Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?

[Eric Merkel]

We've had great success with mt running


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Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?

[Eric Merkel]

Woops hit send before I was done. We've had good luck with mt 4.10. Waiting
for version 5 non-beta before ugrading but 5 looks promising.

Eric

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[WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[~NGL~]

What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M down and 
1M up?


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[Josh Luthman]

You mean Canopy down link? 66 and 33 as that is 2/3.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:38 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

 What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M down
and 1M up?




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

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How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and 1M 
up?
  From: ~NGL~ 
  Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM
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  Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


  What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M down 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[RickG]

Same here.

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such...
> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance
> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a
> reasonable bill..
> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer..
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
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> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill
>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time.
>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of
>> the amount the bill was for.
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[RickG]

How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their
standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a
discount, especially on "in network" doctors.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> We are cash pay.   Regular DR visits are half of what the
> quoted rate is.
>
> Hospital is pretty much the same way.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
>
>
>> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such...
>> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance
>> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a
>> reasonable bill..
>> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer..
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
>>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill
>>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time.
>>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of
>>> the amount the bill was for.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[Josh Luthman]

Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

 How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down
and 1M up?

 *From:* ~NGL~ 
*Sent:* Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


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Re: [WISPA] Generators

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I have been very happy with a propane genset, 450 gal tank, and ASCO
automatic transfer switch.  Propane fuel means never having to worry
about algae or having to put stabilizer in the fuel to keep your carb
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[WISPA] WISPA Member Directory and Map Updated

[Rick Harnish]

The WISPA Member's Directory has been updated.  There are three maps;
Principal Members, Vendor Members and Associate Members.  We have listed the
Company Name, City and State for each company and further details can be
found by clicking on the corresponding map icon.  Please let me know if
there are any mistakes.  Due to capacity limitations on Google Maps, we will
only list one location per company.  There may be a way around the
limitation on number of icons, but we haven't figured that out yet.

 

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[Cameron Crum]

Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for
years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside
un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him
and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his
pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water
(early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or
permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in
the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the
doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down
to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I
would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case
it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the
doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor.
My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian,
paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll
probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the
doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than
to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you
guys posted...

Cameron

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG  wrote:

> How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their
> standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a
> discount, especially on "in network" doctors.
>
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers 
> wrote:
> > We are cash pay.   Regular DR visits are half of what the
> > quoted rate is.
> >
> > Hospital is pretty much the same way.
> >
> >
> > Don't take your organs to heaven,
> > heaven knows we need them down here!
> > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
> >
> >
> >> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such...
> >> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance
> >> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a
> >> reasonable bill..
> >> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer..
> >>
> >> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
> >>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill
> >>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time.
> >>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of
> >>> the amount the bill was for.
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[RickG]

Ya, thats about right. At 300 subs, I'm seeing occasional burst of 20Mbps.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.
>
> On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:
>
> How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
> 1M up?
>
> From: ~NGL~
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers
>
>>
>> What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M
>> down and 1M up?
>
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[RickG]

Well, I'm glad it worked out for you. Hopefully, your Son is fine as well.
Back in 2005 I had a pulmonary embolism attack. Went straight to the
hospital and ended up there for 3 days. I had no insurance and was
between jobs. Final bill was $12k. The hospital would not take one
dime off the bill claiming I owned a business (consulting). That
nearly cleaned out my savings. Sheesh!
Fast forward to more recently: I now have insurance. I've been back to
the hospital after cutting off the tip of my finger with a planar. The
hospital was forced to give the insurance and discounted "in network"
rate which was passed on to me on the final bill.
With that said, my 22 year old Son had a shotgun pellet ricochet into
his shin (dont ask). I took him to a walk-in Urgent Care, told them I
was paying cash and they did give me a cash discount.
So, I guess the results will vary depending on the provider but I'm
not seeing hospitals giving discounts and that the big one if you need
it.


