[WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread Jide Ayodele
Hello All,

I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
each. Each facing different directions.

I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
26Mbps.

May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
install more and completely migrate all my clients to
ubiquity products.



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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread Jide Ayodele
I used Rocket M 5 not Bullet M5.
- Original Message -
From: Jide Ayodele oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: M series ubnt products
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:42:15 +0100

 Hello All,
 
 I just set up a new POP for base station. This base
 station has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I
 installed two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station
 antenna each. Each facing different directions.
 
 I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new
 base station. The farthest customer to the base station is
 about 3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for
 closer clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed
 Loco M5 for three close customers of about less than 1 km
 to the base station. Every other customer is about 1km and
 above and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with
 them also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2
 km away from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of
 36Mbps from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and
 tx of 26Mbps.
 
 May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
 install more and completely migrate all my clients to
 ubiquity products.



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Re: [WISPA] Radwin Management program

2010-08-09 Thread Mike Hammett
  I have 0 idea.

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On 8/8/2010 9:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Each version of the Radwin/Ceragon product has a management version.
 Which version is running on your link?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:
   Does anyone have the program to manage a Radwin 1000?  I'd appreciate
 a copy.

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Re: [WISPA] Radwin Management program

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Barnes
RAD Inc Technical Support (techsup...@rad.com)

Will send you the ink in probably less than 1/2 hour

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radwin Management program

  I have 0 idea.

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On 8/8/2010 9:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Each version of the Radwin/Ceragon product has a management version.
 Which version is running on your link?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:
   Does anyone have the program to manage a Radwin 1000?  I'd 
 appreciate a copy.

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Dave Rumore
I have customers that swear by these.  
http://www.veracityglobal.com/products/ethernet-and-poe-extension/outreach-max.aspx
  Only limitation seems to be that they are not weatherproof so you need to 
put them in a NEMA box or something.
Dave

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:32 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations. 

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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Barnes
From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my LONG 
5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.  Sunday 
morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are in very 
rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections happened from 
11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday and Sat.  Had to be 
something solar.

Steve Barnes
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
per square meter once it reached earth.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category,
 many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



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 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike





 
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Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP

2010-08-09 Thread David Sovereen
Minor note: Moto uses 8MHz channels and the middle channel for maximum 
separation is 915.

Dave

Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:


I did not realize this was the wireless list and not the Moto List

Moto uses 9MHz channels so the 3 non-overlapping are 906, 914, and 924
- CH1 = 902-910
- CH2 = 911-919
- CH3 = 920-928

I can't speak from experience to co-locating multiple 900AP's on a tower 
without sync. I would think trying to get 3 10MHz channels on the same tower 
would present a significant limit to the # of subs you could get per AP.

However 5MHz channels might provide some decent scalability as long as you 
aren't trying to provide speeds much more than 3Mbps down but that's just a 
guess

- Jerry


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second 900mhz AP

Was that even legal? I thought the 900 MHz spectrum that we are
allowed was 902-928.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Before smartmeters (BC) we had 3 integrated 900's on the same tower at
 906, 914, and 930 without issue.

 It's really about your available spectrum. You need a minimum of 9MHz
 spacing.

 75'of cable should not be a problem other than loss is loss. I would
 put the AP on the back of the antenna



 Jerry Richardson
 Sent Mobile

 On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

 I need to add a second AP on a tower and need help.
 How far apart must the 90 degree sector antenna be placed?
 Can they be the same polarity?
 Can I run LMR-400 to them about 70ft?
 Anything else I should consider?
 Thanx
 NGL


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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread jp
If your fiber does not have a metal armor/messenger in it, you can run 
it with the 120v. You might consult an electrician, but I'd probably run 
the single mode fiber and 3 conductors of thwn electrical wire into a 
bundle, terminate the fiber for the top end, hoist it up, chop the 
bottom of the bundle, and slide plastic conduit up the tower with the 
wire in place, 100' at a time. Fasten the conduit to the tower at 
appropriate intervals. Have an electrical box every 100' with something 
to take the strain off the wire.

Tried it once with 300' of wire/fiber/liquitight all at once, and it was 
more weight than we were prepared to handle. The wire slipped 
irretrievably back into the liquitight, we dropped some of the 
liquitight and it damaged itself from the stretching. We ended up with a 
big scrap pile of the stuff for small jobs.

Now, we just use POE, but that wasn't an option ten or more years ago. 
We don't use any towers so high we can't do POE.

The concept of 120v on a tower isn't unusual. Most of the lighting 
systems are probably 120/240.

On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:23:01PM -0400, RickG wrote:
 Nice! I ran fiber up the commercial tower I was on in Florida but it had 120
 volts at the 330' mark where my equipment was. Too bad there isnt POE for
 fiber. LOL, I guess you could run low voltage wire along the fiber and power
 the converters  radios the old fashioned way?
 
 On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:
 
  The fiber on one tower is Chromatic technologies, Inc. Optical Fiber
  Cable 700 series shielded cable, but usually it is just normal fiber
  that is inside conduit.  The media converters are whatever we can buy
  and still cheap (TP-Link,TRENDnet,etc). We put our own ends on the
  cable to fit whatever modules we buy (used to be SC, but now mainly
  ST).  We use a Lightcrimp Pluss kit to put the ends on the fiber.
 
  On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 9:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
   What type of fiber and media converters are you using?
  
   On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Philip Dorr 
  wirel...@judgementgaming.com
   wrote:
  
   We would use fiber+120VAC
  
   On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
   wrote:
Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get
  higher
than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
   
Thanks!
   
   
   
   
   
   
  
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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You have not provided much technical detail...

For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the bunt 
antennas

Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be having signal 
issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then you could be having settings 
issues in addition to signal issues...

Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in 20Mhz 
channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput about right.


Faisal

On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele oayod...@taralos.metrong.com wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
 has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
 two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
 each. Each facing different directions.
 
 I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
 station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
 3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
 clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
 for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
 base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
 and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
 also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
 from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
 from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
 26Mbps.
 
 May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
 install more and completely migrate all my clients to
 ubiquity products.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
Here is a simple solution for UBNT Reboots 

Turn on the SSH Port - 
then simply assign a username/password to the unit (which you technically 
already have of course since you have an admin user) 
Then run a script to go out and poll systems w/ the command reboot 

pretty simple 


reboot -y 

a simple linux box running a shell command on cron can reset tons of radios for 
you :-)


On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:48 AM, Robert West wrote:

 I hear ya, my brother.  Had 2 Bullet M5’s “Stop” this week.  Had to go out to 
 do a simple reboot.  The magic reboot fixed all.  I wish the UBNT firmware 
 had a reboot at “X” day or time function.  I’d certainly use it.
  
 Me-
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
  
 We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and 
 other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links.  The issues we are finding is that the dang 
 things just stop.  The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the 
 unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution.   
  
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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
  
 You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment that 
 is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL!
 
 On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
 wrote:
 But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance.  Where is the
 fun in all of that?
 
 I desire a product that demands constant attention.
 
