Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
The pressure of government or Industry pushing IPv6 for the sake of the protocol has never worked. Forcing change is difficult. But what we cant ignore is 1) IPv4 available space is disapearing. 2) There are actually benefits to IPv6, where WISPs might want to start using it for their own benefit. Its not so hard to embrase change when someone sees clearly the return on their investment in change. Some facts are... 1. VIDEO can be delviered more cost effectively and efficiently over IPv6, because multicast is native and required for IPv6 operation. 2. Long path (east coast to west coast) latency can often be heavilly reduced, because of the ability to use very large packet/window sizes. This is becoming more important as the GLobal INternet expands. Of course there are many other advantages. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6? While it is true that the HE tunnel is IPv4 on the HE-facing side, the MT is doing true IPv6 on the internal side. I have had my Windows XP laptop, a couple of MT routers and a Linux server all connected and they do IPv6 just fine and use the HE tunnel as well. Keep in mind, v6 is not new, it is well over 10 years old. Lots of things work better than you may think using v6. On 1/13/2011 7:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: When did they add on IPv6? I see on some of my 4.x routers I see VERY simple services - IP discovery, addresses and routes. I think the only real way to deploy ipv6 with MT is on rc7. You're the only brave soul I know of. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm not offended at all. I appreciate your comments and the privilege of being in the forum. When I read what you wrote about how the HE tunnel is IPv4 as far as the MT router is concerned (that had escaped me). But I still would be interested to know if others are doing true IPv6 through the MT RB750/RB450. Greg On Jan 13, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: My point is that you're a step away from accomplishing what you're asking others for at no consequence. I apologize if I offended you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wires, wires, more wires!
And why is the sky green? Oh, that's a building... :o/ Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] wires, wires, more wires! See attached. I wonder which country that is? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wires, wires, more wires!
Looks like Marlon doing DSL ! LOL! On 1/13/2011 10:34 PM, RickG wrote: See attached. I wonder which country that is? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wires, wires, more wires!
It's kinda the same way here in America when you hit a east coastal town down south. After a hurricane they don't even remove the old they just wrap it around bundle it up and duct tape it to the pole. I took some pictures of it down in florida when I went to destin a couple years ago. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:18 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] wires, wires, more wires! Looks like Marlon doing DSL ! LOL! On 1/13/2011 10:34 PM, RickG wrote: See attached. I wonder which country that is? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
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[WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?
Fred, I thought about posting back to you all day yesterday and finally decided to. I agree that there will always be some sort of IPV4 out and available. They are constantly trying to get universities who were given huge blocks that have used less than 5% to relinquish parts of it. But as Tom DeReggi has stated that there is other benefits. I am not excited about being a bleeding edge adopter but I am looking forward to more training on this issue and being prepared for when there is a benefit for my clients. The reason I take this stance is I have been in the computer industry for 26 years. I know almost ever DOS command there is and can still write a pretty mean batch file menu system if needed in a pinch. One day my largest client at that time with 100 workstations and the new Novel 2.15 server asked me what I thought about this new Windows 2.86 software. I told him that it was all a fad why would you want to rum more than lotus 123 and WordPerfect. When Windows 3.0 came out I got a copy and started playing with it and I thought I might be wrong. I setup a meeting with that large company and told them I was wrong. They informed me that they already knew that and due to my short sidedness they had just signed a service agreement with another company. I lost a company that I had made $150K off of the previous year. I vowed to never look at future possibilities the same. Y2K was a bust but I made lots of money giving lectures telling people that I had no idea what was going to be happening but that all organizations needed to plan for emergencies and have back plans whether it was Y2K, a fire, an Ice storm, or a tornado. Same goes with IPV6. I am not sure what will happen or if it even will. But I need to have a plan to be ready no matter what comes. The federal government has set a directive to make all their networks IPV6 compliant by next year I believe. So if I want to be able to service their traffic then I have to have it. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6? At 1/13/2011 11:59 AM, you wrote: I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already doing it. Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time. Personal opinion: IPv6 is worth less than the paper its RFC is printed on. Ignore it and it will go away. Really. I am very concerned being that only 2 percent of the IPv4 pool remains. http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/ In a few months we may not be able to get more IPv4 space. What then? NAT everyone? Ugh, with thousands of custommers thats an ugly proposition. How do you track down abuse, subpoena issues and so many other things... That's Y2K redux, a fear campaign. HE in particular is trying to use it as a differentiator. What is running out is virgin, never-before-assigned IPv4 space. It is like the land offices in the homestead era. Eventually they ran out of land. Yet farming continued. IPv4 addresses were initially handed out very inefficiently. There are many owners of blocks that are larger than needed. If you are qualified for a block, you are qualified to buy a block from someone who already has one. A market will happen, and I don't think it will be very expensive. Nor am I too concerned about NAT. NAT only breaks broken applications. Public servers need public addresses, but the mass market user doesn't. (Inability to handle subpoenas may be seen as an advantage...) Check out the Pouzin Society for an alternative. I've got some more on this on my web site. If one of your subscribers really needs to reach something only accessible via IPv6, they can tunnel out. But since there is no compatibility, the transition plan requires dual stack. So everything runs v4 until everybody is on v6. But since there's always more on v4 (everybody) than on v6 (those who have added the dual stack), there's no incentive for users to move to v4. The only benefit is to some ISPs, not to users. So users have little reason to move. (Sometimes users are smarter than some ISPs.) Plus v6 is an abomination, a misdesign of immense proportions, so you shouldn't buy into Cisco's fantasies. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?
