Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
If you Google for Stairway to heaven Tower you should be able to find it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/15/2010 6:54 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Better yet... Notice how its been removed from Youtube due to copyright issues. Yeah right... Randy Cosby wrote: Notice how they blur the faces? Respect for the dead. RIP. Randy On 9/15/2010 9:37 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don’t see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don’t do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I _ -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQv-o5Kgbko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQv-o5Kgbko Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: If you Google for Stairway to heaven Tower you should be able to find it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/15/2010 6:54 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Better yet... Notice how its been removed from Youtube due to copyright issues. Yeah right... Randy Cosby wrote: Notice how they blur the faces? Respect for the dead. RIP. Randy On 9/15/2010 9:37 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don’t see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don’t do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I _ -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Climb video
Only problem is if he wins the lottery, his luck may run out. Next time he free climbs would be his last! Cameron On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQv-o5Kgbko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQv-o5Kgbko Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: If you Google for Stairway to heaven Tower you should be able to find it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/15/2010 6:54 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Better yet... Notice how its been removed from Youtube due to copyright issues. Yeah right... Randy Cosby wrote: Notice how they blur the faces? Respect for the dead. RIP. Randy On 9/15/2010 9:37 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Makes my palms sweat just watching it WTF isn't he tied off? What an idiot - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Climb video Mikrotik posted this on their Facebook post. I don’t see the guy clipping off or a safety climb so don’t do as he does (unless I missed the safety portion). _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I _ -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby| InfoWest, Inc | www.infowest.com Vice President | 435-674-0165 x 2010 | facebook.com/infowest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Good source for monitoring status of major nationwide networks
What are some good sources for this? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good source for monitoring status of major nationwide networks
Internethealthreport.comhttp://Internethealthreport.com Outages.orghttp://Outages.org Nanog and *-nsp mailing lists On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.commailto:ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: What are some good sources for this? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation, but they aren't. I've found a few instances online of people going 1 mile with 5.8 through some trees and still pulling off a -65 and 20Mbps of throughput - this was PTP. I know 3.65Ghz is supposed to be somewhere between 2.4 and 5.8 in terms of tree penetration, but I'm thinking this might be a good place to use 3.65, simply because of the lack of noise. I have never worked with 900Mhz as of yet. This was our initial alternative, but there is the added cost of deployment - $160 for a LocoM900 vs $80 for a NanobridgeM2. Literally doubles our ROI. On 9/13/2010 3:58 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com mailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Reverse Engineer BAM Authentication
Has anyone reversed engineered the BAM SM authentication? We would like to add this as a feature to our in-house software. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reverse Engineer BAM Authentication
Powercode has (internally, releasing some day) a BAM thing going...not sure of the details, though. I believe Jon has done this, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone reversed engineered the BAM SM authentication? We would like to add this as a feature to our in-house software. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reverse Engineer BAM Authentication
There's a hack somewhere out there that I think converts BAM requests to RADIUS requests, so whoever made that must have figured it out. However, RADIUS authentication support will be in 11.x, which I believe is due out Q4 2010 or Q1 2011... Dave On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone reversed engineered the BAM SM authentication? We would like to add this as a feature to our in-house software. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
I've been fighting trees since I got into the wireless business back in '97. IMHO, only lower frequencies will reliably serve a customer. I currently have a few customers with some trees and they complain it cuts out. It boils down to what quality of service you want to provide. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Nick White nwt...@tele-net.net wrote: So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation, but they aren't. I've found a few instances online of people going 1 mile with 5.8 through some trees and still pulling off a -65 and 20Mbps of throughput - this was PTP. I know 3.65Ghz is supposed to be somewhere between 2.4 and 5.8 in terms of tree penetration, but I'm thinking this might be a good place to use 3.65, simply because of the lack of noise. I have never worked with 900Mhz as of yet. This was our initial alternative, but there is the added cost of deployment - $160 for a LocoM900 vs $80 for a NanobridgeM2. Literally doubles our ROI. On 9/13/2010 3:58 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo
Anyone tried the new Tranzeo EX-2's? http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EX2 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, no need to try and fix it if Ubiquiti works. Though I am curious to know how it lost its configuration as I have only seen that on two occurrences, on an rb153 and rb532 (which are pretty old). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Can't say I've seen that yet, but we have newer Mikrotiks...Of course the bigger question is what happens if you do make that change and your problem doesn't go away?. On 09/16/2010 02:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: If it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, no need to try and fix it if Ubiquiti works. Though I am curious to know how it lost its configuration as I have only seen that on two occurrences, on an rb153 and rb532 (which are pretty old). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
At one point we had about 1300 MikroTiks in the field. I never had this problem. I switched off of MikroTik to go to Canopy, but use MikroTik for all my Routing, some backhauls, and at the base of every tower. I've had 112's, 532's, 133's, 600's, 800's 411's, etc. I have seen it drop the config during a few beta upgrades back in 3.0...but not since. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.netwrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik
I was wondering how mikrotik vpn's performed compared to other routers. I have had nothing but problems out of some of the other cheaper routers. Anybody with experience with this? Sent from my iPhone4 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik
I use PPtP and L2TP tunnels in quite a few places without issue using MikroTik. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering how mikrotik vpn's performed compared to other routers. I have had nothing but problems out of some of the other cheaper routers. Anybody with experience with this? Sent from my iPhone4 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik
I use PPTP all the time without any issues. I often use my laptop or another Mikrotik. I know other people use IPSec with and to replace Cisco and haven't heard anything after they get it configured. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering how mikrotik vpn's performed compared to other routers. I have had nothing but problems out of some of the other cheaper routers. Anybody with experience with this? Sent from my iPhone4 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
To clarify I'm sure mine were 2.9.50 or 2.9.51. I never upgraded a 1xx or 5xx to 3.0+. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: At one point we had about 1300 MikroTiks in the field. I never had this problem. I switched off of MikroTik to go to Canopy, but use MikroTik for all my Routing, some backhauls, and at the base of every tower. I've had 112's, 532's, 133's, 600's, 800's 411's, etc. I have seen it drop the config during a few beta upgrades back in 3.0...but not since. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
We will, however, continue to use Mikrotik for ethernet routers. Thought that was fair to say. We don't like the build-it-yourself WIRELESS devices... - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Not a fan of that myself as well. I have had good success with the APs - just make sure you have a set of boxes ready to replace. I use a pole with two pipe to pipe clamps and on the pipe use the sector and enclosure. Bit heavier on the installation day but replacements are pretty easy. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We will, however, continue to use Mikrotik for ethernet routers. Thought that was fair to say. We don't like the build-it-yourself WIRELESS devices... - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reverse Engineer BAM Authentication
Moto said at today's DoubleRadius event that a future software release will open up the AAA features. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 10:55 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: Has anyone reversed engineered the BAM SM authentication? We would like to add this as a feature to our in-house software. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
At my house, I live in a hole with about ¾ mile of solid oak trees between me and the tower. 2.4Ghz in the late spring (meaning good, saturated leaves) I can run 4meg. When it rains, service will be spotty and sometimes drop. I would never install a customer in those conditions. We do have a few customers through trees, but with our noise floor here, we dont do much more than just a few trees at a pretty close proximity to our APs. I wouldnt even think about 5Ghz through trees at all. 3650 havent done anything through trees yet so I dont know. 900Mhz worked great for us for awhile but noise floor went too high and couldnt work around it so we pulled all our 900 equipment. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick White Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:50 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation, but they aren't. I've found a few instances online of people going 1 mile with 5.8 through some trees and still pulling off a -65 and 20Mbps of throughput - this was PTP. I know 3.65Ghz is supposed to be somewhere between 2.4 and 5.8 in terms of tree penetration, but I'm thinking this might be a good place to use 3.65, simply because of the lack of noise. I have never worked with 900Mhz as of yet. This was our initial alternative, but there is the added cost of deployment - $160 for a LocoM900 vs $80 for a NanobridgeM2. Literally doubles our ROI. On 9/13/2010 3:58 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them. We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more feature-rich. Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Keep in mind that there are builders out there that are WISPA members, which should be able to build your MT boards correctly. They can FCC Certify MT gear as well and deliver a product that is just like UBNT if you wish. Please contact me off-list if you are interested in this type of service. We send out hundreds of radios built/tested/upgraded etc! Some send us a default configuration and we even load it up like that. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them. We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more feature-rich. Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
