Re: [WISPA] Plastic jacket is the major cause of ESD damage...
Yup, wind will do it, though in a rainstorm I'd expect that the water on the surface of the jacket would provide a good enough path to ground to dissipate the charge. I would also expect that if your UTP cable is directly attached to the metal tower structure at either end, you wouldn't have any problems with flashover at the ends of the cable as described by Mike Ford. But if there are any long sections of cable that aren't directly touching the tower structure, I suppose it would be possible for the static charge to jump through the cable insulation and reach the ethernet conductors. If you have a lightning protector at either end of the cable, this wouldn't matter much as the energy would go to ground through this instead of through the ethernet chipset in your radio or switch. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 8/26/2010 11:08 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Mr. Shoemaker, So the effect you are describing below is the result of wind rather than induced energy from a nearby lightning strike? When I was a maritime radio officer I witnessed very strong static electricity on non-dc grounded antennas during storms. I've seen repeated rapid static discharges across PL-259 connectors that went on for minutes as a rain squall blew past. I assume you're talking about this effect. If plain old non-shielded ethernet cable is wired tied to antenna support, down the tower and to cable tray at the bottom of the tower doesn't that give the static charge on the outside of the jacket a place to go? Greg On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Mike ford is describing electrostatic charge buildup on the outside of the cable jacket. This occurs because the friction between air molecules moving by and the surface of the cable jacket causes a charge separation on the surface of the jacket. In conductive materials this charge would simply bleed off, but a good plastic cable insulator will retain the charge on the surface of the jacket until the voltage is so high that it exceeds the breakdown voltage of the jacket. Then the charge dissipates through the nearest path to ground, which could be through a sensitive electronic component in the radio. Shielded cables and connectors will solve this problem by dumping the charge to ground once it builds up enough to jump through the cable jacket. This is different than the usual EMI scenarios we look at as WISPs--namely induced currents in ethernet cables due to strong nearby electric fields. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 8/26/2010 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Mike Ford says in this post: http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22612page=3 === Hello, Using STP with AirGrid/NB give buildup of ESD along the Ethernet cables plastic jacket a place to go other then the radio. The Ethernet cables plastic jacket is the major cause of damage to our devices if they are not grounded at the base of the tower or have no provisions for ground. Once the charge on the outside of that jacket passed 25-30kV it has enough potential to ark OVER the top of the plastic RJ45 connector and onto the Ethernet pins of the Ethernet lines. If you have a grounded cable, that is properly grounded at the base of the tower, this will provide the path of least resistance for the ESD buildup on the Ethernet cabling. The whole goal is to prevent the static from ARcing to the Ethernet lines damaging the devices. === I always thought the ESD was picked up and transferred through the metal components on a cable. I never considered the plastic jacket the source or transmission medium for a high-voltage static discharge. This would seem to indicate if you lose the jacket and had a naked cable that you would eliminate the ESD problem - but somehow I don't buy that either. Those of you electrical gurus please enlighten me. Either something isn't right (or needs further explanation) or I just learned something I never knew... maybe both :)Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP there. Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP there. Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation. Decent bandwidth or shared 100mbit with a few dozen racks. Most places give you 10mbs ethernet unmetered or 100mbps ethernet metered with ~1500GB. If its backup and not primary I dont see that it matters much. Just have to work something out with colocation guy. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP there. Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation. Decent bandwidth or shared 100mbit with a few dozen racks. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE¹s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a ³distribution² block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=25zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677f ryan On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot? Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE's. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a distribution block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP there. Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation. Decent bandwidth or shared 100mbit with a few dozen racks. Most places give you 10mbs ethernet unmetered or 100mbps ethernet metered with ~1500GB. If its backup and not primary I dont see that it matters much. Just have to work something out with colocation guy. Matt I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at saturation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at saturation. We have one server in a colocation center. When I run iperf tests to it with one of our DS3's it always maxes out the DS3. I imagine it depends on the quality of your colocation center. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Why? 4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic. If the agency already has ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that has very little engineering information. By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
Time to choose a new colo center then. I have some stuff in various dc's and can get well over 100mbps from them if needed. On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Matt wrote: I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at saturation. We have one server in a colocation center. When I run iperf tests to it with one of our DS3's it always maxes out the DS3. I imagine it depends on the quality of your colocation center. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback Kevin - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