Hi Steve, IPv6 is real.as is the need for it. The good news is that we'll get to benefit from work done internationally, as certain other countries are critically short of IPv4 space. Just when it will become something that is mandatory is still an open question. We've had a number of customers who are testing IPV6, but I'm not sure of anyone actually running it on their networks. Mostly it's being used internally on larger enterprise networks, as far as I've seen. There is a round-table on IPv6 at the WISPA program in Indy next week. Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust? Fred, I thought about posting back to you all day yesterday and finally decided to. I agree that there will always be some sort of IPV4 out and available. They are constantly trying to get universities who were given huge blocks that have used less than 5% to relinquish parts of it. But as Tom DeReggi has stated that there is other benefits. I am not excited about being a bleeding edge adopter but I am looking forward to more training on this issue and being prepared for when there is a benefit for my clients. The reason I take this stance is I have been in the computer industry for 26 years. I know almost ever DOS command there is and can still write a pretty mean batch file menu system if needed in a pinch. One day my largest client at that time with 100 workstations and the new Novel 2.15 server asked me what I thought about this new Windows 2.86 software. I told him that it was all a fad why would you want to rum more than lotus 123 and WordPerfect. When Windows 3.0 came out I got a copy and started playing with it and I thought I might be wrong. I setup a meeting with that large company and told them I was wrong. They informed me that they already knew that and due to my short sidedness they had just signed a service agreement with another company. I lost a company that I had made $150K off of the previous year. I vowed to never look at future possibilities the same. Y2K was a bust but I made lots of money giving lectures telling people that I had no idea what was going to be happening but that all organizations needed to plan for emergencies and have back plans whether it was Y2K, a fire, an Ice storm, or a tornado. Same goes with IPV6. I am not sure what will happen or if it even will. But I need to have a plan to be ready no matter what comes. The federal government has set a directive to make all their networks IPV6 compliant by next year I believe. So if I want to be able to service their traffic then I have to have it. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6? At 1/13/2011 11:59 AM, you wrote: I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already doing it. Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time. Personal opinion: IPv6 is worth less than the paper its RFC is printed on. Ignore it and it will go away. Really. I am very concerned being that only 2 percent of the IPv4 pool remains. http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/ In a few months we may not be able to get more IPv4 space. What then? NAT everyone? Ugh, with thousands of custommers thats an ugly proposition. How do you track down abuse, subpoena issues and so many other things... That's Y2K redux, a fear campaign. HE in particular is trying to use it as a differentiator. What is running out is virgin, never-before-assigned IPv4 space. It is like the land offices in the homestead era. Eventually they ran out of land. Yet farming continued. IPv4 addresses were initially handed out very inefficiently. There are many owners of blocks that are larger than needed. If you are qualified for a block, you are qualified to buy a block from someone who already has one. A market will happen, and I don't think it will be very expensive. Nor am I too concerned about NAT. NAT only breaks broken applications. Public servers need public addresses, but the mass market user doesn't. (Inability to handle subpoenas may be seen as an advantage...) Check out the Pouzin Society for an alternative. I've got some more on this on my web site. If one of your subscribers really needs to reach something only accessible via
[WISPA] Need Service
Can anyone service Monahans, Tx? This is west of Odessa, Tx. If you can or know of anyone that can please contact me. I have a business customer wanting service. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
