Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[RickG]

We dont have lines forming but we get as many customers are I want/need.
Sure, I could get lots more if I wanted but it's just more to worry about.
As far as Telco's, my AT&T contacts says High Cap sales are virtually nill
around here. My Time Warner Rep says the same.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

>  You can always upgrade More!
>
> The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it  and make some
> Money.
>
> There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell your
> excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the selling
> price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products differently
> for a different Target Market).
>
> or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more.
>
> So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick & Travis
>
> If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our customers..
> and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling T1' s and Metro
> Ethernet's  like hot cakes.. then there is only one possible conclusion
> .
>
> We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since we
> are leaving a LOT on the Table..
>
> now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are
> hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our
> circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 'saturate' your
> territory.. time to expand and break new ground.
>
> Some Food For Thought..
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote:
>
> +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of
> the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes
>> down to price.
>>
>> I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
>> wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
>> > It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
>> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>> >
>> > That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come
>> so far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
>> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
>> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
>> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>> >
>> > -Charles
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
>> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>> >
>> > I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps
>> down
>> > and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
>> > I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or
>> download a
>> > big file via FTP or whatever.
>> > It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>> >
>> > ~V~
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Charles Wu
>> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>> >
>> > Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to
>> wireless
>> > router on phone
>> >
>> > http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>> >
>> > Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
>> all
>> >
>> > to yourself.
>> >
>> > I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset,
>> without
>> > the big antenna outside.
>> >
>> > Tom DeReggi
>> > RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
>> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Charles Wu"
>> > To:; "WISPA GeneralList"<
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>> >
>> >
>> >> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> >> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>> >>
>> >> most of the test are "half duple

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[RickG]

Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on
upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started offering
10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 3Mbps. Very few
care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that ask if we have a
slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that dial-up is good enough!

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> For now.  I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0
> indefinitely. I know we won't.
>
>
>
> - Jerry
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *RickG
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
>
>
> +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of
> the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes
> down to price.
>
> I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
> wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
>
> On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> > It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
> >
> > That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come
> so far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
> >
> > -Charles
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> >
> > I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps
> down
> > and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> > I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download
> a
> > big file via FTP or whatever.
> > It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
> >
> > ~V~
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Charles Wu
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> >
> > Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> > router on phone
> >
> > http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >
> > Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
> all
> >
> > to yourself.
> >
> > I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> > the big antenna outside.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Charles Wu"
> > To:; "WISPA GeneralList" >
> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >
> >
> >> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >>
> >> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> >> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> >> then the customer upload).
> >>
> >> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> >> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> >> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> >> totally different ;)
> >>
> >> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> >> interface when the test is running...
> >>
> >>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla&  Speedtest.net test
> are
> >>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
> >>> algorithms.
> >>>
> >>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>  Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
>  Speedtest.Net to my handset
> 
> 
> 
>  -Charles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > 
>  WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> 

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Faisal Imtiaz]

You can always upgrade More!

The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it  and make some 
Money.


There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell 
your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the 
selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products 
differently for a different Target Market).


or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more.

So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick & Travis

If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our customers.. 
and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling T1' s and 
Metro Ethernet's  like hot cakes.. then there is only one possible 
conclusion .


We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since 
we are leaving a LOT on the Table..


now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are 
hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our 
circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 'saturate' 
your territory.. time to expand and break new ground.


Some Food For Thought..

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote:
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 
90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson > wrote:


The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all
comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv


On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable
companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb
range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology
has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now
"unconsciously" comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial
broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can
deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the
middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20
Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or
download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to
wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the
whole sector all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a
handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu"mailto:c...@cticonnect.com>>
> To:mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>; "WISPA
GeneralList"mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version
of LTE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jerry Richardson]

For now.  I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 
indefinitely. I know we won't.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the 
customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson 
mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv


On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu"mailto:c...@cticonnect.com>>
> To:mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>>; "WISPA 
> GeneralList"mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
>> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
>> then the customer upload).
>>
>> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
>> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
>> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
>> totally different ;)
>>
>> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
>> interface when the test is running...
>>
>>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla&  Speedtest.net test are
>>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>>> algorithms.
>>>
>>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
 Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
 Speedtest.Net to my handset



