[WISPA] Service in Germany
Hello, I am trying to find any additional information on deployment in Germany. Aside from the frequency regulations from the EU are there any other regulations that need to be considered when deploying in Germany? I have been looking for a while and thought I should ask to see if anyone here has a link they could share. Thanks, - Dan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service in Germany
you must consider NATIONAL regulations, not generic European regulations Regards Hello, I am trying to find any additional information on deployment in Germany. Aside from the frequency regulations from the EU are there any other regulations that need to be considered when deploying in Germany? I have been looking for a while and thought I should ask to see if anyone here has a link they could share. Thanks, - Dan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900mhz tranzeo gear
Bought a few Tranzeo 900mhz items for testing purposes. Compared it to Canopy 900 and ended up going with the Canopy. Anyways I have the following items that aren't being used if anyone needs them contact me offlist. Items look brand new was only up for a week. 1x TR-902-N 1x TR-SL9-8 1x TR-SL9-N Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
I'm pushing 700 subs nowadays. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties You probably have lots of residential customers that make it worth while. Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Oh man. That would be sooo cool! I think I have 1 or 2 customers over that amount Jeremie. My average bill is around $37.50. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties My typical customer has Internet and 4 phone lines. Low end revenue per customer runs 240 per month. I try to sell our service as a better alternative to cable or dsl. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: You forgot some things in your number crunching Matt. Insurance. Electricity. Labor. Head end hardware. etc. etc. etc. You have to run the calcs on how much you can give your customer based on the ENTIRE cost per customer. Not just the cost per gig. Out here each customer costs us about $10 in office overhead, $10 in infrastructure and $10 in upstream/server costs. I keep about $5 per sub, maybe a bit more these days, we've about doubled since I ran those numbers. So you can REALLY only afford to give the customer $5 to $10 more than the average user or else you are actually loosing money, overall, on the sub. That make sense? marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and check their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional revenue as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't currently have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... abusers are home users. Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing in town very much. We have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds should be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not $200. The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual cost on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for bandwidth ourselves). Justin's response: ** If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me a figure of about $200 per megabit. I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I then compared the difference in value, and chose a MB figure that was at about 50% of what our actual cost would be as the maximum amount of bandwidth allowed. Example. A $400/m 1Mbps customer resold could theoretically consume 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or 494GB/month I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only $49 per month, which is a lot easier - you just take our profit figure of $400/m and divide it by $49 to get roughly 4, so 1/4th of 1.5Mbps which is just about 384kbps. Then I determined what is the maximum amount of bandwidth a 384kbps
Re: [WISPA] Found a spot
Yeah. We have some customers that get what I consider crappy service from us. There's just nothing we can do to make it better. But they are happy because crappy service from us is still cheaper and/or better than any other options they have. We just make sure to set the expectations right when we go in if the situation looks bad (long range, obstructions etc.). If things don't work like I think they should I'll usually give people a 2 or 4 week trial period. I'll not let them pay for the equipment service etc. until they've had time to decided that it'll work or not. We did this for months for one customer. Totally free service for him. I was finally able to get back out to his place to try a different location on the house. It still worked like crap. He finally forked over about $800.00 for a ptp link from him to another location that we could get to. He's now got great service and is a very happy camper. If we'd not have taken the time to work with him like we did he'd not likely have spent the money to install the dedicated link to his place. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Found a spot The 3 worst customers I have are a friend I meet every Friday with for breakfast and 2 relatives. I worked way too hard to get them service and should have just told them no. Instead I get a weekly report of all the things they can't do on our service. I had a friend like this. I stopped having lunch with him until he got the hint. :-) Seriously though it¹s about managing expectations. If you are up front with a potential customer they will thank you for it. If your network can¹t support what you sell then the network needs to be upgraded or what you are selling needs to be re-thought. I am a big fan of firing customers. If the service can't do what they want then they need to move on. I think customers are interested in the following (order varies on customer, competition in area, and other factors) -Quality of service -Pricing -Support -ease of use -Support for non standard things (VPN, P2P, etc.) I think Comcast and the others are learning it¹s not good to block p2p. Instead ding the customer if they go over X amount of gigs a month. Justin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
I have 10 in the $650-700 range. Business voip is the key. It's been an easy sell. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm pushing 700 subs nowadays. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties You probably have lots of residential customers that make it worth while. Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Oh man. That would be sooo cool! I think I have 1 or 2 customers over that amount Jeremie. My average bill is around $37.50. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties My typical customer has Internet and 4 phone lines. Low end revenue per customer runs 240 per month. I try to sell our service as a better alternative to cable or dsl. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: You forgot some things in your number crunching Matt. Insurance. Electricity. Labor. Head end hardware. etc. etc. etc. You have to run the calcs on how much you can give your customer based on the ENTIRE cost per customer. Not just the cost per gig. Out here each customer costs us about $10 in office overhead, $10 in infrastructure and $10 in upstream/server costs. I keep about $5 per sub, maybe a bit more these days, we've about doubled since I ran those numbers. So you can REALLY only afford to give the customer $5 to $10 more than the average user or else you are actually loosing money, overall, on the sub. That make sense? marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and check their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional revenue as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't currently have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... abusers are home users. Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing in town very much. We have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds should be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not $200. The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual cost on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for bandwidth ourselves). Justin's response: ** If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me a figure of about $200 per megabit. I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I then compared the difference in value, and chose a MB figure that was at about 50% of what our actual cost would be as the maximum amount of bandwidth allowed. Example. A $400/m 1Mbps customer resold could theoretically consume 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or 494GB/month I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only
Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks?