At 1/14/2011 01:31 AM, Michael Mulcay wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0013_01CBB371.AEA7F3F0 Content-Language: en-us Fred, Tom DeReggi's comments were business-case based and constructive; basically exploring whether the Commission's NPRM on auxiliary stations would benefit the large operators or WISPs or both. In WSI's opinion the answer is both, but with WISPs getting the higher business growth percentage. Frankly, I do not see anything in your position that would benefit the WISP community. You do not know my position. What I was pointing out was twofold. One, your technique was bad; two, there are valid reasons (which Tom has spelled out well) to see the WSI position as not being a certain win for the WISP community. BTW I am not necessarily opposing all auxiliary-station use. But your presentation to the FCC doesn't make the case. Further, I have nearly thirty years of experience working with the FCC, initially with the Xerox XTEN filing, and later, at Western Multiplex as VP of Business Development I wrote the request for a Rule Making and an Immediate Waiver of the Rules pending a Rule Making to allow unlimited EIRP in the 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz ISM bands. Both were granted (with the 1 for 3 rule at 2.4GHz) and we were able to take Western Multiplex from the Living Dead (profitable with no growth) to a Star Performer (rapid profitable growth), growing the company by 25%, 50% and 100% in three consecutive years. I believe that auxiliary stations can give WISPs the same type of growth opportunity. I am guessing that in those cases, you didn't begin a presentation by putting a pointed set of insults (the whole obstructionism bit) into the Record. Your slide set might have been entertaining at a WISPA conference, or as a political broadside aimed at outsiders whose views of the FCC you wish to lower. But as a presentation to be mainly read by the professional staffers at the FCC, who are for the most part dedicated, competent people whose work is fettered by politics from above, it struck me as counterproductive. They do not want to be insulted. Most of my regulatory work is in the Part 51 area (mainly CLECs), which is predominantly political. What technical questions arise there are usually resolved on a political, not fact-based, basis, mainly as cover for an industry position. I still harbor some illusions that Part 101 and Part 15, to give two examples, are handled on a somewhat more honest basis, with technical rather than political judgement being most important. The current version of the old joke is that the FCC staff is 1500 lawyers and Stagg Newman, but I know there are really a few other engineers left to help keep Stagg sane. To be sure, WTB is rather politicized, and my own experiences with them are not so good, but a lot of that has to do with internal politics and silos. I think the auctioned spectrum is subject to a lot more political pressure. I believe your last paragraph summarizes your view, so I will address this paragraph. But Part 101 is all about using conventional means Wrong -- Part 101Fixed Service rules are about the use of spectrum for Fixed Services, fortunately not about conventional means as this would preclude innovation. I have no problem with innovation. As you might have noted, I think there's good reason to have more PtMP services, like a new updated DTS. And indeed I do think that some of the current requirements of Part 101 Fixed Services lead to excessive cost. Especially outside of the most congested areas, for instance, smaller antennas, with less wind loading, would be most useful. My comment on narrowband is that they require very high spectrum efficiency (hence the whole issue over adaptive modulation) using narrowband means, which rules out OFDM-type approaches which might (I'm only guessing) in practice work as well (using lower interference margins and more FEC, for instance). (narrow beams, narrow bands) to squeeze in as many PtP users as possible via coordination, not auctions. There are two problems with the conventional approach: 1. Narrower and narrower beams mean larger and larger antennas with the related dramatic increases in CAPEX and OPEX, and even then they are still not perfect. 2. The FS market requirement is for higher and higher speeds requiring higher and higher bandwidths, not narrower and narrower bandwidths. I agree. What I'd like to avoid at all costs are auctions, whether explicit or implicit (sorry, no more licenses available, so then a company who has them will be bought by a Wall Street firm for the sake of resale, essentially a private auction). It works pretty well. Actually it works very poorly as demonstrated by the difficulty of Prior Coordinating new 6GHz and 11GHz paths in cities such as New York and Los Angeles. I'm not sure it's working poorly. Those areas are
Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question
Tom asked, A relevent question is... What percent of Pre-existing PArt-101 licenses are owned by who? For example, what percentage of PArt101 licenses are owned by Sprint or Fiber tower? Surely without those numbers disclosed, we really cant understand who these auxilary stations really would be helping. If our competitors own most of the PArt101 licenses, Icant agree that helping our competitors be more successful will make WISPs more sucessful. I'd want to see that private independant WISPs and WISP industry own a significantly large enough portion of the PArt101 band already. Can we get these specs? FCC microwave license data is public; you can download the whole database. I've done this a couple of times, most recently a bit more than a year ago. (Warning: It's pretty tricky to work