does it work with
Ubiquiti POE?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
 wrote:
> This is for Canopy radios:
>
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
>
> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection.
> Weatherproof enclosure.
>
>
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>> benefit along with ease of access.
>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Rick-
>>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
>>> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
>>> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
>>> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
>>> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>>>
>>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
>>> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
>>> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
>>> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - 
>>> it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is 
>>> placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply 
>>> in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 
>>> port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your 
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
>>> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>>
>>> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
>>> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
>>> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
>>> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
>>> depend on the customer to be there?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
 Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even 
 on the right track?
 http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9

 Thanks,
 `S


 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http://signup.wispa.org/
 

 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> --

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Dennis Burgess]

man. . must be an interesting tower.  We have a 400 foot install, at a
100,000 watt FM transmitter.  400 foot Copper 110v going up in plastic
flex conduit, UV rated.  Then into a box at 400 foot, switch and
Mid-span injector.  But we do use the good Shreen Shielded cat5s and
Shielded cat5 ends from the Mid-span to the radios.  Going down the
tower we have the same cable in the same conduit with power, at 450 foot
linking at 100 meg never had an issue with it.

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCUME 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

Installing APs on a FM tower.  Fiber from base of tower > fib/copper
switch at AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from
fib/copper switch NEMA enclosure to APs.  APs are getting eth port
errors when in 100FDX, locking in 10FDX solves the issue.  

24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite
beads on both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem
remains.  Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have
issues.  I believe the majority of EMI is entering through the power
cable.  I did not run a shielded power cable or power through coax or
anything intelligent like that - just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable.
So I'm looking for something to just drain off any conducted FM EMI off
that 24VDC power line before it gets injected directly on the CAT5 that
feeds those APs.

Thanks for reading!
`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the 
trick for DC power. For ethernet, the "WISP approved" method seems to be

adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this

myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to
solve...


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
> 
> This is for Canopy radios:
> 
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
> 
> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
> Weatherproof enclosure.
> 
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> RickG wrote:
>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I
also
>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>> benefit along with ease of access.
>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a
device
>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Rick-
>>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our
pricing model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus
installation time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.
Lighting isn't really a problem where we are (California) - Since we
started in 2002 never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively
affected by lighting.
>>>
>>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the
customer isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may
be the problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need
to, and the customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter"
that we made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.
The adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to
customer's power supply in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the
radio and the remaini

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[RickG]

Speaking of Canopy - what is this?

From: MotoAirwave Inc [mailto:motoairw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:13 PM
To: Rick
Subject: Subscriber Module To Advantage Access Point Or Backhaul

Hello,

This is to inform you that there is a program available to convert any
Platform 9, any frequency Subscriber Module to an Advantage Access
Point or Backhaul.  This program works through simple telnet commands.
 It is only available for a short time.  If you are interested, please
respond.

Thank you.


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>    Quicklink will treat you right.
>
>    I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile
> as well.
>
>    Justin
>
> --
> Justin Wilson 
> http://www.mtin.net/blog
> Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support
>
>
>
> From: Chuck Hogg 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400
> To: , WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>
> QuickLink Wireless can help you out.  We're a vendor member as well.  We
> also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango.  Talk to DJ
> at 800-405-9865.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Dan Ferguson
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
>
> We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need
> to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to
> receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Dan
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Installing APs on a FM tower.  Fiber from base of tower > fib/copper switch at 
AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from fib/copper switch 
NEMA enclosure to APs.  APs are getting eth port errors when in 100FDX, locking 
in 10FDX solves the issue.  

24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite beads on 
both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem remains.  
Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have issues.  I believe 
the majority of EMI is entering through the power cable.  I did not run a 
shielded power cable or power through coax or anything intelligent like that - 
just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable.  So I'm looking for something to just 
drain off any conducted FM EMI off that 24VDC power line before it gets 
injected directly on the CAT5 that feeds those APs.

Thanks for reading!
`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the 
trick for DC power. For ethernet, the "WISP approved" method seems to be 
adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this 
myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve...


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
> 
> This is for Canopy radios:
> 
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
> 
> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
> Weatherproof enclosure.
> 
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> RickG wrote:
>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>> benefit along with ease of access.
>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Rick-
>>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
>>> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
>>> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
>>> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
>>> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>>>
>>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
>>> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
>>> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
>>> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - 
>>> it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is 
>>> placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply 
>>> in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 
>>> port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your 
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
>>> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>>
>>> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
>>> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
>>> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
>>> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
>>> depend on the customer to be there?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Looking to filter conducted FM

Re: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65

[Josh Luthman]

On the motorola forum (from what I gather) it's basically comes down to:

Why bother?