I use 5MHz channels and like them. One thing I have worried about, but maybe hasn't been a problem: if someone else is scanning for regular WiFi channels, they won't see my 5MHz ones. So they might pick a channel that overlaps my gear. Generally my S/N ratio is high enough that I haven't noticed this being an issue. Oh, another minor issue is that I don't have a laptop that works with 5 / 10 MHz channels. So if I pull up to one of my grain legs, I have to setup a radio and work thru that. It would be nice to have a regular WiFi channel at the tower for convenience. The StarOS people do have an Atheros driver that supports 5/10MHz channels, but my favorite laptop doesn't have an Atheros radio. On May 9, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Robert West wrote: I have an area that's developed some noise and after watching the spectrum analyzer all week I'm thinking of going to 5MHz channels there. I'm using 5GHz UBNT APs with all MIMO CPEs. I did a test with 5MHz width and was hitting 32.5mbps TX, 13mbps RX throughput so that part is cool but are there any drawbacks with going with 5MHz channels??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks?
Can't you just replace the laptop card with a Ubiquity card? One item I've built and use lately is one radio inside a rootenna, with a power strip and another wireless router fastened to the back plate. The main radio can be set to synch to whatever AP you want, (the ssid any can be convenient) and the second radio lets you connect with your laptop. I just keep that device in my Jeep. It will connect to my towers, or give me brief Internet access when I need it. I can plug in an extension cord and use it as a site survey tool, or plug the cord into an inverter in the car for the second use. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks? I use 5MHz channels and like them. One thing I have worried about, but maybe hasn't been a problem: if someone else is scanning for regular WiFi channels, they won't see my 5MHz ones. So they might pick a channel that overlaps my gear. Generally my S/N ratio is high enough that I haven't noticed this being an issue. Oh, another minor issue is that I don't have a laptop that works with 5 / 10 MHz channels. So if I pull up to one of my grain legs, I have to setup a radio and work thru that. It would be nice to have a regular WiFi channel at the tower for convenience. The StarOS people do have an Atheros driver that supports 5/10MHz channels, but my favorite laptop doesn't have an Atheros radio. On May 9, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Robert West wrote: I have an area that's developed some noise and after watching the spectrum analyzer all week I'm thinking of going to 5MHz channels there. I'm using 5GHz UBNT APs with all MIMO CPEs. I did a test with 5MHz width and was hitting 32.5mbps TX, 13mbps RX throughput so that part is cool but are there any drawbacks with going with 5MHz channels??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks?
I've started putting a 411 board in my AP boxes with a rubber duck antenna at 2.4ghz and a low power setting just so I can roll up and connect to the backhaul cause I'm just plain lazy. Works like a dream though. I used to use a cat5 jack on the side of the box but haven't needed it since the 411 board was stuck in there. Bob- - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks? I use 5MHz channels and like them. One thing I have worried about, but maybe hasn't been a problem: if someone else is scanning for regular WiFi channels, they won't see my 5MHz ones. So they might pick a channel that overlaps my gear. Generally my S/N ratio is high enough that I haven't noticed this being an issue. Oh, another minor issue is that I don't have a laptop that works with 5 / 10 MHz channels. So if I pull up to one of my grain legs, I have to setup a radio and work thru that. It would be nice to have a regular WiFi channel at the tower for convenience. The StarOS people do have an Atheros driver that supports 5/10MHz channels, but my favorite laptop doesn't have an Atheros radio. On May 9, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Robert West wrote: I have an area that's developed some noise and after watching the spectrum analyzer all week I'm thinking of going to 5MHz channels there. I'm using 5GHz UBNT APs with all MIMO CPEs. I did a test with 5MHz width and was hitting 32.5mbps TX, 13mbps RX throughput so that part is cool but are there any drawbacks with going with 5MHz channels??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks?
I replaced mine with some Mikrotik dual band cards . They rock in the laptop, suck up on the AP. Shows me 2.4 and 5ghz. But still, I use the CDMA on the UBNT so they won't talk. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks? Can't you just replace the laptop card with a Ubiquity card? One item I've built and use lately is one radio inside a rootenna, with a power strip and another wireless router fastened to the back plate. The main radio can be set to synch to whatever AP you want, (the ssid any can be convenient) and the second radio lets you connect with your laptop. I just keep that device in my Jeep. It will connect to my towers, or give me brief Internet access when I need it. I can plug in an extension cord and use it as a site survey tool, or plug the cord into an inverter in the car for the second use. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks? I use 5MHz channels and like them. One thing I have worried about, but maybe hasn't been a problem: if someone else is scanning for regular WiFi channels, they won't see my 5MHz ones. So they might pick a channel that overlaps my gear. Generally my S/N ratio is high enough that I haven't noticed this being an issue. Oh, another minor issue is that I don't have a laptop that works with 5 / 10 MHz channels. So if I pull up to one of my grain legs, I have to setup a radio and work thru that. It would be nice to have a regular WiFi channel at the tower for convenience. The StarOS people do have an Atheros driver that supports 5/10MHz channels, but my favorite laptop doesn't have an Atheros radio. On May 9, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Robert West wrote: I have an area that's developed some noise and after watching the spectrum analyzer all week I'm thinking of going to 5MHz channels there. I'm using 5GHz UBNT APs with all MIMO CPEs. I did a test with 5MHz width and was hitting 32.5mbps TX, 13mbps RX throughput so that part is cool but are there any drawbacks with going with 5MHz channels??? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