with. It's relational, with a ton of little files, and they just distribute the text files, not the SQL that may generate the most interesting answers. But if you like hacking in Access, it can be fun to try.) From that data, not today's, here is the count of the top 100 licensee names. (L=licensee; CL=licensee contact) entity_name entity_type CountOfcall_sign Verizon WirelessCL 6956 FIBERTOWER CORPORATION CL 3930 New Cingular Wireless PCS, LLC L 3450 HOLLAND KNIGHT LLPCL 3389 FiberTower Network Services Corp. L 3265 RADIO DYNAMICS CORPORATION CL 2988 Cingular Wireless LLC CL 2484 METROPOLITAN AREA NETWORKS, INC L 2460 ATT Mobility LLC CL 2270 Keller and Heckman LLP CL 1977 UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD L 1480 Comsearch CL 1471 UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD CL 1461 CLEARWIRE SPECTRUM HOLDINGS III, LLCCL 1416 ATT CORP. CL 1355 Clearwire Spectrum Holdings III, LLCL 1185 CELLCO PARTNERSHIP L 1174 Teligent, Inc. CL 1108 Sensus CL 1090 T-Mobile License LLCL 1064 Consolidated Spectrum Services CL 1003 LOS ANGELES SMSA LIMITED PARTNERSHIPL 968 ATT CORP. L 895 Clearwire Corporation CL 798 TELECOM TRANSPORT MANAGEMENT, INC. L 797 McDERMOTT WILL EMERY LLP CL 789 Verizon Wireless (VAW) LLC L 786 CLEARWIRE SPECTRUM HOLDINGS II LLC L 775 KATLINK LLC (debtor-in-possession) L 770 KATLINK LLC (debtor-in-possession) O 770 Telecom Transport Management, Inc. CL 752 Covington Burling LLP CL 745 CLEARWIRE SPECTRUM HOLDINGS II LLC CL 737 BNSF Railway Co.L 726 Dow, Lohnes Albertson, PLLC CL 723 BNSF Railway Co.CL 718 Conterra Ultra Broadband, LLC L 679 Conterra Ultra Broadband, LLC CL 677 McDERMOTT, WILL EMERY CL 648 ATT CORP L 615 T-Mobile License LLCCL 608 W. Stephen Cannon, Management Trustee L 599 W. Stephen Cannon, Management Trustee O 599 Dow Lohnes PLLC CL 599 Qwest Corporation L 586 Qwest Corporation CL 576 BACKLINK V, LLC CL 575 BACKLINK V, LLC L 575 ART Licensing Corp. L 571 Constantine Cannon CL 571 Alltel Communications, LLC L 552 WILKINSON BARKER KNAUER, LLPCL 550 TRILLION PARTNERS, INC. CL 538 Trillion Partners, Inc. L 529 BACKLINK IV, LLCL 511 BACKLINK IV, LLCCL 511 BACKLINK III, LLC L 508 BACKLINK III, LLC CL 508 BACKLINK II, LLCL 506 BACKLINK II, LLCCL 506 BACKLINK I, LLC L 505 BACKLINK I, LLC CL 505 CHEVRON USA INC L 495 CBS BROADCASTING INC. L 492 NBC TELEMUNDO LICENSE CO. L 490 Clearwire Spectrum Holdings II, LLC L 484 Northrop Grumman Information Technology, Inc. L 467 Northrop Grumman Information Technology, Inc. CL 462 Sprint Nextel Corporation CL 453 GTECH CORPORATION L 452 Stratos Offshore Services Company CL 447 ALLTEL COMMUNICATIONS, INC. CL 447 Alltel Communications, LLC CL 438 CAPSTAR TX LIMITED PARTNERSHIP L 428 Wiley Rein LLP CL 426 MCI WORLDCOM NETWORK SERVICES INC L 425 American Electric Power Service Corporation CL 410 CALIFORNIA, STATE OFL 406 Covington Burling CL 406 Brooks, Pierce, et al. CL 403 Pacific Gas and Electric CompanyL 398 Winstar Wireless Fiber Corp. (Chapter 7 Debtor) L 395 Winstar Wireless Fiber Corp. (Chapter 7 Debtor) O 395 UTC SPECTRUM SERVICES CL 391 SprintCom, Inc. L 386 Teligent License Company II, L.L.C. (debtor-in-possession) L 385 Teligent License Company II, L.L.C. (debtor-in-possession) O 385 Graham Brock, Inc. CL 384 MICHIGAN, STATE OF L 380 MOTOROLA INCL 380 Pacific Gas and Electric CompanyCL 374 PACIFICORP L 369 Gannett Co.,
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?
At 1/14/2011 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Fred, I thought about posting back to you all day yesterday and finally decided to. Glad you did. I don't mind taking unpopular views. I agree that there will always be some sort of IPV4 out and available. They are constantly trying to get universities who were given huge blocks that have used less than 5% to relinquish parts of it. But as Tom DeReggi has stated that there is other benefits. I am not excited about being a bleeding edge adopter but I am looking forward to more training on this issue and being prepared for when there is a benefit for my clients. WRT v4, since v6 lacks compatibility, we're stuck preserving v4 for everyone for a long time, so we should expect to use more CGNAT, and more efficient address assignment rules. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm not so sure that these other benefits are real, or require v6. I saw how IPv6 was created, and what the rules were at the time. It was a very sorry process. They had previously adopted a much better IPv7, but misbehaving children on the IETF made total arses of themselves (Lyman was getting about 70 phone calls *per hour*) and convinced IAB to reopen the issue. (Specifically, Vint changed his vote.) Their objection was purely poltical; IPv7 (TUBA) was based on IS8473, CLNP. And thus it was tainted, even though CLNP was the *good* part of the OSI program. The good people were then frustrated and left. The B-team put IPv6 together, starting with a silly rule that it should only fix the address space problem, not any fundamental architectural issues in IP (some of which were