 -Charles





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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[RickG]

+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of
the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes
> down to price.
>
> I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
> wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> > It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
> >
> > That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come
> so far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
> >
> > -Charles
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> >
> > I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps
> down
> > and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> > I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download
> a
> > big file via FTP or whatever.
> > It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
> >
> > ~V~
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Charles Wu
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> >
> > Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> > router on phone
> >
> > http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >
> > Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
> all
> >
> > to yourself.
> >
> > I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> > the big antenna outside.
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Charles Wu"
> > To:; "WISPA GeneralList" >
> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >
> >
> >> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >>
> >> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> >> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> >> then the customer upload).
> >>
> >> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> >> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> >> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> >> totally different ;)
> >>
> >> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> >> interface when the test is running...
> >>
> >>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla&  Speedtest.net test
> are
> >>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
> >>> algorithms.
> >>>
> >>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>  Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
>  Speedtest.Net to my handset
> 
> 
> 
>  -Charles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > 
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Better than being on meth ;)

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> response in 385 ms.
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Gino Villarini]

There is no fixed lte protocol..

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu  wrote:

> LTE latency is about 60-100 ms
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking
about
> LTE latency
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
wrote:
> 
>> Wimax or LTE?
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>> 
>> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
>> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
>> 20ms. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> 
 That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency?
> IIRC
>> it
 was in the 100 ms?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
>> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

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I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. 

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> LTE latency is about 60-100 ms
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
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> Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about
> LTE latency
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM
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> Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
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>> Wimax or LTE?
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>> 
>> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
>> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
>> 20ms. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> 
 That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency?
> IIRC
>> it
 was in the 100 ms?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
>> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

LTE latency is about 60-100 ms

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM
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Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about
LTE latency

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Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Wimax or LTE?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
> 20ms. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency?
IIRC
> it
>>> was in the 100 ms?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
>> 
>> --
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

The Ericsson APs that Verizon uses cost ~$50k / tower plus antennas and cable

-Charles

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:28 PM
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I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs.

The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update


>I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year.
>It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but
>will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money
>because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi" 
> wrote:
>
>> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.
>>
>> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain
>> to
>> match the effort and cost.
>>
>> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on
>> typical
>> style WISP gear.
>> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate
>> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?
>>
>> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed
>> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is
>> considered outdated to the dark ages.
>>
>> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it
>> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50%
>> degregation.
>>
>> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's
>> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.
>>
>> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can
>> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for
>> real world competitive and technical challenges.
>>
>> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and
>> always
>> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is
>> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for
>> one
>> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run
>> both
>> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the
>> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30%
>> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world
>> deployments
>> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years.
>> Why  aren't they being developed?
>>
>> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for
>> unlciensed to be competitive?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> To: ; "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> very well said.. to the point !...
>>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
>>> irrelevant. !
>>> ---
>>>
>>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to
>>> remain
>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade
>>> and
>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will
>>> also
>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to
>>> show
>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, Fl 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air
 interface
 to
 deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
 needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most
 are
 bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
 competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
 Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot
 over
 all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player
 in
 the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are
 doing
 and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes.

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Gino Villarini]

Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about
LTE latency

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Wimax or LTE?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
> 20ms. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency?
IIRC
> it
>>> was in the 100 ms?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
>> 
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Wimax or LTE?
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> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
> 20ms. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC
> it
>>> was in the 100 ms?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Blake Covarrubias]

Jeremie was talking about fixed WiMAX (802.16d). We see similar latencies on 
our fixed WiMAX systems.

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

> Wimax or LTE?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
> 20ms. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC
> it
>>> was in the 100 ms?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Gino Villarini]

Wimax or LTE?

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
20ms. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
wrote:

> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC
it
>> was in the 100 ms?
> 
> 
> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower 
cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias  wrote:

> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it
>> was in the 100 ms?
> 
> 
> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing 
> about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Blake Covarrubias]

On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it
> was in the 100 ms?