 -Albert
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
 
 Mikrotik :)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
 
  Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline?
 
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Jason Hensley
Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I don't
think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and I've
seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.  




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Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations. 

Thanks!






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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished since
Sunday.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my
LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.
Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are
in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections
happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday
and Sat.  Had to be something solar.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
per square meter once it reached earth.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG
category,
 many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++

 --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8
aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike








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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

2010-08-09 Thread Ralph
Why have that, when it can reboot on loss of a ping?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:48 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

 

I hear ya, my brother.  Had 2 Bullet M5’s “Stop” this week.  Had to go out
to do a simple reboot.  The magic reboot fixed all.  I wish the UBNT
firmware had a reboot at “X” day or time function.  I’d certainly use it.

 

Me-

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

 

We have been trying to use UBNT Nanos for quite a while in trailer parks and
other ¼ to ½ mile LoS links.  The issues we are finding is that the dang
things just stop.  The first time we have to do a truck roll to reset the
unit, or replace it, it would be cheaper to buy a MT solution.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

 

You might have something philosophical there Bob. Do we choose equipment
that is like us - lots of trouble and need plenty of attention? LOL!

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:

But they are awesomely reliable and require no maintenance.  Where is the
fun in all of that?

I desire a product that demands constant attention.

-Albert




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Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

Mikrotik :)

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

 Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline?

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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Down here in Miami, Shelby and Auglaize county the only thing I've
seen since Friday was a power outage at Indian Lake.  Three of them -
Friday morning and twice Saturday morning/afternoon.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished since
 Sunday.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my
 LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.
 Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are
 in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections
 happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday
 and Sat.  Had to be something solar.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
 per square meter once it reached earth.

 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG
 category,
 many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++

 --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8
 aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Ron Wallace
 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the 
Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate 
individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too 
late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. 
As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but 
the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being 
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
I would watch here first:   http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

not so sure on this one... but for what its worth: 

http://spaceweather.com/



SOLAR BLAST JUST MISSES EARTH: On August 7th (1825 UT), magnetic fields around 
sunspot 1093 became unstable and erupted, producing a strong M1-class solar 
flare. 
Several amateur astronomers caught the active region in mid-flare, while NASA's 
Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded an extreme ultraviolet movie of the entire 
event:

The flare produced intense radio bursts detectable by ordinary shortwave 
receivers on Earth. In New Mexico, amateur radio astronomer Thomas Ashcraft 
picked up strong emissions around 21 MHz. Listen to some of the sounds than 
came out of the loudspeakers, he says. This was a complex flare and very 
exciting. Yet it is still small stuff compared to what is coming in the future 
as Solar Cycle 24 intensifies.


SUNSPOT SUNRISE: Sunspot 1093, the source of the blast that missed Earth, and 
sunspot 1092, the source of the blast that didn't miss, are both large enough 
to see without the aid of a solar telescope. On August 7th, M. Raşid Tuğral 
caught them rising over Ankara, Turkey:



On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Down here in Miami, Shelby and Auglaize county the only thing I've
 seen since Friday was a power outage at Indian Lake.  Three of them -
 Friday morning and twice Saturday morning/afternoon.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished since
 Sunday.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
 
 From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my
 LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.
 Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are
 in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections
 happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday
 and Sat.  Had to be something solar.
 
 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
 
 I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
 per square meter once it reached earth.
 
 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG
 category,
 many past 20 miles.lots of backhauls over 10 miles.
 
 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.
 
 
 
 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++
 
 --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection
 
 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.
 
 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8
 aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?
 
 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- Fromhttp://www.spaceweather.com
 
 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.
 
 Friendly Regards,
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
/I think when you become a member of Wispa you should be sent a TShirt that 
says 

Friends don't let Friends bridge networks 

;-)
On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

  Forbes,
 
 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share the 
 Wireshark you learned from Brett?
 
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)270-2410 
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
 
 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate 
 individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too 
 late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. 
 As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but 
 the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
 missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
 tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is 
 being in WISPA. Forbes 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Mike
I monitored some 5 - 8 dB unusual fades on an 18 mile 5.8 link I have. I
have engineered plenty of fade margin, but it did waiver.  Generally,
tropospheric ducting events cause more fade than I saw, so I attribute it to
CME.  I hope it was a non-event for most of you!  The lightning this morning
was not however; I have 2 down.

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

Down here in Miami, Shelby and Auglaize county the only thing I've
seen since Friday was a power outage at Indian Lake.  Three of them -
Friday morning and twice Saturday morning/afternoon.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished
since
 Sunday.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my
 LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex
link.
 Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are
 in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections
 happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday
 and Sat.  Had to be something solar.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
 per square meter once it reached earth.

 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG
 category,
 many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++

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 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8
 aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Forbes Mercy

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in 
WireShark or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from 
google.  Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and 
isolated it from the network.  Shut off everyone and turned them on one 
at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person was 
on.  I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I 
pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me 
know if you need any other help.  Those guys with the shirts that say 
how bad bridging a large network is are right on!


Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you 
share the Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
rwall...@tigernet.bz

-Original Message-
*From:* Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
*Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how
to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found
the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought
the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be
routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from
Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a
great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me
tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great
it is being in WISPA. Forbes


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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Ron Wallace
 Thanks Forbes, that is helpful. I'm on my way to do that now. Thanks again.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 11:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for inWireShark or 
just where is WireShark? The program I just got fromgoogle. Ultimately I went 
to the tower where the problem was andisolated it from the network. Shut off 
everyone and turned them on oneat a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately 
when that person wason. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't 
reset so Ipulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let 
meknow if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that sayhow bad 
bridging a large network is are right on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could youshare the 
Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
rwall...@tigernet.bz
-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointedout how to isolate 
individual bridges with WireShark. I did that andfound the tower, it's too late 
today but having that tower down broughtthe rest of the system back up. As 
Marlon said so will you be routedtomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the 
switchover from Bridged toRouted is about my highest priority now. I missed a 
great summerweekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. 
Thanksso much for once again reminding me how great it is being in 
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2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
That is about the best way to do it. 
Biggest thing is to find which tower its happening on. 

If you have the ability to subnet / segment towers into different ranges - This 
helps a great deal. 

In short - you can have each sector or backhaul to other towers on their own 
segment - so the entire network does not go down but rather 1 leg. 
If your using a good switch - enable STP (Spanning Tree Protocol) and voila - 
the rest of your network is saved. 

NOW ... IMPORTANT ... 

If your equipment (and UBNT Does) all supports STP - turn it on. 

If you have a few legs to the network all under 1 segment - (ie - you use a 
backhaul to a remote location and then tree out from there) one section or 
branch of the tree might shut off - but everyone else would stay live. 
Really handy on a long summer weekend for sure. 

It simply tells you what direction to head

:-)


On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

 Ron,
 
 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or 
 just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I 
 went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.  
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred 
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the 
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem 
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those 
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right 
 on!
 
 Forbes
 
 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:
 
  Forbes,
 
 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share 
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?
 