LTE looks to be replacing it, the software end of things is just absolutely
awful, but if it was free it would get the job done.  Not as well as the
pmp430, though...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Don Renner  wrote:

> We started testing this week.
> Don Renner
> NetsurfUSA
> dren...@netsurfusa.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:01 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65
>
> Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm mostly
> interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Josh Luthman]

Torrents will fill capacity much better.  Centos, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
etc.  Share the wealth!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

> I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
> a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
> see if it's up to snuff.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Marco
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65

[Don Renner]

We started testing this week.
Don Renner
NetsurfUSA
dren...@netsurfusa.net

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:01 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65

Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm mostly
interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub

Kevin




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65

[Jeremie Chism]

There is a webinar by motorola on the 20th.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:01 PM, "Kevin Sullivan"  wrote:

> Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm  
> mostly interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub
>
> Kevin
>
>
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Canopy 3.65

[Kevin Sullivan]

Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm mostly 
interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub

Kevin



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] looking for iperf test site with 1G open

[Marco Coelho]

I'm looking for someone with at least 1Gb/s of unused bandwidth to do
a few iperf tests against.  I just lit up some new fiber and want to
see if it's up to snuff.

Thanks in advance.

Marco

-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Bridge Network - ARP Poisioning

[Josh Luthman]

If you have such a small window (but you know when it is, that's a good
thing!) just ping one of the hosts that go down and then see what MAC
address comes up instead of the right one.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Forbes Mercy
wrote:

> We have the same thing happening every morning this week (always between
> 8:53 to 9:15AM), it takes down two to four towers, all mikrotik
> (figures).  Wireshark has been inconclusive so upon the advice here I
> installed arpwatch.  As far as I can see arp requests, but not arp
> responses, and only broadcast udp or tcp packets. The latter 2 are not
> something that arp watch will tell you about though.  If it's arp
> traffic I need as a response and this program won't help what can be
> done about that?
>
> Forbes
>
> On 4/14/2010 8:49 PM, Charles Hooper wrote:
> > If you find out which MAC is the "offender" you can follow your
> > bridging/MAC address tables back to the source of the chaos. It's
> > possible that the MAC is spoofed, as well, but you should at least be
> > able to figure out a general idea of which AP the attacks are coming in
> > from.
> >
> > You can find out which MAC is doing this either by running a sniffer or
> > running a piece of software on the bridge called "arpwatch"
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Charles Hooper
> >
> >
> > tfad...@coastinet.com wrote:
> >
> >>   H E L P !
> >>
> >>   I need help, I am one of those people who SOMEDAY is going
> >> to  implement a routed network.  I am  now suffering from
> >> hackers ARP spoofing and bringing down customers, parts of
> >> my  network and "man in the middle" attacks. I am the man in
> >> the middle, so they can  capture my passwords!
> >>
> >>   I have about 700 subscribers on a one bridge network.  I
> >> need help stopping the attacks and  then help with
> >> implementing a routed network that can be managed and find
> >> mischievous customers in the future.
> >>
> >>   I do not have this expertise and looking for  help.
> >>
> >>   tfad...@yahoo.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> >> http://signup.wispa.org/
> >>
> 
> >>
> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
> >>
> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> >>
> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > http://signup.wispa.org/
> >
> 
> >
> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
> >
> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> >
> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Bridge Network - ARP Poisioning

[Forbes Mercy]

We have the same thing happening every morning this week (always between 
8:53 to 9:15AM), it takes down two to four towers, all mikrotik 
(figures).  Wireshark has been inconclusive so upon the advice here I 
installed arpwatch.  As far as I can see arp requests, but not arp 
responses, and only broadcast udp or tcp packets. The latter 2 are not 
something that arp watch will tell you about though.  If it's arp 
traffic I need as a response and this program won't help what can be 
done about that?

Forbes

On 4/14/2010 8:49 PM, Charles Hooper wrote:
> If you find out which MAC is the "offender" you can follow your
> bridging/MAC address tables back to the source of the chaos. It's
> possible that the MAC is spoofed, as well, but you should at least be
> able to figure out a general idea of which AP the attacks are coming in
> from.
>
> You can find out which MAC is doing this either by running a sniffer or
> running a piece of software on the bridge called "arpwatch"
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Regards,
> Charles Hooper
>
>
> tfad...@coastinet.com wrote:
>
>>   H E L P !
>>
>>   I need help, I am one of those people who SOMEDAY is going
>> to  implement a routed network.  I am  now suffering from
>> hackers ARP spoofing and bringing down customers, parts of
>> my  network and "man in the middle" attacks. I am the man in
>> the middle, so they can  capture my passwords!
>>
>>   I have about 700 subscribers on a one bridge network.  I
>> need help stopping the attacks and  then help with
>> implementing a routed network that can be managed and find
>> mischievous customers in the future.
>>
>>   I do not have this expertise and looking for  help.
>>
>>   tfad...@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>>  
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Airspan consent decree

[Mike Hammett]

So their firmware allowed people to disable DFS in the 5.4 GHz band.  They 
got a $10k fine and fixed the issue.