I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Gino Villarini]

That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it
was in the 100 ms?

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LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that 
would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz.

On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed
now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"
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>> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They
are already doing wimax
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
 I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band
this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an
Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at
anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>>>
>>> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

And most wimax is 3.5 or 7mhz channel unless you are talking the mobile wimax 
which has 10. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:

> LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that 
> would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz.
> 
> On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>> 
>>> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
>>> already doing wimax
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>> 
> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this 
> year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP 
> setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that 
> will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Bret Clark]

LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that 
would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz.

On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
>> already doing wimax
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
 I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
 It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
 will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make 
 money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>>>
>>> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

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Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
> already doing wimax
> 
> Sent from my Motorola Startac... 
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
>>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>> 
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>> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Gino Villarini]

More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
already doing wimax

Sent from my Motorola Startac... 


On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:

>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

I am looking for my email that had numbers but from what i remember (don't hold 
me to it) was 100 Meg. I will find the email to make sure. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Matt  wrote:

>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Jeromie Reeves]

DNSPark

Pretty inexpensive and I have never had a issue with them.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
> I know this is a bit OT, but…
>
>
>
> I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
> datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
> our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
> auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time –
> we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
> down.  I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
> or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
> Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
> metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
> centers.
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

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> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It 
> is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will 
> not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.


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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

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> I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
> datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
> our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
> auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time –
> we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
> down.  I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
> or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
> Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
> metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
> centers.

http://buyvm.net/

http://www.joesdatacenter.com/

If you only have a few domains>>> http://dns.he.net/



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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Faisal Imtiaz]

.. Hmmm...

Quick question... Have you considered taking up DNS hosting from the 
different Registrars ?


Say ... TuCows ?

you will have a full control panel access... and you can modify your 
records... plus no worries about redundancy etc. etc. ?


If for other reasons you are looking for Virtual Server or DNS Hosting, 
we can provide that to you from our Servers (located in Miami or Atlanta).


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On 4/5/2011 6:08 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:


Thanks all.  Reliability is a MUST.  Have talked to Rackspace -- so 
far they seem to have the best deal.  Very reasonable for a Windows 
based Virtual server


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On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley > wrote:


I know this is a bit OT, but...

I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we
have two datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have
some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT
want to do round-robin DNS,  and auto-failover options are either
not available or too costly at this time -- we will make manual
DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down.  I'm
looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant
facility.  Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center,
NOT in the Dallas metroplex.   We want something totally
independent of our two current data centers.

Any recommendations?  Thanks!


We use VPS.net for offsite servers. Can't say super good things about 
their reliability, but the flexibility is nice, and they seem to be 
getting their act together.






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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Jason Hensley]

Thanks all.  Reliability is a MUST.  Have talked to Rackspace - so far they
seem to have the best deal.  Very reasonable for a Windows based Virtual
server

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

 

On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley  wrote:

I know this is a bit OT, but.

 

I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time -
we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
down.  I'm looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
centers.  

 

Any recommendations?  Thanks!


We use VPS.net for offsite servers. Can't say super good things about their
reliability, but the flexibility is nice, and they seem to be getting their
act together.  




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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Jeremy Parr]

On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley  wrote:

> I know this is a bit OT, but…
>
>
>
> I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
> datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
> our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
> auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time –
> we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
> down.  I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
> or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
> Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
> metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
> centers.
>
>
>
> Any recommendations?  Thanks!
>

We use VPS.net for offsite servers. Can't say super good things about their
reliability, but the flexibility is nice, and they seem to be getting their
act together.