Ive never deployed Canopy 900. Vendor materials say it will work at a 3 db C/I. Can you keep a solid connection w/ decent throughput at that ratio? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:05 PM To: n...@atomsplash.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile At my house, I live in a hole with about ¾ mile of solid oak trees between me and the tower. 2.4Ghz in the late spring (meaning good, saturated leaves) I can run 4meg. When it rains, service will be spotty and sometimes drop. I would never install a customer in those conditions. We do have a few customers through trees, but with our noise floor here, we dont do much more than just a few trees at a pretty close proximity to our APs. I wouldnt even think about 5Ghz through trees at all. 3650 havent done anything through trees yet so I dont know. 900Mhz worked great for us for awhile but noise floor went too high and couldnt work around it so we pulled all our 900 equipment. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick White Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:50 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation, but they aren't. I've found a few instances online of people going 1 mile with 5.8 through some trees and still pulling off a -65 and 20Mbps of throughput - this was PTP. I know 3.65Ghz is supposed to be somewhere between 2.4 and 5.8 in terms of tree penetration, but I'm thinking this might be a good place to use 3.65, simply because of the lack of noise. I have never worked with 900Mhz as of yet. This was our initial alternative, but there is the added cost of deployment - $160 for a LocoM900 vs $80 for a NanobridgeM2. Literally doubles our ROI. On 9/13/2010 3:58 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3137 - Release Date: 09/15/10 14:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DoubleRadius event report
Motorola was talking about their 7181 outdoor WIFI product today. I asked how it compared to Ruckus and they had an answer. I believe they said their advantage was no head controller. However, looking at the Ruckus list pricing from last year, the Motorola is much more expensive, even if you include the Ruckus controller, which isn't always required. Anyone have any real comparisons between the two? Also, I heard that there's a 48x version coming out soon. It's supposedly going to be 80ish megabits. Anyone have any information on that? Another point: Someone finally has a PoE unit integrated into a WIFI router. It should be compatible with all Motorola SMs, including new series. Should be $45 - $50. DoubleRadius will be shipping that by year's end. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
About the only product that will work that low. What do you call decent throughput? I think 2x requires 6dbm. On Sep 16, 2010 3:40 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Ive never deployed Canopy 900. Vendor materials say it will work at a 3 db C/I. Can you keep a solid connection w/ decent throughput at that ratio? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3137 - Release Date: 09/15/10 14:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile
It will link in 1X mode at 3dB S/N and 2X at 10dB S/N. you need to maintain those levels so you need to add enough gain to deal with trees in the spring which tend to have the highest loss of the year. with that said, 900 MHz is a bad bet IMO. If you plan to roll out 900, you need to look at it one of two ways: 1. the noise is as bad as it's going to get (i.e. smart meters or other FHSS 900MHz system are rolled out) and you engineer around it. 2. you plan for a future noise floor of -60dB and engineer around that. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile Ive never deployed Canopy 900. Vendor materials say it will work at a 3 db C/I. Can you keep a solid connection w/ decent throughput at that ratio? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:05 PM To: n...@atomsplash.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile At my house, I live in a hole with about ¾ mile of solid oak trees between me and the tower. 2.4Ghz in the late spring (meaning good, saturated leaves) I can run 4meg. When it rains, service will be spotty and sometimes drop. I would never install a customer in those conditions. We do have a few customers through trees, but with our noise floor here, we don't do much more than just a few trees at a pretty close proximity to our AP's. I wouldn't even think about 5Ghz through trees at all. 3650 - haven't done anything through trees yet so I don't know. 900Mhz worked great for us for awhile but noise floor went too high and couldn't work around it so we pulled all our 900 equipment. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick White Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:50 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation, but they aren't. I've found a few instances online of people going 1 mile with 5.8 through some trees and still pulling off a -65 and 20Mbps of throughput - this was PTP. I know 3.65Ghz is supposed to be somewhere between 2.4 and 5.8 in terms of tree penetration, but I'm thinking this might be a good place to use 3.65, simply because of the lack of noise. I have never worked with 900Mhz as of yet. This was our initial alternative, but there is the added cost of deployment - $160 for a LocoM900 vs $80 for a NanobridgeM2. Literally doubles our ROI. On 9/13/2010 3:58 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees especially at that distance - sub 1 mile is awesome - but doubt you will see the 10mbps speeds you wish. 5ghz is your best choice - if you can use it. setting up both 2.4 and 5ghz sectors may help - double the cost - but in the end - would allow you the most flexibility On Sep 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nick White wrote: om this tower, no one in town would be more than .75 miles away. I'm thinking 10Mhz channels - 1, 6, 11. If we do this, I will likely use the UBNT shields that I've seen for sale with three 120deg sectors. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.comhttp://www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.commailto:gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3137 - Release Date: 09/15/10 14:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
There are many vendors offering built CPEs and APs based on MT hardware. They don't have to build-it-yourself just because MT doesn't do the packaging. On 9/16/2010 3:23 PM, Mark Nash wrote: Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them. We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more feature-rich. Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Agreed. You're going to find MT products that suit your needs. UBNT is getting my business these days because of 2 things... cost trust. They've made a huge impact on the WISP business, no denying that. They've done it by creating a product that can be trusted at a good price point. Quality control from a reputable, proven company is important to me, more important than features. This was an ideal that made me want to go to Trangos everywhere even though they were more expensive. I didn't want to pay Trango pricing, but I have realized that there is, by and large, a cost to cheap. Now, enter UBNT, a manufacturer who has invested in their business enough to develop processes that lower the manufacturing costs while maintaining a reasonable quality. I hope this pays off... We all gamble with our money, don't we? The need to drive cost down is a giant weight around our necks. Those who gamble with someone else's money use Moto or Trango in my experience. I know of a WISP who has about 800 customers using Trango gear and they only have about 2 service calls a month. I say to myself that would be nice. But then I say to myself for 5 years now I've paid for absolutely EVERYTHING out of my checking account...my money. That WISP with 800 users 2 service calls per month...owes more money than they're worth. - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik There are many vendors offering built CPEs and APs based on MT hardware. They don't have to build-it-yourself just because MT doesn't do the packaging. On 9/16/2010 3:23 PM, Mark Nash wrote: Also, to be fair, I've never had a problem with Mikrotik because I have never used Mikrotik radios (neither CPE or AP). We've had StarOS. So, while my frustration comes from StarOS wireless devices, I lump Mikrotik in with them because of the build-them-yourself nature of them. We actually LOVE the StarOS software, and Mikrotik is even more feature-rich. Just don't want to have to put up with the hardware and touchy installation of that hardware. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik YMMV. I've had near flawless performance from my Mikrotik systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/16/2010 1:04 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Same here. I think we had up to 1500 MT radios in the field. No higher failure rate or issues than any other product (Trango, Canopy, etc.). Travis Microserv On 9/16/2010 12:39 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: At one point we had about 1300 MikroTiks in the field. I never had this problem. I switched off of MikroTik to go to Canopy, but use MikroTik for all my Routing, some backhauls, and at the base of every tower. I've had 112's, 532's, 133's, 600's, 800's 411's, etc. I have seen it drop the config during a few beta upgrades back in 3.0...but not since. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo
Just installed one this week. Nice interface, kind of like an EL-500, but with different format. A few more controlable parameters than the TR6 series. My question is is this a new direction, a stop gap, or something from Aperto? Phil On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:20 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone tried the new Tranzeo EX-2's? http://www.tranzeo.com/products/radios/EX2 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
I hear ya, my brother. No flaming here. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
While I have more Mikrotik then Canopy, I have had several ethernet ports blown on Mikrotik and I have zero failure with Canopy, though less then a hundred deployed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Same here. I think we had up to 1500 MT radios in the field. No higher failure rate or issues than any other product (Trango, Canopy, etc.). Travis Microserv On 9/16/2010 12:39 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: At one point we had about 1300 MikroTiks in the field. I never had this problem. I switched off of MikroTik to go to Canopy, but use MikroTik for all my Routing, some backhauls, and at the base of every tower. I've had 112's, 532's, 133's, 600's, 800's 411's, etc. I have seen it drop the config during a few beta upgrades back in 3.0...but not since. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reverse Engineer BAM Authentication