addressed by TUBA). So 17 years later, in a very different world, we have a very costly proposal with very limited benefits. I am (not here, but in other fora) proposing that we migrate away from TCP/IP per se and towards a newer protocol suite. What I'm backing is simpler than migrating to v6, coexists better with v4, and offers much more real benefits to its adopters (user and ISP alike). The reason I take this stance is I have been in the computer industry for 26 years. I know almost ever DOS command there is and can still write a pretty mean batch file menu system if needed in a pinch. One day my largest client at that time with 100 workstations and the new Novel 2.15 server asked me what I thought about this new Windows 2.86 software. I told him that it was all a fad why would you want to rum more than lotus 123 and WordPerfect. When Windows 3.0 came out I got a copy and started playing with it and I thought I might be wrong. I setup a meeting with that large company and told them I was wrong. They informed me that they already knew that and due to my short sidedness they had just signed a service agreement with another company. I lost a company that I had made $150K off of the previous year. I vowed to never look at future possibilities the same. Ironically, IPv6 was designed when Windows 3 was bleeding edge, Word Perfect dominated, and Novell was the king of networking. IP itself is older than MS-DOS. IPv6 is sort of like adding LIM expanded memory (remember that?) to DOS. It handles bigger data tables, but it's still DOS. Yes, customers may ask for it, so you may be stuck for a while supplying it, but that's no reason to embrace it as The Solution or spend a lot on it. Y2K was a bust but I made lots of money giving lectures telling people that I had no idea what was going to be happening but that all organizations needed to plan for emergencies and have back plans whether it was Y2K, a fire, an Ice storm, or a tornado. Same goes with IPV6. I am not sure what will happen or if it even will. But I need to have a plan to be ready no matter what comes. The federal government has set a directive to make all their networks IPV6 compliant by next year I believe. So if I want to be able to service their traffic then I have to have it. I remember the 1985 GOSIP requirement too. Government procurements had to be OSI compatible. So yeah, people made money selling it. But nobody actually used it... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?
I pushed UBNT on this directly - as they have not given a direct date. http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26668 ARIN had been giving IPV6 out for FREE - so it is not just a dream With vendors (like Time Warner) trying to charge $1 per IP (that is where they start the negotiating) - that new market will still be an expensive one for IPv6 Yes there is a waste of IPv4 ... but IPv6 is more than a pipe dream... It is a reality and one that we need to embrace sooner than later HE.Net has an excellent tutorial online - gives you a Free certification (yay - something to put on the fridge next to your kids school stuff ) and They provide a FREE tunnel for you to push IPV6 to IPV4 traffic - even over BGP My vote is - we embrace it - as it will only help us. On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Have you actually tested that? I ask because I expect it to work, too, but haven't actually done it myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Sure Ubnt in bridge mode works fine. We still need native v6 support. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already doing it. Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very soon. Currently only handing out ipv4. I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of course. So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel with prefix delegation and find out. Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice (pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik). Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time. Greg - -- Charles N Wyble (char...@knownelement.com) Systems craftsman for the stars http://www.knownelement.com Mobile: 626 539 4344 Office: 310 929 8793 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNL1LyAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt2QkP/31PZuaL5xY3f3QDt0/2eSkg 03pKgN5OJM9THHIjchyFQJuAwzoxc6g8CsqbfNQEWNaOqpgwSWPLJXv9YaJZ8KKK xxYeX70fsLTU1jYKVjbHE+vA+Hwq2VjgecDLrzI1m7/tIbUdHWlWscKYr65l6IJR Bd8pVRwokbvdr7XvOIeBL77cAC5DPzpFayP/YWZBGpOM2JT4BU5R3cru4KZSIswN IjGY64Ofc7YW5PIvQasDvSLTGikKj5hhCoKhALrHoazGy2oevBWZ1E86LvxbTJ04 JPIof8WihpKA/VJQAfo+7UirXAQnpGfb4O6FAiPrhlfR61Z5hPGxMbpVPTZhS+Vx PXR1+X+m2UJicdAs+O+bhN3BBRgaXb4Fj9fituyQW/2UcGvyD/iiAiWg9u2nDdfY muQ8lv/nx0wC8e5VscZ9cBMKkh7l2Z6QkKhfwrcyfwLFVG6KGTvpoNDYAU1UGTGU u1Zb7Gbht3awn18yu4693HWu5PCYEKJ4Sl29ew1avRpf80pFDzXyNnJ+YSjuo159 ZbUYTbKlFYOrdxK2k2lxe4sCOSRq0/B0n3y3Z4ummkyKlTJnnVQpz0rozus3fteT t+q2tJxkIJ61aAPUrcq3kl6UAc+KZ+SjHKeZwtbFt3J1gbFoHG3izdDOUrZaF4zW TLZ9++N8yZOW8Pko9Xb3 =i8uH -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?