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

In the 2500.00 range. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:27 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  wrote:

> I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs.
> 
> The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> 
>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.
>>> 
>>> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain 
>>> to
>>> match the effort and cost.
>>> 
>>> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on 
>>> typical
>>> style WISP gear.
>>> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate
>>> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?
>>> 
>>> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed
>>> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is
>>> considered outdated to the dark ages.
>>> 
>>> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it
>>> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50%
>>> degregation.
>>> 
>>> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's
>>> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.
>>> 
>>> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can
>>> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for
>>> real world competitive and technical challenges.
>>> 
>>> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and 
>>> always
>>> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is
>>> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for 
>>> one
>>> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run 
>>> both
>>> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the
>>> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30%
>>> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world 
>>> deployments
>>> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years.
>>> Why  aren't they being developed?
>>> 
>>> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for
>>> unlciensed to be competitive?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> To: ; "WISPA General List"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>> 
>>> 
 +1
 
 very well said.. to the point !...
 Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
 irrelevant. !
 ---
 
 "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
 that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to
 remain
 continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade 
 and
 replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will 
 also
 need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to 
 show
 that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
 ---
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet&  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
 
 
 On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air 
> interface
> to
> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most
> are
> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot
> over
> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player
> in
> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are
> doing
> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. 
> Fortunately
> it
> seems 

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Blake Covarrubias]

Are you looking for redundancy in DNS resolvers, or authoritative servers?

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:

> I know this is a bit OT, but…
>  
> I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two 
> datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for our 
> publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and 
> auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time – 
> we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes 
> down.  I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, 
> or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.  
> Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas 
> metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data 
> centers. 
>  
> Any recommendations?  Thanks!
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Dylan Bouterse]

Rackspace has a pretty good deal and flexible for their cloud 'nix
stuff. Not sure about Windows.

 

Dylan

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Colo DNS

 

I know this is a bit OT, but...

 

I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy
for our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin
DNS,  and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly
at this time - we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary
datacenter goes down.  I'm looking for some place that I can offers
either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in
a highly redundant facility.  Prefer something on clustered servers in a
colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex.   We want something totally
independent of our two current data centers.  

 

Any recommendations?  Thanks!

 




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Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

[Rubens Kuhl]

> I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
> datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
> our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
> auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time –
> we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
> down.  I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
> or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
> Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
> metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
> centers.

http://aws.amazon.com/route53/, perhaps ?


Rubens



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Tom DeReggi]

I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs.

The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremie Chism" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update


>I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  
> wrote:
>
>> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.
>>
>> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain 
>> to
>> match the effort and cost.
>>
>> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on 
>> typical
>> style WISP gear.
>> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate
>> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?
>>
>> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed
>> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is
>> considered outdated to the dark ages.
>>
>> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it
>> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50%
>> degregation.
>>
>> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's
>> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.
>>
>> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can
>> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for
>> real world competitive and technical challenges.
>>
>> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and 
>> always
>> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is
>> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for 
>> one
>> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run 
>> both
>> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the
>> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30%
>> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world 
>> deployments
>> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years.
>> Why  aren't they being developed?
>>
>> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for
>> unlciensed to be competitive?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> To: ; "WISPA General List"
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> very well said.. to the point !...
>>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
>>> irrelevant. !
>>> ---
>>>
>>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to
>>> remain
>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade 
>>> and
>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will 
>>> also
>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to 
>>> show
>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, Fl 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air 
 interface
 to
 deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
 needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most
 are
 bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
 competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
 Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot
 over
 all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player
 in
 the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are
 doing
 and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. 
 Fortunately
 it
 seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or
 exceeded
 other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business
 plans
 that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to
 remain
 continually competit

[WISPA] Colo DNS

[Jason Hensley]

I know this is a bit OT, but.

 

I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two
datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for
our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and
auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time -
we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes
down.  I'm looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server,
or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility.
Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas
metroplex.   We want something totally independent of our two current data
centers.  

 

Any recommendations?  Thanks!