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)270-2410 
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
 
 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to 
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, 
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the 
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe 
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest 
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of 
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how 
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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
Bench test is always good!

bunt antenna???

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 You have not provided much technical detail...

 For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the bunt
 antennas

 Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be having signal
 issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then you could be having
 settings issues in addition to signal issues...

 Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in 20Mhz
 channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput about right.


 Faisal

 On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
 wrote:

  Hello All,
 
  I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
  has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
  two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
  each. Each facing different directions.
 
  I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
  station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
  3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
  clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
  for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
  base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
  and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
  also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
  from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
  from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
  26Mbps.
 
  May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
  install more and completely migrate all my clients to
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Forbes,

 

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying
UBNT or not.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)270-2410 
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
rwall...@tigernet.bz 

 

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
great it is being in WISPA. Forbes

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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Mike Hammett
  I've been having unexplained problems on a 10 mile 2.4 GHz link.  -66 
signal to a Canopy, but it has seemingly random outages, with a much 
heavier concentration and longer duration at night.  I've also had a few 
towers lose GPS and need hard reboots as well.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/9/2010 8:06 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
  From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my 
 LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.  
 Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are in 
 very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections happened 
 from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday and Sat.  
 Had to be something solar.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
 per square meter once it reached earth.

 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us  wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG category,
 many past 20 miles.lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



 ++
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 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++

 --
 From: RickGrgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:
 http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com  wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com  wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 --   Fromhttp://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Glenn Kelley
We have had some get water in them - interestingly enough it seems like it is 
always from the antenna cable
the Ubiquity unit itself seems rock solid. 

Turn on STP everywhere and no worries :-)   


On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Forbes,
  
 Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the 
 list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole 
 network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying 
 UBNT or not.
  
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
  
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
  
 Ron,
 
 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or 
 just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I 
 went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.  
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred 
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the 
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem 
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those 
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right 
 on!
 
 Forbes
 
 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:
  Forbes,
 
 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share the 
 Wireshark you learned from Brett?
 
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)270-2410 
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
 rwall...@tigernet.bz
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
 
 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate 
 individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too 
 late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. 
 As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but 
 the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
 missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
 tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
I haven't turned on STP. Is there any downfall to doing so?

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

 That is about the best way to do it.
 Biggest thing is to find which tower its happening on.

 If you have the ability to subnet / segment towers into different ranges -
 This helps a great deal.

 In short - you can have each sector or backhaul to other towers on their
 own segment - so the entire network does not go down but rather 1 leg.
 If your using a good switch - enable STP (Spanning Tree Protocol) and voila
 - the rest of your network is saved.

 NOW ... IMPORTANT ...

 If your equipment (and UBNT Does) all supports STP - turn it on.

 If you have a few legs to the network all under 1 segment - (ie - you use a
 backhaul to a remote location and then tree out from there) one section or
 branch of the tree might shut off - but everyone else would stay live.
 Really handy on a long summer weekend for sure.

 It simply tells you what direction to head

 :-)


 On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

  Ron,

 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark
 or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately
 I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
 on!

 Forbes

 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

  Forbes,

 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

  Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)270-2410
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz


 -Original Message-
 *From:* Forbes Mercy 
 [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.comforbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 ]
 *Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
 great it is being in WISPA. Forbes
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Mike Hammett

 I'm still waiting on my shirt.  *taps foot impatiently*

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http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/9/2010 10:24 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
/I think when you become a member of Wispa you should be sent a TShirt 
that says


Friends don't let Friends bridge networks

;-)
On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:


 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you 
share the Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net mailto:rwall...@newgenet.net
rwall...@tigernet.bz mailto:rwall...@tigernet.bz

-Original Message-
*From:* Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
*Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out
how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and
found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down
brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will
you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the
switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority
now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again
reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes


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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Forbes Mercy

Kurt,

Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly 
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say 
that rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an 
electrical surge too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to 
me now (I should point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that 
influence if I use UBNT, no, I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE 
is now Ubiquiti, the entire network had the same rain/thunderstorm as 
the one that failed and performed admirably.  The problem was that I had 
a bridged network not one failed piece of it.


Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
Yakima, WA  98902
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Forbes,

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone 
on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there 
whole network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider 
deploying UBNT or not.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy

*Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in 
WireShark or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from 
google.  Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and 
isolated it from the network.  Shut off everyone and turned them on 
one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person 
was on.  I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset 
so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend!  
Let me know if you need any other help.  Those guys with the shirts 
that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on!


Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you 
share the Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net mailto:rwall...@newgenet.net
rwall...@tigernet.bz mailto:rwall...@tigernet.bz

-Original Message-
*From:* Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
*Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how
to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found
the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought
the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be
routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from
Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a
great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me
tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great
it is being in WISPA. Forbes


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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

hehe... typo bunt = ubnt

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom



On 8/9/2010 12:05 PM, RickG wrote:

Bench test is always good!

bunt antenna???

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net 
mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:


You have not provided much technical detail...

For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the
bunt antennas

Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be
having signal issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then
you could be having settings issues in addition to signal issues...

Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in
20Mhz channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput
about right.


Faisal

On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele
oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
mailto:oayod...@taralos.metrong.com wrote:

 Hello All,

 I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
 has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
 two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
 each. Each facing different directions.

 I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
 station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
 3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
 clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
 for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
 base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
 and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
 also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
 from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
 from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
 26Mbps.

 May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
 install more and completely migrate all my clients to
 ubiquity products.





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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
I thought something was fishy there!
http://afsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675%282001%29021%3C0236%3AMBOIAE%3E2.0.CO%3B2?journalCode=fima

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

  hehe... typo bunt = ubnt

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom



 On 8/9/2010 12:05 PM, RickG wrote:

 Bench test is always good!

  bunt antenna???

 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

 You have not provided much technical detail...

 For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the bunt
 antennas

 Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be having
 signal issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then you could be having
 settings issues in addition to signal issues...

 Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in 20Mhz
 channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput about right.


 Faisal

 On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
 wrote:

  Hello All,
 
  I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
  has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
  two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
  each. Each facing different directions.
 
  I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
  station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
  3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
  clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
  for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
  base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
  and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
  also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
  from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
  from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
  26Mbps.
 
  May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
  install more and completely migrate all my clients to
  ubiquity products.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
I've had water get in though the antenna once. It was the antennas fault
though (poor design).

I've had water get in through the Ethernet cover a couple of times. I now
add a wrap of tape around the cover where it seals. Seems to help.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

 We have had some get water in them - interestingly enough it seems like it
 is always from the antenna cable
 the Ubiquity unit itself seems rock solid.

 Turn on STP everywhere and no worries :-)


 On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  Forbes,



 Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
 list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
 network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying
 UBNT or not.



 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405




   --

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy
 *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!



 Ron,

 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark
 or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately
 I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
 on!