Correct?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Leon D. Zetekoff" 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:18 AM
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Airspan consent decree

>  AIRSPAN NETWORKS (ISRAEL), LTD.   Adopted a Consent Decree in this
> proceeding. Terminated the Investigation. Action by:  Chief, Spectrum
> Enforcement Division, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted:  04/14/2010 by
> Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 10-618).  EB
> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.doc
> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.pdf
> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.txt
>



>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2812 - Release Date: 04/15/10 
> 02:31:00
>



>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the 
trick for DC power. For ethernet, the "WISP approved" method seems to be 
adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this 
myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve...


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
> 
> This is for Canopy radios:
> 
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor
> 
> Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
> Weatherproof enclosure.
> 
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> RickG wrote:
>> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
>> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
>> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
>> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
>> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
>> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
>> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
>> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
>> benefit along with ease of access.
>> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
>> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
>> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Rick-
>>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
>>> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
>>> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
>>> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
>>> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>>>
>>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
>>> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
>>> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
>>> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - 
>>> it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is 
>>> placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply 
>>> in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 
>>> port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your 
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
>>> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>>
>>> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
>>> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
>>> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
>>> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
>>> depend on the customer to be there?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>>  wrote:
 Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
 Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even 
 on the right track?
 http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9

 Thanks,
 `S


 
 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
 http://signup.wispa.org/
 

 WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

 Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
 http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

 Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

This is for Canopy radios:

http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor

Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
Weatherproof enclosure.


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


RickG wrote:
> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
> benefit along with ease of access.
> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
> -RickG
> 
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>  wrote:
>> Rick-
>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
>> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
>> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
>> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
>> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>>
>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
>> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
>> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
>> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - it 
>> has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is placed 
>> in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply in home) 
>> - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 port has 
>> access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your laptop.
>>
>> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
>> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>>
>> `S
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>
>> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
>> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
>> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
>> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
>> depend on the customer to be there?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
>>> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even 
>>> on the right track?
>>> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
> 
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> -

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Patrick Shoemaker]

This is for Canopy radios:

http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor

Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. 
Weatherproof enclosure.


Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


RickG wrote:
> Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
> You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
> have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
> boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
> Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
> didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
> is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
> prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
> benefit along with ease of access.
> At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
> not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
> out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
> -RickG
> 
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
>  wrote:
>> Rick-
>> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
>> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
>> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
>> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
>> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>>
>> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
>> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
>> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
>> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - it 
>> has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is placed 
>> in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply in home) 
>> - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 port has 
>> access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your laptop.
>>
>> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and 
>> also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>>
>> `S
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>>
>> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
>> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
>> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
>> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
>> depend on the customer to be there?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>>  wrote:
>>> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
>>> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even 
>>> on the right track?
>>> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> 
>>>
>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>>
>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
> 
> 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>  
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
> 
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> 
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/


---

[WISPA] Philly

[Jeff Ehman]

If anyone in or around Philly has some time this afternoon, we have a Canopy 
10mbps link for a customer that is down.  It was configured properly when it 
was sent out, something went wrong on their install.

Anyone want to get back for 3-4 hours service in Philly this afternoon?  If so, 
give me a call.

-Jeff

Jeffrey S. Ehman
General Manager
jeh...@cticonnect.com
cell: 630-768-2042  *  office: 312-205-2509  *  fax 773 326-4641
   [cid:image001.gif@01CADC9B.D11D2430]  
   [cid:image002.jpg@01CADC9B.D11D2430]
16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 
60527
 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773-326-4641

"There is a Difference"



<><>


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[Justin Wilson]

Quicklink will treat you right.

I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile
as well.

Justin

-- 
Justin Wilson 
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support



From: Chuck Hogg 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400
To: , WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

QuickLink Wireless can help you out.  We're a vendor member as well.  We
also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango.  Talk to DJ
at 800-405-9865.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dan Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need
to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to
receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.