 




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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It 
is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will 
not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because 
the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  wrote:

> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.
> 
> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to 
> match the effort and cost.
> 
> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical 
> style WISP gear.
> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate 
> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?
> 
> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed 
> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is 
> considered outdated to the dark ages.
> 
> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it 
> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% 
> degregation.
> 
> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's 
> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.
> 
> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can 
> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for 
> real world competitive and technical challenges.
> 
> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always 
> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is 
> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for one 
> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both 
> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the 
> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% 
> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments 
> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. 
> Why  aren't they being developed?
> 
> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for 
> unlciensed to be competitive?
> 
> 
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> 
>> +1
>> 
>> very well said.. to the point !...
>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
>> irrelevant. !
>> ---
>> 
>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to 
>> remain
>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and
>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show
>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
>> ---
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>>> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface 
>>> to
>>> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
>>> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most 
>>> are
>>> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
>>> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
>>> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot 
>>> over
>>> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player 
>>> in
>>> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are 
>>> doing
>>> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately 
>>> it
>>> seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or 
>>> exceeded
>>> other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business 
>>> plans
>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to 
>>> remain
>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade 
>>> and
>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to 
>>> show
>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.
>>> 
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wi

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Tom DeReggi]

yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.

No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to 
match the effort and cost.

The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical 
style WISP gear.
But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate 
and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?

Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed 
capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is 
considered outdated to the dark ages.

In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it 
performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% 
degregation.

Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's 
performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.

The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can 
accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for 
real world competitive and technical challenges.

A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always 
be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is 
happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for one 
polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both 
chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the 
overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% 
increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments 
closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. 
Why  aren't they being developed?

Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for 
unlciensed to be competitive?



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update


> +1
>
> very well said.. to the point !...
> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
> irrelevant. !
> ---
>
> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to 
> remain
> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and
> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show
> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
> ---
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface 
>> to
>> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
>> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most 
>> are
>> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
>> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
>> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot 
>> over
>> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player 
>> in
>> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are 
>> doing
>> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately 
>> it
>> seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or 
>> exceeded
>> other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business 
>> plans
>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to 
>> remain
>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade 
>> and
>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to 
>> show
>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Wu
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM
>> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>
>> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
>> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>>
>> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come 
>> so
>> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
>> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Tom DeReggi]

Exactly why we need

1) Less spectrum to go to auctions, and more spectrum to go to unlicenced.

2) High power allowed in spectrum bands.

3) Manufacturters to raise their standard, to take advantage of latest radio 
and antenna  technologies.


Let me give you an example of what I mean..

Moto old product, 20Mhz, 14mb real (20mb)
Moto new product (ofdm), 10Mhz  20mbps (35mb) in a lab, with noise maybe 
10-15mbps (qam16).

Why didn't they make a 20Mhz OFDM product, so that we could offer faster 
speeds, with their new product?
Why didn;t they make a MIMO OFDM product, so we could use faster speeds, 
with their new products?
Why didn;t they make a multiple diversity smart antenna model?
Why haven't they made smart MIMO gear with modes above 16, such as to allow 
chain0 and chain1 to operate at different modulations?

I'm not meaning to pick on Moto, they are a good company, I'm just using 
them as an easy example everyone could identify with. I know the answer why. 
Because they want to sell more radios, and not compete with their other 
product lines, not make us more efficent and competitive, so we need to buy 
fewer radios.

My point is... the technology is out there. Whether manufacturers embrace it 
quick enough is another story.

The demand is clearly there. If anything LTE is clearly creating harder 
competition for the private WISP industry.

I dont think we'll ever get the signal into everyone's living room without 
antennas... Only licensed can operate at such a low sensitivity, because of 
low noise. (except for Whitespace users). But we surely could do better, if 
the technology was stepped up a couple notches.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update


> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download 
> a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector 
> all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Charles Wu" 
> To: ; "WISPA GeneralList" 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
>> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
>> then the customer upload).
>>
>> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
>> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
>> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
>> totally different ;)
>>
>> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
>> interface when the test is running...
>>
>>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Spe

Re: [WISPA] PING

[Josh Luthman]

response in 385 ms.

I'm on Verizon.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Josh]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr
 wrote:
> Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server 
> MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating 
> integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web management of 
> individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run on 
> Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar and address book module in 
> webmail as well.
>
> Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
>
>
[snip]

iRedMail (www.iredmail.org)
Built using standard opensource packages like Spamassassin, Amavisd,
ClamAV, Roundcube, etc. Not heavily modified so you can easily update
the system using your package manager (I use CentOS, thus yum) without
borking anything. Full disclosure, I'm only using this on a couple of
personal domains, nothing business oriented, for the past two years or
so. But I don't see why you cannot run it with little issues. There
are a bunch of case studies on their site discussing users switching
from whatever mail system to iRedmail.