 Forbes

 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

  Forbes,

 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)270-2410
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz



 -Original Message-
 *From:* Forbes Mercy 
 [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.comforbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 ]
 *Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Is that a Mesh Configuration ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 8/9/2010 1:09 PM, RickG wrote:

I thought something was fishy there!
http://afsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675%282001%29021%3C0236%3AMBOIAE%3E2.0.CO%3B2?journalCode=fima

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net 
mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:


hehe... typo bunt = ubnt

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom

 



On 8/9/2010 12:05 PM, RickG wrote:

Bench test is always good!

bunt antenna???

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

You have not provided much technical detail...

For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use
the bunt antennas

Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be
having signal issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if
no..then you could be having settings issues in addition to
signal issues...

Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in
20Mhz channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp
throughput about right.


Faisal

On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele
oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
mailto:oayod...@taralos.metrong.com wrote:

 Hello All,

 I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
 has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
 two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
 each. Each facing different directions.

 I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
 station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
 3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
 clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
 for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
 base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
 and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
 also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
 from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
 from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
 26Mbps.

 May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
 install more and completely migrate all my clients to
 ubiquity products.





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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Bob Moldashel
At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.  
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are 
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet 
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.  




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 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations. 

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Justin Wilson
I am interested in ethernet over coax recommendations.  Pitfalls?  Good
equipment?  Can you do gigabit?

Justin
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From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:31:29 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
Hehe! Definitely a net issue!

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

  Is that a Mesh Configuration ?

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 8/9/2010 1:09 PM, RickG wrote:

 I thought something was fishy there!

 http://afsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675%282001%29021%3C0236%3AMBOIAE%3E2.0.CO%3B2?journalCode=fima

 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

 hehe... typo bunt = ubnt

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom




 On 8/9/2010 12:05 PM, RickG wrote:

 Bench test is always good!

  bunt antenna???

 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote:

 You have not provided much technical detail...

 For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the bunt
 antennas

 Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be having
 signal issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then you could be having
 settings issues in addition to signal issues...

 Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in 20Mhz
 channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput about right.


 Faisal

 On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
 wrote:

  Hello All,
 
  I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
  has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
  two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
  each. Each facing different directions.
 
  I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
  station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
  3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
  clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
  for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
  base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
  and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
  also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
  from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
  from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
  26Mbps.
 
  May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
  install more and completely migrate all my clients to
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
Are there any Munis using Ruckus?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus.

 On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 wrote:

 Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system
 using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department.



 Brian


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 Subject: [WISPA] Mesh

 Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Jerry Richardson
I just installed a pair of these last week:  
http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NH-310CEKITcat=27

250' over RG6 quad. Hooked up instantly.

200Mbps seems to be the limit on these.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

   I am interested in ethernet over coax recommendations.  Pitfalls?  Good 
equipment?  Can you do gigabit?

Justin
--
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http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support


From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:31:29 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

 Thanks!




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Justin Wilson
Still have to have power at the top of the tower.  I am assuming all
these type of converters are active?
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From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:43:14 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

I just installed a pair of these last week:
http://netsys-direct.com/proddetail.php?prod=NH-310CEKITcat=27
 
250' over RG6 quad. Hooked up instantly.
 
200Mbps seems to be the limit on these.
 

- Jerry
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders
 
   I am interested in ethernet over coax recommendations.  Pitfalls?  Good
equipment?  Can you do gigabit?

Justin
-- 
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http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support


From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:31:29 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

 Thanks!




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
What type of radios does this run on?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:36 PM, L. Aaron Kaplan aa...@lo-res.org wrote:


 you could of course still use open source: OLSR.org

 Deployed on multiple very large community wireless networks worldwide.
 (Freifunk, Funkfeuer, Athens Metropolitan Wireless network (5k nodes),
 Guifi.net etc)



 On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus.

 On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 wrote:

 Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system
 using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department.







 
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Not aware of any...

But  you have to keep a bit of history in the back of your mind...

Ruckus originally offered  Indoor CPE for distribution of IP TV  
Data as such worked with Wired and Wireless providers
The two wireless providers they 'partnered' with were Waveion and 
another company whose name I forget at the moment.. both of them did 
outdoor Radios with Beamforming antennas.. (so Rucks stayed with indoor 
products only...)


only recently they are starting to have outdoor units... (I am not 
counting the indoor units in a nema box they had for mounting pool side 
for hotel and mdu mesh deployment).


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Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 8/9/2010 1:42 PM, RickG wrote:

Are there any Munis using Ruckus?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus.


On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:

Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH
system
using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department.



Brian

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Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on
supplying
wireless to. I have a tower...






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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Forbes Mercy
We weren't talking about towers we were talking about customers and I 
don't even get your point, so if it was a failed more expensive radio 
it'd be $1200 plus the tower climb, my point was at least their largely 
dependable radios but when they fail they don't hurt as much, your email 
made absolutely no sense.

On 8/9/2010 9:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Plus tower climbing fees.  It isn't just $89.

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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com  wrote:

 Kurt,

 Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly
 exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that
 rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge
 too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should
 point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no,
 I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire
 network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed
 admirably.  The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed
 piece of it.

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
 Yakima, WA  98902
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

 On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Forbes,



 Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
 list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
 network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying
 UBNT or not.



 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405





 

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 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!



 Ron,

 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
 just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
 went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
 on!

 Forbes

 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

   Forbes,

 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)270-2410
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz



 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
 great it is being in WISPA. Forbes
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have
problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused this
other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are
guinea pigs to me.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Kurt,

Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that
rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge
too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should
point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no,
I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire
network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed
admirably.  The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed
piece of it.

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
Yakima, WA  98902
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 

Forbes,

 

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying
UBNT or not.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)270-2410 
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
rwall...@tigernet.bz 

 

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
great it is being in WISPA. Forbes

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I have had no issues with any NS2 or NSM5 short of one blown ethernet
port and another radio totally blown.  Ubiquiti took these two back
and Mike promised to look at why they went bad.  I got two new ones in
return.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 I’m scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have
 problems here and there, this don’t work, or this works now but caused this
 other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are
 guinea pigs to me.



 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405





 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!



 Kurt,

 Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly
 exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that
 rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge
 too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should
 point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no,
 I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire
 network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed
 admirably.  The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed
 piece of it.

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
 Yakima, WA  98902
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

 On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Forbes,



 Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
 list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
 network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying
 UBNT or not.



 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405





 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!



 Ron,

 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
 just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
 went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
 on!

 Forbes

 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

  Forbes,

 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)270-2410
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz



 -Original Message-
 From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
 great it is being in WISPA. Forbes
 
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[WISPA] Mobilitie tower colo

2010-08-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Does anyone here have experience with leasing through Mobilitie Tower.
http://www.mobilitie.com/

 

How has your experience through their application processes been?

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

read between my lips   :)

The waters are fine feel free to jump in or dabble you toes...


(not trying to be a smart ass...)