I have, for basic bandwidth and authentication control. Works if you can work with a perl library: http://code.google.com/p/jungleauth/ On Thursday, September 16, 2010, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone reversed engineered the BAM SM authentication? We would like to add this as a feature to our in-house software. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
I don't use the SS's, but we've probably blown 10 ethernet ports this year on Canopy...out of almost roughly 700. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: While I have more Mikrotik then Canopy, I have had several ethernet ports blown on Mikrotik and I have zero failure with Canopy, though less then a hundred deployed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Same here. I think we had up to 1500 MT radios in the field. No higher failure rate or issues than any other product (Trango, Canopy, etc.). Travis Microserv On 9/16/2010 12:39 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: At one point we had about 1300 MikroTiks in the field. I never had this problem. I switched off of MikroTik to go to Canopy, but use MikroTik for all my Routing, some backhauls, and at the base of every tower. I've had 112's, 532's, 133's, 600's, 800's 411's, etc. I have seen it drop the config during a few beta upgrades back in 3.0...but not since. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
Make me a good deal on the Mikrotiks. On 9/16/2010 11:04 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
I've had or our WISP customers have had dead radios from Alvarion to Zecomax over the years and really, really expensive ones like Bridgewave, Ceragon, Dragonwave. So far I haven't found a bullet proof electronic device yet. All of them have there problems. I just can't afford to spend $20K to light up a tower with the new Alvarion WiMAX and do $100 installs to wait 4 years for ROI. I also can't afford to use cheap junk, loose custs, and have a fleet of vans for service calls. I need the best I can get for what I can afford. We've lost a few ethernet ports and receivers over the years but I still have to go with Mikrotik on cost/quality/features. I tried a rocket link to a new tower we just lit up in Potosi MO. It ran great with low latency and high throughput for about 3 weeks. I plunged head first into a rock. Now the tower is running on the backup MT link. I can see the the rocket in the MT neighbor list but can't ping, ssh, telnet, or even mac-telnet into it. It's almost 1-1/2hr drive, 65 miles as a crow flies, 9 hops, and 9ms as a packet flies across the Mikrotik network to get to that tower. Guess I'll just let the MT run for now until I get a round tuit. #This is actual client traffic no bandwidth tests or file transfers when I ran the tracert. [ad...@wifimw Core] tool torch interface=ether2 TX RX TX-PACKETS RX-PACKETS 20.4Mbps 2.4Mbps2225 1398 [ad...@wifimw Core] tool traceroute 10.0.40.1 ADDRESSSTATUS 1 10.251.0.2 2ms 1ms 1ms 2 10.251.0.10 2ms 5ms 1ms 3 10.251.0.22 5ms 4ms 4ms 4 10.50.1.5 4ms 5ms 3ms 5 10.0.97.21 7ms 4ms 3ms 6 10.252.0.10 6ms 9ms 8ms 7 10.0.30.51 9ms 5ms 7ms 8 10.0.36.2 8ms 11ms 5ms 9 10.0.40.1 9ms 8ms 7ms Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 9/16/2010 6:48 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I don't use the SS's, but we've probably blown 10 ethernet ports this year on Canopy...out of almost roughly 700. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: While I have more Mikrotik then Canopy, I have had several ethernet ports blown on Mikrotik and I have zero failure with Canopy, though less then a hundred deployed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: Same here. I think we had up to 1500 MT radios in the field. No higher failure rate or issues than any other product (Trango, Canopy, etc.). Travis Microserv On 9/16/2010 12:39 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: At one point we had about 1300 MikroTiks in the field. I never had this problem. I switched off of MikroTik to go to Canopy, but use MikroTik for all my Routing, some backhauls, and at the base of every tower. I've had 112's, 532's, 133's, 600's, 800's 411's, etc. I have seen it drop the config during a few beta upgrades back in 3.0...but not since. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik.
Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
For me, the StarOS/WRAP combo performed very well since 2004. The only issues I had were coax related. Otherwise, I agree, I dont like equipment you have to put together. I save my tinkering around for personal stuff but much rather have a fully designed radio for commercial purposes. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.netwrote: There's something to be said for losing faith in a technology. For me, it's the build-it-yourself radios. All of them. Mikrotik StarOS. For me, I see such a high service call rate for repairs, the need to put in redundant backhauls sooner than later because we can almost guarantee something's going to malfunction. Ubiquiti has brought to us good enough pricing to have us make the leap of faith and hopefully their product is more stable over time, keeping much of the success or failure of a unit out of the hands of the installer. - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik I have about 30 seconds to leave this, I'm going to pull every Mikrotik I have, that's about 30 radios and replace them with UBNIT. I'm sick and tired of spending all last night because two radios just dropped their IP setting to 0.0.0.0 and the other MAC to 0.0.0.0, today another system storm crash, what stayed up, my two Ubiquiti towers. You can say what you want but I have daily outages, we never find the cause and I'm sick of it... flame away I don't care I'm just sick of Mikrotik. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