good points Fred. I tend to look @ things differently 1. IPv7 is not here 2. IPv6 is Moving forward only helps all of us - and it is not a move 1 step forward and 2 steps back ... so in this case the vendors supporting IPV6 just makes sense. On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 1/14/2011 10:15 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Fred, I thought about posting back to you all day yesterday and finally decided to. Glad you did. I don't mind taking unpopular views. I agree that there will always be some sort of IPV4 out and available. They are constantly trying to get universities who were given huge blocks that have used less than 5% to relinquish parts of it. But as Tom DeReggi has stated that there is other benefits. I am not excited about being a bleeding edge adopter but I am looking forward to more training on this issue and being prepared for when there is a benefit for my clients. WRT v4, since v6 lacks compatibility, we're stuck preserving v4 for everyone for a long time, so we should expect to use more CGNAT, and more efficient address assignment rules. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm not so sure that these other benefits are real, or require v6. I saw how IPv6 was created, and what the rules were at the time. It was a very sorry process. They had previously adopted a much better IPv7, but misbehaving children on the IETF made total arses of themselves (Lyman was getting about 70 phone calls *per hour*) and convinced IAB to reopen the issue. (Specifically, Vint changed his vote.) Their objection was purely poltical; IPv7 (TUBA) was based on IS8473, CLNP. And thus it was tainted, even though CLNP was the *good* part of the OSI program. The good people were then frustrated and left. The B-team put IPv6 together, starting with a silly rule that it should only fix the address space problem, not any fundamental architectural issues in IP (some of which were addressed by TUBA). So 17 years later, in a very different world, we have a very costly proposal with very limited benefits. I am (not here, but in other fora) proposing that we migrate away from TCP/IP per se and towards a newer protocol suite. What I'm backing is simpler than migrating to v6, coexists better with v4, and offers much more real benefits to its adopters (user and ISP alike). The reason I take this stance is I have been in the computer industry for 26 years. I know almost ever DOS command there is and can still write a pretty mean batch file menu system if needed in a pinch. One day my largest client at that time with 100 workstations and the new Novel 2.15 server asked me what I thought about this new Windows 2.86 software. I told him that it was all a fad why would you want to rum more than lotus 123 and WordPerfect. When Windows 3.0 came out I got a copy and started playing with it and I thought I might be wrong. I setup a meeting with that large company and told them I was wrong. They informed me that they already knew that and due to my short sidedness they had just signed a service agreement with another company. I lost a company that I had made $150K off of the previous year. I vowed to never look at future possibilities the same. Ironically, IPv6 was designed when Windows 3 was bleeding edge, Word Perfect dominated, and Novell was the king of networking. IP itself is older than MS-DOS. IPv6 is sort of like adding LIM expanded memory (remember that?) to DOS. It handles bigger data tables, but it's still DOS. Yes, customers may ask for it, so you may be stuck for a while supplying it, but that's no reason to embrace it as The Solution or spend a lot on it. Y2K was a bust but I made lots of money giving lectures telling people that I had no idea what was going to be happening but that all organizations needed to plan for emergencies and have back plans whether it was Y2K, a fire, an Ice storm, or a tornado. Same goes with IPV6. I am not sure what will happen or if it even will. But I need to have a plan to be ready no matter what comes. The federal government has set a directive to make all their networks IPV6 compliant by next year I believe. So if I want to be able to service their traffic then I have to have it. I remember the 1985 GOSIP requirement too. Government procurements had to be OSI compatible. So yeah, people made money selling it. But nobody actually used it... -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?
At 1/14/2011 12:07 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: good points Fred. I tend to look @ things differently 1. IPv7 is not here Ironically, at the time it was adopted, it had already been implemented in the major routers and many hosts. It was ready to go. (Of course it has been set aside since then, and we now know that it is not different enough from IP to be worth doing.) IPv6 was starting over from scratch. 2. IPv6 is Well, sort of. I don't think it's ready for prime time. Moving forward only helps all of us - and it is not a move 1 step forward and 2 steps back ... so in this case the vendors supporting IPV6 just makes sense. No, it's a move three steps mostly back, since IPv6 is technically the wrong direction. The problem is that people assume that IETF is somehow infallible, as if they were smarter than us, so we don't question their mistakes, even if we suspect them. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
As of yesterday, none of my vendors had it in stock. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi anybody using this new thing: RouterBOARD SXT 5HnD MikroTik RouterBoard SXT 5HnD is a low cost, high speed 5GHz wireless device. Dual chain 802.11n and Nv2 TDMA technology help to achieve even 200Mbit real throughput speed. Complete with a ready to mount enclosure and built-in antenna, this is the perfect CPE. Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
There is a problem with the 200Mbit real throughput speed. The ethernet is One 10/100 Ethernet port. Details at http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=108 Thoughts Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
Same issue with Ubnt. I find it amusing that this can happen. I have 700 horsepower, but alas my transmission can only handle 350 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of richard sterne Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik) There is a problem with the 200Mbit real throughput speed. The ethernet is One 10/100 Ethernet port. Details at http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=108 Thoughts Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:01 PM, richard sterne wrote: There is a problem with the 200Mbit real throughput speed. The ethernet is One 10/100 Ethernet port. Details at http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=108 Thoughts Most wireless data rates are specified as aggregate data rates. At 200mbps aggregate the theoretical maximum bandwidth supported on that link at full-duplex would be 100mbps, thus the reason for the 10/100 port. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
That may not be the issue though. I'm grasping at straws since I have configured everything as per the WO instructions and yet still not getting users added to the HotSpot - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