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom



On 8/9/2010 3:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have 
problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused 
this other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you 
guys are guinea pigs to me.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy

*Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Kurt,

Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly 
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I 
say that rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an 
electrical surge too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk 
to me now (I should point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that 
influence if I use UBNT, no, I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my 
CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire network had the same rain/thunderstorm 
as the one that failed and performed admirably.  The problem was that 
I had a bridged network not one failed piece of it.


Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
Yakima, WA 98902
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Forbes,

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone 
on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there 
whole network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider 
deploying UBNT or not.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy

*Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in 
WireShark or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from 
google.  Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and 
isolated it from the network.  Shut off everyone and turned them on 
one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person 
was on.  I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset 
so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend!  
Let me know if you need any other help.  Those guys with the shirts 
that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on!


Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you 
share the Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)270-2410
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net mailto:rwall...@newgenet.net
rwall...@tigernet.bz mailto:rwall...@tigernet.bz

-Original Message-
*From:* Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
*Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how
to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found
the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought
the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be
routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from
Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a
great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me
tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great
it is being in WISPA. Forbes


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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Forbes Mercy
Well I like being the guiena pig for Ubiquiti, they brought Wireless to 
a greater market share of people so now we can compete with cable and 
telco on installation pricing, the speeds are faster than the Engenius, 
Smart Bridges era of higher pricing for lower capability. Yup we're 
finding out things all the time about this new gear and that's why Mike 
is active on THIS forum (more on the ubnt_users forum, hint hint), can't 
think of the last time any other company had one of their system 
Engineers on the WISPA list responding to customer issues directly (ever 
have a problem with Smart Bridges? think KOREA!).


I think Ubiquiti puts out a fine product, we're in a 'baby' industry; 
buy clothes for your two year old and see how long until you have to buy 
clothes again.  The size of what we offer changes so fast (spoken as a 
dial-up provider that went from zero to 16,000 and sold back at 3000) 
that expensive gear with prolonged ROR (rate of return) is suicidal and 
far more akin to financial guinea pigs than this gear which is 
dependable and satisfies my ability to grow at a rate comfortable enough 
where I still have control.  Besides I'm not giving away a lot of new 
business just because I can't afford to deploy fast enough with that 
expensive gear out there.


I don't know how many parallels you need; in the auto industry the 
Hummer is huge and dependable, doesn't share the road well and as of now 
- discontinued because people are buying Jetta's.  There will always be 
people who want the big dependable, well tested thing and have the money 
to pay for them but they are less and less as people see the lean, mean 
machines are actually better. It may kill off a few legacy carriers and 
we can't always afford something with years of proven performance but 
once you look past the size and name you may find the new stuff is just 
a new mind at work, the same type of mind that made the legacy carriers 
the new guys way back when, OK I'm done.


Forbes

On 8/9/2010 12:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have 
problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused 
this other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you 
guys are guinea pigs to me.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy

*Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Kurt,

Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly 
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I 
say that rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an 
electrical surge too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk 
to me now (I should point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that 
influence if I use UBNT, no, I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my 
CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire network had the same rain/thunderstorm 
as the one that failed and performed admirably.  The problem was that 
I had a bridged network not one failed piece of it.


Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
Yakima, WA 98902
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Forbes,

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone 
on the list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there 
whole network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider 
deploying UBNT or not.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy

*Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in 
WireShark or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from 
google.  Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was and 
isolated it from the network.  Shut off everyone and turned them on 
one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person 
was on.  I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset 
so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend!  
Let me know if you need any other help.  Those guys with the shirts 
that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on!


Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you 
share the Wireshark you learned from Brett?


Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: 

Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Kosinet Wireless
I'm very impressed with them. When Mid Ohio Sports Car Course opted to NOT pay 
anything for last weekends event. (Bandwidth needs..) Basically cut the $$ in 
half

We decided to use the Ubiquiti NanoBridges 5m units. 3 hops to get there - They 
tested at 70 Mbps both directions. The long link was 5+ miles.

While the Indy guys were broadcasting HD video over them, I was watching a 
sustained 8 - 10 meg coming from the track. At the same time, they were pulling 
10 - 18 meg the other way.

This went on for most of the 4 days they were online - The units never even 
burped, much less hiccup'd  :-)

I ran the latest firmware (Not Beta) and set them up for optimal throughput.

Now we're looking at putting them to work for our backhaul / expansion links.

-Gary-


  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!


  I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have 
problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused this 
other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are 
guinea pigs to me.

   

  Kurt Fankhauser

  WAVELINC

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  419-562-6405

   

   


--

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

   

  Kurt,

  Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly 
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that 
rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge too, 
hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should point out 
$89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no, I love their 
stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire network had the same 
rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed admirably.  The problem 
was that I had a bridged network not one failed piece of it.

  Forbes Mercy
  President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
  3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
  Yakima, WA  98902
  forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

  On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 

  Forbes,

   

  Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the 
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole network. 
If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying UBNT or not.

   

  Kurt Fankhauser

  WAVELINC

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  419-562-6405

   

   


--

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

   

  Ron,

  I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or 
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I 
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.  Shut 
off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred 
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the 
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem gone... 
a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those guys with 
the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right on!

  Forbes

  On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

   Forbes,

  I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share the 
Wireshark you learned from Brett?

  Ron Wallace 
  Hahnron, Inc. 
  220 S. Jackson Dt. 
  Addison, MI 49220 

  Phone: (517)547-8410 
  Mobile: (517)270-2410 
  e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
  rwall...@tigernet.bz 

   

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to 
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's 
too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back 
up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow 
but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being 
in WISPA. Forbes 

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Mike
Bob that's a great idea, the second one.  I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run
however.
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.  
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are 
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet 
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I
don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and
I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.  




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 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations. 

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Justin Wilson
I would not do 400¹ of cat-5 for data purposes.  It will probably link
at 10 meg for management purposes but don¹t expect to pass traffic over it
(other than winbox, ssh, or other small management stuff).
-- 
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http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support



From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:18:50 -0500
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

Bob that's a great idea, the second one.  I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run
however.
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I
don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and
I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Winbox definitely does not work at 400 feet of STP.

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
    I would not do 400’ of cat-5 for data purposes.  It will probably link at
 10 meg for management purposes but don’t expect to pass traffic over it
 (other than winbox, ssh, or other small management stuff).
 --
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 http://www.mtin.net/blog
 Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support


 
 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:18:50 -0500
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Bob that's a great idea, the second one.  I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run
 however.

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203
 m...@aweiowa.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

 Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
 Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
 ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
 over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

 -B-





 Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I
 don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and
 I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

 Thanks!





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Justin Wilson
I know of a couple of clients running it at 400+ feet.  This is nice
shielded stuff.  Not say this is typical, but it will work.  Would you want
to depend on it?  Probably not.
-- 
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Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support



From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:29:31 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

Winbox definitely does not work at 400 feet of STP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
    I would not do 400¹ of cat-5 for data purposes.  It will probably link at
 10 meg for management purposes but don¹t expect to pass traffic over it
 (other than winbox, ssh, or other small management stuff).
 --
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 http://www.mtin.net/blog
 Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support


 
 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:18:50 -0500
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Bob that's a great idea, the second one.  I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run
 however.