On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for
> years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside
> un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him
> and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his
> pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water
> (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or
> permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in
> the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the
> doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down
> to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I
> would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case
> it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the
> doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor.
> My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian,
> paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll
> probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the
> doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than
> to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you
> guys posted...
>
> Cameron
>
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>> How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their
>> standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a
>> discount, especially on "in network" doctors.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers 
>> wrote:
>> > We are cash pay.   Regular DR visits are half of what the
>> > quoted rate is.
>> >
>> > Hospital is pretty much the same way.
>> >
>> >
>> > Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> > heaven knows we need them down here!
>> > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
>> >
>> >
>> >> That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as
>> >> such...
>> >> Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance
>> >> company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a
>> >> reasonable bill..
>> >> more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer..
>> >>
>> >> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
>> >>> I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill
>> >>> for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time.
>> >>> When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of
>> >>> the amount the bill was for.
>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Marlon K. Schafer]

The best thing I've heard so far is to stay at least 10' below the top of 
the tower.  Often things below that level get missed for some reason.

shrug.

Lighting is a very powerful foe.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Dueck" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked 
>> out.
>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds 
>> the
>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went 
>> away.
>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. 
>> If
>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>> static.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>
>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[RickG]

Same with the CPE side. Stay off the roof if at all possible!

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:
> The best thing I've heard so far is to stay at least 10' below the top of
> the tower.  Often things below that level get missed for some reason.
>
> shrug.
>
> Lighting is a very powerful foe.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Dueck" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
>
>> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>>
>> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
>> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
>> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
>> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
>> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
>> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
>> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
>> goes directly into the limestone.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked
>>> out.
>>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds
>>> the
>>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
>>> away.
>>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
>>> If
>>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>>> static.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>>
>>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We just use the digital loggers units and automate the process.  They know 
when the reboot is needed due to an outage.
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting


>  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
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Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

[Robert West]

Yeah.  I've been hip to the UP factor for quite a while.  Very good reason
to ground it all.  No need to promote a strike..

 

Strike?  MY FAULT!

 

Joe-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

 

Man, that was on a recent discovery/science channel show about lighting.
Kewl stuff.  They talked about how most of this went "up" vs "down" i.e. you
see the trail starting up from a tower or tree in some cases vs how most
people see it come down.Acutally, once you get done with the video ::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnIStJ7OY6w
 &NR=1 

 

 

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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

 

I'll hang out and be in awe.  Then  again, I am lacking in brain cells.

 

Me-

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

 

High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this
century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there,
ever!

On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiA

&feature=topvideos

 

Crazy.






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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

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My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on
the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video
service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will
determine your final ratio.

 

Bob-

 

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
1M up?

From: ~NGL~   

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM

To: WISPA General List   

Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


>
> What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M
down and 1M up?

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

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We are at about 24 customers per meg at peak.

 

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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends
on the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other
HD video service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only
thing that will determine your final ratio.

 

Bob-

 

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver
2M down and 1M up?

From: ~NGL~   

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM

To: WISPA General List   

Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


>
> What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Robert West]

NEVER THE TOP!

Top starts with T and that rhymes with me and I'm TROUBLE!

Trouble with a capital T.

Happens.  Sorry.  Been a long month.

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

The best thing I've heard so far is to stay at least 10' below the top of
the tower.  Often things below that level get missed for some reason.

shrug.

Lighting is a very powerful foe.
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Dueck" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked 
>> out.
>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds 
>> the
>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went 
>> away.
>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. 
>> If
>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>> static.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>
>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Jeremie Chism]

Got an apc unit that goes after the Poe, but what you are talking
about might be better. Could save the power supply atleast. Not sure
it would have completely stopped it because they lost all their
computers, phone system, and other networking gear.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:38 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  wrote:

> 2 out of how many?
>
> We had a NASTY storm last night.  Lost 1 nic card out of hundreds and
> hundreds of them.
>
> We used to loose modems from time to time too.
>
> In my mind, you're just going to loose some once in a while during storms.
> Part of the cost of doing business, just like flat tires out on the farm.
>
> Having said that, I wish more POE units had built in lightning protection.
>
> Polyphaser makes a nice ethernet protector that WILL work with POE
> applications.  Roughly $100 if memory serves me right.
>
> I know, not much help.
> marlon
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:53 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
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>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

[Jeremie Chism]

We have a few 8meg customers and a couple radio stations that stream a total
of 5 radio stations. Not sure with what my customers are used to that I
could squeeze that many customers into 10 megs. But I guess it depends on
the situation. All of my customers are business so no netflix but there is
The occasional video stream. Also our voip phone lines are there to.