I think it has to be /32, the gateway IP that WO sees. On Jan 14, 2011 12:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Frank Watts *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Frank Watts *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.comjrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Nethttp://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: mailto:motor...@afmug.com motor...@afmug.commailto:motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.comjrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Nethttp://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.commailto:motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Frank Watts *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Frank Watts *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - *From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Cc:* motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Nethttp://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.commailto:motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Using their portal, radius, product. What you're trying to use. On Jan 14, 2011 4:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Net http://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 02:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Already email support and posted on the forum. Generally get quick answers here. The Gateway configuration in Wireless Orbit wants the WAN IP of the gateway. Keeps forcing back to /32. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: motor...@afmug.commailto:motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Email support, but are you talking about the gateway ip or the customers? On Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Got tired of fighting with MT's User Manager. I am setting up my first gateway with Wireless Orbit. Under the IP addressThe IP keeps defaulting to a /32 subnet. I need it to be /24 however if I try to enter it this way I get an error. I think this may be why WO Radius is not communicating with the MikroTik router. I can run through a signup and at the end the user is not added to the MT user list. any thoughts? No
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
They got back to me. It was operator error on my part. I assumed that once the account is created the user is automatically logged in, not so. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Using their portal, radius, product. What you're trying to use. On Jan 14, 2011 4:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Nethttp://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
So you never tried to login? That simple? Going to have dumb people do that if you did it...lots of support time. On Jan 14, 2011 6:02 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: They got back to me. It was operator error on my part. I assumed that once the account is created the user is automatically logged in, not so. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Using their portal, radius, product. What you're trying to use. On Jan 14, 2011 4:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto: supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Net http://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik It only shows up in the hotspot active when they are on line. Frank - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardsonmailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.orgmailto: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 03:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Thanks Frank, the user gets added to WO but is not showing up in HotSpot Active - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Watts Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Jerry don't worry about the /32 just put the address of mt box and make sure the lan ip address is correct. Users are added to wireless orbit not to the MT users tab. If you look under account in WO you will see any users you added. You can still have local users in the MT if you want. If you look at the Hotspot Active tab in the MT users that go through WO will show up with an R next to them to show you they got authorized through the Radius server at WO. Frank Brightlan LLC - Original Message
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Yeah, I was operating under the User Manager processes. Now that I know how to deal with it, I can build the website to include directions... - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik So you never tried to login? That simple? Going to have dumb people do that if you did it...lots of support time. On Jan 14, 2011 6:02 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: They got back to me. It was operator error on my part. I assumed that once the account is created the user is automatically logged in, not so. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Using their portal, radius, product. What you're trying to use. On Jan 14, 2011 4:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Nethttp://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Best of luck to you! Hope it all works out. On Jan 14, 2011 6:10 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah, I was operating under the User Manager processes. Now that I know how to deal with it, I can build the website to include directions... - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik So you never tried to login? That simple? Going to have dumb people do that if you did it...lots of support time. On Jan 14, 2011 6:02 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: They got back to me. It was operator error on my part. I assumed that once the account is created the user is automatically logged in, not so. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Using their portal, radius, product. What you're trying to use. On Jan 14, 2011 4:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto: supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto: supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto: supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik No cookie Check and check. Perplexed Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you getting a cookie? I agree, does sound like radius. Double check the radius config in your MT, make sure hotspot is checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto: jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: this is getting tested on the bench - I'm the user. I'm connecting to the HotSpot, getting an IP, opening the broweser, redirecting to WO page, signing up, and paying via Authorize.Net http://Authorize.Net. I can go through the entire process with no errors, yet I'm not getting added to the Active list. It's got to be a Radius thing. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik
Me too, this has been a PITA. I've managed to avoid it for two years by outsourcing but alas, it's come home... - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Best of luck to you! Hope it all works out. On Jan 14, 2011 6:10 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah, I was operating under the User Manager processes. Now that I know how to deal with it, I can build the website to include directions... - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik So you never tried to login? That simple? Going to have dumb people do that if you did it...lots of support time. On Jan 14, 2011 6:02 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: They got back to me. It was operator error on my part. I assumed that once the account is created the user is automatically logged in, not so. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik Using their portal, radius, product. What you're trying to use. On Jan 14, 2011 4:34 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Quit what - using them for Radius, or quit the company? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Wireless Orbit Mikrotik There is next to no support. That is why I quiet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Wireless Orbit is a joke. System is broken - I'm getting zero Radius communication. No support, last post in the forum was April 14th last year. supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.commailto:supp...@wirelessorbit.com goes unanswered. I'm kinda pissed. I thought I was paying for support. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
I don't mind that problem on a $90 CPE, but from the higher end gear, that's a problem. MT has bigger and bigger RouterBoards available for PtPs, APs, etc. where you need that kind of data. UBNT hasn't figured that out yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/14/2011 1:01 PM, richard sterne wrote: There is a problem with the 200Mbit real throughput speed. The ethernet is One 10/100 Ethernet port. Details at http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=108 Thoughts Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