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203
 m...@aweiowa.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

 Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
 Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
 ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
 over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

 -B-





 Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I
 don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and
 I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Marco Coelho
A simple solution would be a poe powered gigabit switch installed at
150 feet within a NEMA 4 enclosure.  Full 1000 Mb/s wire speed and no
power pushed up to the top.  I don't know if the other items you have
on top need power or not.

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-09 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan

On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:46 PM, RickG wrote:

 What type of radios does this run on?
 

any since it is a layer 3 mesh routing software - heck you could even run it 
over avian carriers ;-)

a.


 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:36 PM, L. Aaron Kaplan aa...@lo-res.org wrote:
 
 you could of course still use open source: OLSR.org
 
 Deployed on multiple very large community wireless networks worldwide.
 (Freifunk, Funkfeuer, Athens Metropolitan Wireless network (5k nodes), 
 Guifi.net etc)
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus.
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com 
 wrote:
 
 Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Chuck Hogg
You can mod a 750g pretty easily.

Regards,
Chuck

On Aug 9, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:

 A simple solution would be a poe powered gigabit switch installed at
 150 feet within a NEMA 4 enclosure.  Full 1000 Mb/s wire speed and no
 power pushed up to the top.  I don't know if the other items you have
 on top need power or not.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

2010-08-09 Thread Travis Hawthorne
It's Monday, here's what Google and Verizon were working on 
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/google-verizon-propose-open-vs-paid-internets/
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

2010-08-09 Thread Chuck Profito
BORG fish , MESHED with iNet?  Ingenious!  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:10 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

 

I thought something was fishy there!

http://afsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675%282001%29021%3C0236%3AMBOIA
E%3E2.0.CO%3B2?journalCode=fima

 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

hehe... typo bunt = ubnt 

:)



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On 8/9/2010 12:05 PM, RickG wrote: 

Bench test is always good! 

 

bunt antenna???

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

You have not provided much technical detail...

For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the bunt
antennas

Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be having signal
issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then you could be having
settings issues in addition to signal issues...

Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in 20Mhz
channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput about right.


Faisal


On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Jide Ayodele oayod...@taralos.metrong.com
wrote:

 Hello All,

 I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
 has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
 two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
 each. Each facing different directions.

 I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
 station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
 3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
 clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
 for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
 base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
 and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
 also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
 from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
 from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
 26Mbps.

 May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
 install more and completely migrate all my clients to
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[WISPA] A Big Microsoft Tuesday

2010-08-09 Thread Chuck Profito
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesday
 

 

 

Microsoft plans a mega-patch Tuesday 

This cycle never ends 

By Edward 
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/flame_author/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesday
  Berridge 

Fri Aug 06 2010, 09:53 

SOFTWARE COBBLER Microsoft plans to send out a record batch of 14 security 
updates next week to patch 34 vulnerabilities in Windows, Internet Explorer 
(IE), Office and Silverlight.

Eight of the 14 software updates are ranked as critical while the remaining 
six are marked as important.

The count of 34 individual patches equals the monthly record, which was first 
set last October and repeated in June 2010. Since eight of these are called 
critical that matches the previous record that the Vole set in October 2009.

It seems that the larger Microsoft updates are landing in even-numbered months 
and the smaller ones in odd numbered months. Thus we have the impression that 
patches are being sent out in numbers and on schedules that suit Microsoft's 
spinners in its PR department rather than its developers or customers.

According to Microsoft's monthly advance notification  
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms10-aug.mspx , the 
company will deliver 10 updates for Windows, half of them critical and the 
other five rated important. Two updates will patch one or more critical bugs in 
IE and Silverlight, while another pair will fix bugs in Microsoft Office.

All versions of Windows are involved, with Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) 
being the oldest to get a fix. Windows XP is affected by all five Windows-only 
critical updates, as well as by the critical Internet Exploder and Silverlight 
fixes.

Windows 7 is not completely unscathed either. Two of the five critical Windows 
updates apply to the Vole's newest operating system, as do the critical IE and 
Silverlight patches. All up Windows 7 will receive at least 10 of the 14 
planned updates. So much for being a superior operating system.

The Office updates are aimed at flaws in Word and Excel. Both updates also 
apply to the Mac editions of Word and Excel, even though Mac OS X is supposedly 
the most secure operating system in the world and never has a problem with 
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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Jeremie Chism
I was also seeing problems that stopped on Sunday but I replaced alot.
Thought I did something right and fixed it. Could have been that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

 I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished since
 Sunday.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on my
 LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.
 Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are
 in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections
 happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday
 and Sat.  Had to be something solar.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Philip Dorr
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts
 per square meter once it reached earth.

 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG
 category,
 many past 20 miles.lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



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 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8
 aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- Fromhttp://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35%
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on August
 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert for
 auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
I'm not sure I've had any more problems with UBNT than any other equipment
when it first comes out. FW bugs are FW bugs. No pain, go gain!
I'm am sure my recent issues had nothing to do with UBNT but rather
interference.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

  I’m scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have
 problems here and there, this don’t work, or this works now but caused this
 other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are
 guinea pigs to me.



 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405




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 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy
 *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!



 Kurt,

 Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly
 exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that
 rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge
 too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should
 point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no,
 I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire
 network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed
 admirably.  The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed
 piece of it.

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
 Yakima, WA  98902
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

 On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Forbes,



 Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
 list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
 network. If this is the case I’ll factor that in when I consider deploying
 UBNT or not.



 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405




   --

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy
 *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!



 Ron,

 I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark
 or just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately
 I went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
 Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
 immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
 Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
 gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
 guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
 on!

 Forbes

 On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote:

  Forbes,

 I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
 the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)270-2410
 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net
 rwall...@tigernet.bz



 -Original Message-
 *From:* Forbes Mercy 
 [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.comforbes.me...@wabroadband.com
 ]
 *Sent:* Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

 Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
 isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
 it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
 system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
 not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
 priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
 you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
 great it is being in WISPA. Forbes
 
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread RickG
You could do 400' IF you lock it down at 10Mbps. But then, what would be the
point :)

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 Bob that's a great idea, the second one.  I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run
 however.

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203
 m...@aweiowa.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

 Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
 Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
 ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
 over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

 -B-





 Jason Hensley wrote:
  Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I
 don't
  think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
  not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and
 I've
  seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that
 well
  or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
  that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.
 
 
 
 
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  Behalf Of Jason Hensley
  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
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  Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
  than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

2010-08-09 Thread Chris Cooper
Content is king. If you own the content and can manage your own  
disribution, especially content that flows cheaply over other's  
networks (like us) you gain flexibility and deeper cost control by  
bypassing the traditional content distribution mechanisms  There is a  
dynamic shift coming. Time Warner should be concerned

Thanks,

Chris Cooper

On Aug 9, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Travis Hawthorne travis.hawtho...@moonblink.com 
  wrote:

 It's Monday, here's what Google and Verizon were working on 
 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/google-verizon-propose-open-vs-paid-internets/

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
 1617.html

 They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
 blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster?
 Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
 world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

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[WISPA] FW: Form 477 Due

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

2010-08-09 Thread Ralph
I have one or two Ruckus CPEs (the ones that look like Pacman) I intend to
try on one of our 4 muni mesh systems, but as of yet have not had a chance.
We use a lot of the Pepwave/Peplinks though.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh

 

Are there any Munis using Ruckus?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus.