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On Jul 31, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

We are at about 24 customers per meg at peak.



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My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on
the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video
service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will
determine your final ratio.



Bob-





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Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
1M up?

*From:* ~NGL~ 

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*Subject:* [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

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Also I guess when you are saying 100 subs is that mainly 100 residential
with one or two computers behind the cpe. One of my customers has 20
computers so I guess it all evens out.

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My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on
the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video
service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will
determine your final ratio.



Bob-





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Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
1M up?

*From:* ~NGL~ 

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

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Yep.  In my case, business users are low usage.  It's the residential that
will drive me crazy.  

 

Bob-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 12:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

Also I guess when you are saying 100 subs is that mainly 100 residential
with one or two computers behind the cpe. One of my customers has 20
computers so I guess it all evens out. 

Sent from my iPhone


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wrote:

My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on
the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video
service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will
determine your final ratio.

 

Bob-

 

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
1M up?

From: ~NGL~   

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM

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Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


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> What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Blake Bowers]

I start looking for a marching band with 76 trombones


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


> NEVER THE TOP!
> 
> Top starts with T and that rhymes with me and I'm TROUBLE!
> 
> Trouble with a capital T.
> 
> Happens.  Sorry.  Been a long month.
> 




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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Robert West]

I hear ya.  I'll be glad when September rolls around.  Moving this office is
killing me.  HEY!  Shot my left index finger with the framing nailer!  One
hole in, one hole out.  2 for 1.  I should learn to hire others to shoot
their own fingers.  Then I could laugh at their misfortune.

Bob-





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 12:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

I start looking for a marching band with 76 trombones


Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


> NEVER THE TOP!
> 
> Top starts with T and that rhymes with me and I'm TROUBLE!
> 
> Trouble with a capital T.
> 
> Happens.  Sorry.  Been a long month.
> 





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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Blake Bowers]

BTW, you would not believe what I found at a tower site the other day,
a riding lawn mower!


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


>I hear ya.  I'll be glad when September rolls around.  Moving this office 
>is
> killing me.  HEY!  Shot my left index finger with the framing nailer!  One
> hole in, one hole out.  2 for 1.  I should learn to hire others to shoot
> their own fingers.  Then I could laugh at their misfortune.
>




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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Robert West]

That be mine!  Oh, such good intentions of mowing the drive every couple of
weeks but NO!  The world has a way of yanking you back by the a**.

I bet you also found a ladder and a shop vac too.  Got my cable measurements
though, will be installing as soon as this move is over.  And my pals at
Time Warner..   Anyone else having issues with these jokers?  Fiber
move, from  one location to another in order to directly support a new
tower.  Gave them a months' notice but Nooo!  Salesman says  "Nobody
called you?"  Seems as if I'm listed as a gold star customer, sounds like
BS, but yet the move doesn't get scheduled?  Let's see what happens Monday.
I already yanked the primary access equipment, running on the remote
secondary.  Office phones are voip through their fiber.  No phones Monday
morning???  Hm  

And I pay how much per month?  

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

BTW, you would not believe what I found at a tower site the other day, a
riding lawn mower!


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message -
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection


>I hear ya.  I'll be glad when September rolls around.  Moving this office 
>is
> killing me.  HEY!  Shot my left index finger with the framing nailer!  One
> hole in, one hole out.  2 for 1.  I should learn to hire others to shoot
> their own fingers.  Then I could laugh at their misfortune.
>





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[WISPA] I NEED HELP

[Forbes Mercy]

This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to 
have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to 
where, how how long.  The tower that was affected by last nights 
lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it.  The outages were so 
extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 
65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming 
from.  I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core 
router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been 
compromised but show run didn't reveal anything.  Oh the other thing, 
every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the 
network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use 
it said it was in use.  I had to repair my connection often just to do 
work on the network and it would work for a while then again say 
duplicate IP.  That's why I'm convinced it's traffic.

I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers 
there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on 
but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on 
but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night.  
Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 
12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet 
drop in the filters.  My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this 
business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in 
town and they both said "geez I don't know you wireless guys have way 
bigger networks than we do".  sigh.

Thanks,
Forbes



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