At 8/27/2010 05:19 PM, you wrote: Why? 4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic. If the agency already has ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that has very little engineering information. By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on. Are WISPs here providing backhaul for their local 4.9 GHz licensee using the same ISP backbone that carries commercial traffic, isolated backhaul frequencies on the 4.9 band, or a VPN on the ISP backhaul frequencies? It seems to me that a Carrier Ethernet class backhaul network, with some CIR per layer 2 virtual circuit, would provide the PS users with some assurance of capacity. But I don't know if it can be provisioned in any of the low-cost router OSs. Sure would be nice. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Yes, I've got several of them deployed, very nice. It will run off AC as well, and is outdoor hardened. Only negatives, voltage isn't changeable per port via the web interface, manual toggle only, and they need a version with more ports. Regards Michael Baird Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
I'm new to MT MPLS, but I think MPLS TE could arrange that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/27/2010 5:54 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/27/2010 05:19 PM, you wrote: Why? 4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic. If the agency already has ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that has very little engineering information. By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on. Are WISPs here providing backhaul for their local 4.9 GHz licensee using the same ISP backbone that carries commercial traffic, isolated backhaul frequencies on the 4.9 band, or a VPN on the ISP backhaul frequencies? It seems to me that a Carrier Ethernet class backhaul network, with some CIR per layer 2 virtual circuit, would provide the PS users with some assurance of capacity. But I don't know if it can be provisioned in any of the low-cost router OSs. Sure would be nice. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Cool, have you used those? How reliable are they? Chris - Original Message - From: Phil Curnutt To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot? Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
I believe the 400 series is half way between the 130 and 430 in throughput. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/27/2010 4:49 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback Kevin - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of the link. What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that. The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have to have someone go on line and check each day. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Thats nifty but it does require this: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=21zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677f http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=21zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677fWhich is just one more thing to break! On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=6products_id=25zenid=c94a547543bf7e6bd2dd4f846565677f ryan On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
It appears that requires direct 100 volts AC input? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Oh, so it doesnt have to be direct AC in? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Yes, I've got several of them deployed, very nice. It will run off AC as well, and is outdoor hardened. Only negatives, voltage isn't changeable per port via the web interface, manual toggle only, and they need a version with more ports. Regards Michael Baird Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Yes, and No. for primary status you must file each location, but hardly anyone does that. It is totally legal just to apply for a geographical license. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of the link. What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that. The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have to have someone go on line and check each day. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Get your local congressman to put a little pressure on the FCC. It worked for me a few years back. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?
Talking about remote reboot... Has anyone used something like this or this product ? http://www.gsm-auto.com/ Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/27/2010 11:09 PM, RickG wrote: Oh, so it doesnt have to be direct AC in? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com mailto:m...@tc3net.com wrote: Yes, I've got several of them deployed, very nice. It will run off AC as well, and is outdoor hardened. Only negatives, voltage isn't changeable per port via the web interface, manual toggle only, and they need a version with more ports. Regards Michael Baird Inscape LPS-1000 POE Switch, with reboot capabilites. It will run off 48VDC. Five ports. http://www.connectronics.com/inscape/PoE%20Switch.htm Phil On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to having remote reboot capabilities? Imagine this scenario. You have DC running up a 400 foot tower. You have a DCV switch at the top with DC POE’s. The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a “distribution” block. In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower. Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management to reboot a single device? Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
That's what we are trying to do, put the 4.9 on their current FRN license for 2-way radio traffic. Not quite sure what the hold up is, although I did hear someone say up to 45-90 days for this, not particularly sure who. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Why? 4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic. If the agency already has ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that has very little engineering information. By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice
Its just basically PMP430 with half channel widths. 10mhz instead of 20mhz. Its OFDM, has the same plastic outer shell as the 430. Far as I know the 430 series is non-MIMO and so is this stuff. The configuration screen looks very similar to the old 100 series FSK stuff. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice I believe the 400 series is half way between the 130 and 430 in throughput. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/27/2010 4:49 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: Is that basically the same radio as the 54430? We're looking at doing a deployment with that radio, and we are looking for feedback Kevin - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz channel. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and the others, too. On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote: So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something for the Fire or Police department? The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia (for their PD). It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT be used for regular ISP stuff. That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive. My 2 cents worth from an actual user :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice Hey guys, We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, maybe legal advice, etc. I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks. -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