On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
wrote:

Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system
using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department.



Brian


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Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:15 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Mesh

Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying

wireless to. I have a tower...






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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Robert West
UBNT takes risks and allows anyone to test the BETAs.  Almost all the
problems you hear about come from the BETA software and understandably so.
If you thrive in chaos, you will do well with the BETA releases.  If not,
just stick with the release versions and you'll do equally as well.

 

It's good stuff.  

 

Bob-

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

I'm not sure I've had any more problems with UBNT than any other equipment
when it first comes out. FW bugs are FW bugs. No pain, go gain!

I'm am sure my recent issues had nothing to do with UBNT but rather
interference.

 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have
problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused this
other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are
guinea pigs to me.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Kurt,

Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that
rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge
too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should
point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no,
I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire
network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed
admirably.  The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed
piece of it.

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
Yakima, WA  98902
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 

Forbes,

 

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying
UBNT or not.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

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Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)270-2410 
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
rwall...@tigernet.bz 

 

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
great it is being in WISPA. Forbes

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[WISPA] BGP / OSPF Routing Help

2010-08-09 Thread Scott Carullo
I need some assistance...

I currently have two upstream connections at 100MB with a full BGP feed 
each into Mikrotik x86 routers wich are also running OSPF facing internally 
- no routes are distributed from BGP to OSPF.  The two BGP routers are 
located in two different cities and do not share BGP information between 
themselves - they are basically used to advertise out the networks to 
control the flow of traffic coming into our network.  Same upstream 
provider so they would have the same outgoing tables anyway.  We use OSPF 
path costs to direct outgoing traffic to the closest BGO router and 
basically the networks advertised follow the same paths in as out.  The 
/21s are advertised on both BGP routers with the /24s advertised to steer 
the inbound traffic through the same router the outbound traffic goes out.

Ok, that all works textbook style, no problems easy to manage for both OSPF 
(one internal area) and BGP. 

Now we need more bandwidth and have reached out to grab another provider 
with 100MB circuit in another city.  This is a different provider than the 
other two existing BGP routers are peered with and now there is a desire to 
have the BGP routers on my network exchange routes and select the best 
outgoing router based on the full BGP routing tables.  It's kind of hard to 
explain without the picture of the network to understand so here is a quick 
hand-drawn sketch of what the network layout looks like. Sorry its a mess 
just did it real quick while typing this email  
http://www.brevardwireless.com/files/networkpic.pdf

I'm not really worried about router #3 participating in the BGP table 
exchanges because I will soon consolidate router #2 and #3 into the same 
router and combine bandwidth feeds into one fiber as well.  So for sake of 
discussion BGP router #3 does not exist, I drew it for completeness of my 
current situation.  I'm guessing I need to upgrade the tower routers on 
tower C and E to routers powerful enough to handle BGP and I have placed 
RB1100 on each so they are there.  Not interested in hearing about my 
router selections, just how to configure routing protocols to accomplish my 
goals (thanks).  We have attempted in testbed with 4 BGP routers in a row 
like they are on the network map with a full feed on each end and we are 
having a lot of luck.  Not sure if our testbed is fouled or it we just need 
more of a BGP clue.  Either way, some assistance would be greatly 
appreciated.

My preference is to not have BGP and OSPF exchange routes.  Since the BGP 
routers traverse the middle of my network I'll let OSPF do its magic of 
getting to the closest gateway and then let BGP direct it from there.  Once 
a packet hits any BGP router it will not have to cross a non-BGP router 
before it goes out in all cases.

I have considered professional consultation and will need to go there 
pending no internal progress on reaching our goals.  I'd rather ask first 
and learn myself and be able to manage what I have running without having 
outside 3rd party reliance.  Most of you probably understand that decision 
:)

Any way, if you have read this far and suffered through my network pic then 
thank you very much.  I appreciate your time and assistance. Hopefully this 
is an easy task for some of you.

Scott Carullo

Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102





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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Scott Carullo
Products don't mature without some bleeding   we like to donate lots of 
blood to the cause :)  We have 5.2.1 b3 on every device on the network (about 
150 so far) and they are fine.  Occasional constipation (of the data) but its 
fairly rare and we know exactly how to fix it quickly.  Next release should be 
past the last few issues, but this one runs fine across all their products.  
Most stuff you read online is about the problems, not people taking the time to 
mention they are running fine.

Every piece of gear has its advantages and disadvantages - just another tool 
for another job...

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you hear about come from the BETA 

Re: [WISPA] A Big Microsoft Tuesday

2010-08-09 Thread Robert West
I have already found the work around for all patches.

 

WARNING!  VIRUS ACTIVITY DETECTED!

 

Yuri-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:52 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] A Big Microsoft Tuesday

 

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesday
 

 

 

Microsoft plans a mega-patch Tuesday 

This cycle never ends 

By Edward Berridge 
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/flame_author/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesday
  

Fri Aug 06 2010, 09:53 

SOFTWARE COBBLER Microsoft plans to send out a record batch of 14 security 
updates next week to patch 34 vulnerabilities in Windows, Internet Explorer 
(IE), Office and Silverlight.

Eight of the 14 software updates are ranked as critical while the remaining 
six are marked as important.

The count of 34 individual patches equals the monthly record, which was first 
set last October and repeated in June 2010. Since eight of these are called 
critical that matches the previous record that the Vole set in October 2009.

It seems that the larger Microsoft updates are landing in even-numbered months 
and the smaller ones in odd numbered months. Thus we have the impression that 
patches are being sent out in numbers and on schedules that suit Microsoft's 
spinners in its PR department rather than its developers or customers.

According to Microsoft's monthly advance notification  
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms10-aug.mspx , the 
company will deliver 10 updates for Windows, half of them critical and the 
other five rated important. Two updates will patch one or more critical bugs in 
IE and Silverlight, while another pair will fix bugs in Microsoft Office.

All versions of Windows are involved, with Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) 
being the oldest to get a fix. Windows XP is affected by all five Windows-only 
critical updates, as well as by the critical Internet Exploder and Silverlight 
fixes.

Windows 7 is not completely unscathed either. Two of the five critical Windows 
updates apply to the Vole's newest operating system, as do the critical IE and 
Silverlight patches. All up Windows 7 will receive at least 10 of the 14 
planned updates. So much for being a superior operating system.

The Office updates are aimed at flaws in Word and Excel. Both updates also 
apply to the Mac editions of Word and Excel, even though Mac OS X is supposedly 
the most secure operating system in the world and never has a problem with 
malware. µ

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Robert West
Dabble?  

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

read between my lips   :)

The waters are fine feel free to jump in or dabble you toes...