Thanks,

- Dan




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/




WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[RickG]

Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most.
You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must
have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom,
boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics).
Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also
didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which
is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too
prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side
benefit along with ease of access.
At any rate, you're "maintenance adapter" is right on target but I'm
not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device
out there that incorporates these features and is factory made.
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
 wrote:
> Rick-
> Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
> doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. 
> to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a 
> problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a 
> single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.
>
> That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
> isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the 
> problem) or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the 
> customer isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - it 
> has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is placed 
> in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply in home) - 
> the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 port has 
> access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your laptop.
>
> Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and also 
> you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.
>
> `S
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
>
> This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
> Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
> in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
> ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
> depend on the customer to be there?
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
>  wrote:
>>
>> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
>> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even on 
>> the right track?
>> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>>
>> Thanks,
>> `S
>>
>>
>> 
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> 
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] iPad now banned in Israel because of the integrated Wi-Fi

[Robert West]

iPad being confiscated in Israel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/14/israel-blocks-ipad-import_n_537841.
html






WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Rick-
Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..).  Our pricing model 
doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. to 
install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer.  Lighting isn't really a problem 
where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a single tower, 
customer, anything negatively affected by lighting.

That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer 
isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the problem) 
or their power supply for the radio etc.  When we need to, and the customer 
isn't home - we have simple "maintenance adapter" that we made - it has two 
RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out.  The adapter is placed in-line 
between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply in home) - the short 
CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 port has access to the 
network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your laptop.

Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and also 
you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes.

`S


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
depend on the customer to be there?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
 wrote:
>
> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even on 
> the right track?
> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering

[RickG]

This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector.
Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP
in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an
ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to
depend on the customer to be there?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
 wrote:
>
> Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies 
> Canopy APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even on 
> the right track?
> http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9
>
> Thanks,
> `S
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[RickG]

I've been very impressed with QuickLink Wireless
www.quicklinkwireless.com is a WISP and has a vast knowledge of
Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango.  Call DJ
at 800-405-9865.
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Dan Ferguson  wrote:
> We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need
> to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to
> receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Dan
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] Airspan consent decree

[Leon D. Zetekoff]

 AIRSPAN NETWORKS (ISRAEL), LTD.   Adopted a Consent Decree in this
proceeding. Terminated the Investigation. Action by:  Chief, Spectrum
Enforcement Division, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted:  04/14/2010 by
Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 10-618).  EB
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.txt

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2812 - Release Date: 04/15/10 
02:31:00



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[David Hannum]

Altius Communications in Phoenix, MD
Greg Lehman
g...@altiuscomm.com
443.986.2906

We've been using them for over a year now.  Great prices, great customer
service . . .
They are a WISP also.

Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC
www.newerabroadband.com





On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
wrote:

> Last Mile Gear- they sell/make Cyclones, and standard gear plus are a
> wisp = good support.
>
> Thanks,
> ‘S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:16 PM, "Dan Ferguson"  wrote:
>
> > We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will
> > need
> > to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to
> > receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Dan
> >
> >
> > ---
> > ---
> > ---
> > ---
>  > 
> > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> > http://signup.wispa.org/
> > ---
> > ---
> > ---
> > ---
> > 
> >
> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
> >
> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> >
> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

[WISPA] EMI Filtering

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies Canopy 
APs with power.  Would something like this be appropriate, or even on the right 
track?
http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9

Thanks,
`S



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Last Mile Gear- they sell/make Cyclones, and standard gear plus are a  
wisp = good support.

Thanks,
‘S

---
Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:16 PM, "Dan Ferguson"  wrote:

> We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will  
> need
> to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to
> receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Dan
>
>
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> --- 
> 
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

[Dennis Burgess]

Power is easy, several batteries, 12 volt or 18 volt up converters, POE
injectors.  Heck, most of the 411R boards now only run 5watts total!  

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCUME 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Hooper
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

This is kind of the direction I've been leaning towards. Do you have any

more details on the setup? I am particularly interested in the power!


Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Drop in your own bandwidth, and run off generator of batteries.  WE
ran
> an entire festival over a weekend off 4 car batteries, and a 30 foot
> push up pole :)  
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
> MTCTCE, MTCUME 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Charles Hooper
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this
summer.
>
> My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that

> area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so
my 
> thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into

> letting me put some small antennas on their roof. Do you have any tips

> for negotiating these kinds of deals?
>
> Alternatively, I've seen a few people mention using satellite
Internet; 
> I'm wondering who you all use? I've been planning on needing 5Mbps 
> connectivity. Are there other alternatives for what I'm trying to do?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Charles
>
>
>

> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>

> 
>  
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>


> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>


>  
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>   





WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/


 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/

 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/