one vendor in Europe claiming it will be available from next Monday. As of yesterday, none of my vendors had it in stock. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Hi anybody using this new thing: RouterBOARD SXT 5HnD MikroTik RouterBoard SXT 5HnD is a low cost, high speed 5GHz wireless device. Dual chain 802.11n and Nv2 TDMA technology help to achieve even 200Mbit real throughput speed. Complete with a ready to mount enclosure and built-in antenna, this is the perfect CPE. Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anybody using the new CPE? (new toy from mikrotik)
I would love to see a gear with fiber ethernet not copper ethernet, it would help very much on the crowded towers (i.e. solving interferences) I would happly pay 100USD more for such a device I don't mind that problem on a $90 CPE, but from the higher end gear, that's a problem. MT has bigger and bigger RouterBoards available for PtPs, APs, etc. where you need that kind of data. UBNT hasn't figured that out yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/14/2011 1:01 PM, richard sterne wrote: There is a problem with the 200Mbit real throughput speed. The ethernet is One 10/100 Ethernet port. Details at http://routerboard.com/index.php?showProduct=108 Thoughts Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down with parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO boy We're done. Please remove me from the WISPA list and be happy. The world is cruel, this be true. But Connected Nation Et tu, Brute? Yes. You. I will not be controlled. I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS. I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn well please. Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow... Our people feel threatened by your video. So sad for them. They are threatened I bet they are. I really bet they are. Waiting for the FCC to show up.. HA! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Cell 937-903-1286 Description: cid:image001.png@01CBB357.F6FCF250 Affordable Internet For Everyone! image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
Ok... What did I miss? On 1/14/2011 10:15 PM, Robert West wrote: When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down with parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO boy.. Were done. Please remove me from the WISPA list and be happy. The world is cruel, this be true. But Connected Nation Et tu, Brute? Yes. You. I will not be controlled. I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS. I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn well please. Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow. Our people feel threatened by your video. So sad for them. They are threatened. I bet they are. I really bet they are. Waiting for the FCC to show up. HA! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Cell 937-903-1286 Affordable Internet For Everyone! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3378 - Release Date: 01/13/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look. We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
WISPA is represented by its members. Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is a comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad people cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things. Or was it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own on behalf of the enemy? As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of one person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a better scrutinizing who is allowed to join. Just my .02. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look. We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
Is Bob a member? I could be wrong - but I thought this was just on the public list ... that being said - since Anyone can post - and Anyone can join the public list - Perhaps it might be good for WISPA to have a disclaimer @ the Bottom of all emails - stating This is a public forum provided to the Internet Community at large. The comments and or opinions expressed are not endorsed by WISPA and are the sole responsibility of the person making the posting. :-) Just my 2 cents. On Jan 15, 2011, at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: WISPA is represented by its members. Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is a comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad people cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things. Or was it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own on behalf of the enemy? As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of one person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a better scrutinizing who is allowed to join. Just my .02. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look. We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Miss America
Shout out to Miss Nebraska, Theresa Scanlan. She won the talent competition today and is one of the youngest contestants ever in the show (17). The Scanlans are Vistabeam customers and we are very proud of Theresa and her entire family.12 months ago, she was carrying out groceries and now there is a great chance that she will be on the final stage of the pageant. Best wishes to you Theresa! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
Josh, you're comparing apples to oranges. AFAIK, CN is not a competitor nor a member. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: WISPA is represented by its members. Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is a comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad people cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things. Or was it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own on behalf of the enemy? As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of one person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a better scrutinizing who is allowed to join. Just my .02. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look. We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
Very good point. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Is Bob a member? I could be wrong - but I thought this was just on the public list ... that being said - since Anyone can post - and Anyone can join the public list - Perhaps it might be good for WISPA to have a disclaimer @ the Bottom of all emails - stating This is a public forum provided to the Internet Community at large. The comments and or opinions expressed are not endorsed by WISPA and are the sole responsibility of the person making the posting. :-) Just my 2 cents. On Jan 15, 2011, at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: WISPA is represented by its members. Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is a comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad people cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things. Or was it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own on behalf of the enemy? As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of one person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a better scrutinizing who is allowed to join. Just my .02. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look. We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principal | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Miss America
And now all your techs want to take service calls to her home ;) On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: Shout out to Miss Nebraska, Theresa Scanlan. She won the talent competition today and is one of the youngest contestants ever in the show (17). The Scanlans are Vistabeam customers and we are very proud of Theresa and her entire family.12 months ago, she was carrying out groceries and now there is a great chance that she will be on the final stage of the pageant. Best wishes to you Theresa! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