(not trying to be a smart ass...)

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On 8/9/2010 3:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 

I'm scared of UBNT as it seems everyone that is using it seems to have
problems here and there, this don't work, or this works now but caused this
other thing to quit working, firmware is in Beta, seems like you guys are
guinea pigs to me.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Kurt,

Did it fail during a heavy rain/thunderstorm storm and was it directly
exposed without any waterproofing beyond it's own case; yes.  Can I say that
rain caused the failure; maybe or it could have gotten an electrical surge
too, hard to say, it just won't reset and it's junk to me now (I should
point out $89 replacement) .  Would I let that influence if I use UBNT, no,
I love their stuff and nearly 50% of my CPE is now Ubiquiti, the entire
network had the same rain/thunderstorm as the one that failed and performed
admirably.  The problem was that I had a bridged network not one failed
piece of it.

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd.
Yakima, WA  98902
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

On 8/9/2010 9:06 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 

Forbes,

 

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying
UBNT or not.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)270-2410 
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
rwall...@tigernet.bz 

 

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From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
great it is being in WISPA. Forbes

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

2010-08-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
On a side note Mikrotik 4 port NIC cards are designed to work up to 450 ft, 
based on the Data pairs. POE distance can be resolved by uping the PS voltage a 
bit, or using 48V. 
My point is, if you use a Router on the ground with the Mikrotik Nicks, its 
feasible to put Radios at 400ft at 100base-T.
We had experimented in the past with using two CAT5s one for data and one for 
Power, and then combining at the top of tower. That did not work as well, 
because we had issues with the cable combiners getting messed up by either gel 
running down into them or getting corroded by elements. (we had the couplers 
inside a nice plastic-like case, the ones sold by hyperlinkltech and LCOM, but 
they still got corroded.  We did better with one long run of CAT5 without any 
breaks in it.  It should be noted that POE voltage over long distances can 
cause degregation to data pairs which one reason POE is spec'ed at 300ft. But, 
it had worked for us at 425ft.

My point here is that if you have CAT5 breaks up at the top of the tower, make 
sure you go overkill on prep to prevent corrosion. Make sure you got silver to 
solver connectors or gold to gold connectors, not silver to gold that will 
oxidide. Dont jsut go enclosure, but go NEMA.

Bob's suggestion of Coax up the tower, sounds safer though. 

Bob, do you have any suggestions on GOOD EOC brands? 
I was thinking of doing it that way on an upcoming project.
Sure I could google it, but with a new product up a tower at 500ft, I'd prefer 
a trusted recommendation.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders


  You could do 400' IF you lock it down at 10Mbps. But then, what would be the 
point :)


  On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

Bob that's a great idea, the second one.  I don't recommend a 400' cat5 run
however.

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders


At 400' the CAT5 would probably work fine.

Another option would be bias T's and Ethernet over Coax converters.
Then just run a piece of LMR400 or even RG6 up the tower and you are
ready to go. Use siamese (dual) RG6 and run power on one and Ethernet
over coax on the other.  Pretty straight forward. EoC converters are cheap.

-B-





Jason Hensley wrote:
 Considering close to 400' total length.  I've seen all the posts and I
don't
 think fiber is going to be an option, and 120v up the tower is definitely
 not - owner won't allow that.  The Outreach product is interesting, and
I've
 seen other things like it, but didn't know if they really worked that well
 or not.  NEMA enclosure for that is not a problem - I just need something
 that is stable as this will be on a tower about an hour away.




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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:32 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

 Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
 than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Robert West
Water in a bullet took down my entire network but that was a version 1
release which the water was coming into the LED strip.  This has been fixed.
However, in MY case it was from a failed install where installer boy taped
the omni connector down to the N connector forcing the water column in to
the bullet.

 

A bad install can cause many horrors no matter the manufacturer.  

 

Be brave, my friend.  Save the major mojo.  Try the UBNT stuff.

 

 

Bobenstein-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Forbes,

 

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying
UBNT or not.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)270-2410 
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
rwall...@tigernet.bz 

 

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
great it is being in WISPA. Forbes

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Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

2010-08-09 Thread Robert West
I had twenty bucks vanish last Sunday.  Then  again, My kids were around.

Happens.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:00 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

I have seen problems as well since last Friday but they have vanished since
Sunday.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

From Thursday night to Sunday morning I have had nothing but issues on 
my
LONG 5.8 Links. 15-25 miles.  Mostly on vertical Pol of a full duplex link.
Sunday morning all the sudden everything just went back to 100%  These are
in very rural areas away from major cities and the worst connections
happened from 11:00 Pm to 4:00 am.  Though it was bad all the time Friday
and Sat.  Had to be something solar.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

I think I read that the solar flare would only be around 30 microwatts per
square meter once it reached earth.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I've got a number of links and customers and whatnot, in the LONG
category,
 many past 20 miles.    lots of backhauls over 10 miles.

 So far, haven't seen anything I recognize as something unusual.



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 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Coronal Mass Ejection

 I thought so but had to ask. I've got some strange things going on so 
 I'm wondering but hate to jump to conclusions.

 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

http://www.google.com/search?q=geomagnetic+storms+wirelessie=utf-8oe=utf-8
aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does this apply to wireless?

 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 04 AUG 2010 -- From    http://www.spaceweather.com

 The second CME is still en route. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% 
 chance of major geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on 
 August 4th or 5th. High-latitude sky watchers should remain alert 
 for auroras.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike








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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Ok, so I have an idea, how about deploying Canopy in the area's where I plan
on putting many AP's so I can use sync to reduce self-interference and then
deploying UBNT in the rural areas where I don't have any other towers nearby
that can hear each other???

 

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Water in a bullet took down my entire network but that was a version 1
release which the water was coming into the LED strip.  This has been fixed.
However, in MY case it was from a failed install where installer boy taped
the omni connector down to the N connector forcing the water column in to
the bullet.

 

A bad install can cause many horrors no matter the manufacturer.  

 

Be brave, my friend.  Save the major mojo.  Try the UBNT stuff.

 

 

Bobenstein-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Forbes,

 

Curious as to if this bullet had gotten water in it or what. Someone on the
list a while back had a bullet got water in and take down there whole
network. If this is the case I'll factor that in when I consider deploying
UBNT or not.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

 

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for in WireShark or
just where is WireShark?  The program I just got from google.  Ultimately I
went to the tower where the problem was and isolated it from the network.
Shut off everyone and turned them on one at a time, the IP Conflict occurred
immediately when that person was on.  I went to their house and the
Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so I pulled it, replaced it and problem
gone... a VERY long weekend!  Let me know if you need any other help.  Those
guys with the shirts that say how bad bridging a large network is are right
on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: 

 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had.  Could you share
the Wireshark you learned from Brett?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)270-2410 
e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
rwall...@tigernet.bz 

 

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to
isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower,
it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the
system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe
not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest
priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of
you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how
great it is being in WISPA. Forbes

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[WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 32, Issue 21

2010-08-09 Thread dave

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