My only negative opinion was the author's decision to stop supporting
Squirrelmail. I prefer Squirrelmail over Roundcube (loads faster). But
I can live.

Josh



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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Shaun Hoggan]

Blair,
I can help you with any Gmail questions you have.  Give me a call anytime.

Shaun Hoggan
s...@ikano.com
801-415-8113




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Blair Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

We really would like to find someone who could do the Google move and give us 
that .35 pricing as well

On 3/29/2011 10:56 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
Would someone please tell me who to get in touch with for this $.35 per account 
price you're getting?  I haven't been able to track anyone down about it.

Thanks.

Mark

On 3/29/2011 6:53 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
All I'm going to say about this is that Gmail made my email headaches go away.  
No more tracking down spam/antivirus issues, no more webmail issues, no more 
hardware issues with the servers (disks seemed to fail in an email server more 
often than a web server).  No more people getting their password hacked and 
thousands of emails being sent out.  No more IPs ending up in the SORBS/et. al 
databases.  I tracked email maintenance time and materials for 6 months, and it 
was well worth the $.35 per email account we spent to let Google do it.

It is so easy to tell someone to take their iPhone/Droid phone/et. al and 
select Google as their email provider and put in their login information.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net>> wrote:
You can slice it any way you like...

all I can tell you is that ... when you have evaluate honestly  how much time 
is spent by yourself or someone vs  how much you have to pay for the service...

for example.
Paying someone $75/month to keep linux boxes uptodate  and secure is a very 
inexpensive proposition.
Paying someone $0.25 per mailbox for high quality spam / virus filtering 
services is a very inexpensive proposition..

paying $0.35 per mailbox which includes some ridiculous amount of storage and 
spam / anti virus is a heck of a deal...

Unless you need somethings else that is not there...
e.g. in our case, we use internal hosted machines that we have 'outsourced' 
security & updates on to a third party... and we pay a different third party 
for excellent Spam/Virus filtering...

our problem was very simple... we provide hosting packages along with email 
even though what Google and Tucows offer is a great deal.. but  we needed 
options which they don't offer.

Maybe next go around we may separate mail from hosting control panel...

Your Mileage May Vary.


Regards



Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet & Telecom



On 3/28/2011 8:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Exactly, out-sourcing just means you just pay for it indirectly, plus their 
profit.


-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions

http://www.ics-il.com



On 3/28/2011 5:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether you 
outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well worth 
$0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others.

Cameron
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt 
mailto:lm7...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform?  We
> also offer hosting services that need email.
To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP
and POP3 server settings.  Yuk.  Also, depending how many email
accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the
thousands.

> I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server. Personally,
> I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or other
> hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and
> blocking spam effectively are much more costly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford 
> mailto:mogoo...@gmx.com>> wrote:
>
> http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp
>
> There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
> that you requested.
>
> Frank
>
> On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
>> Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server
>> MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating
>> integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web management of
>> individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run on
>> Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar and address book module in
>> webmail as well.
>>
>> Anyone have suggestions?


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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Cameron Crum]

It's actually NOT a lot of power on the AP side. It is the technology and
the air interface. Most CDMA technologies have very low threshold to make a
good link. I remember designing these networks and seeing great performance
with signals as low as -107dBm. In fact the whole goal with CDMA based
technologies is to keep everyone transmitting at the lowest power possible.
The more power a single user has to put out, the more power everyone has to
put to out just to "be heard". With CDMA, everything is based on the noise
floor and the higher that floor becomes, the worse the system performs. That
is why you don't want a user 5 miles away maintaining a link to a tower (in
a typical urban or suburban morphology). His phone ramps up to maintain the
link making the noise floor higher, the sector ramps up, then everyone else
close in starts "shouting" just to get their code heard above the noise.
Pretty soon, the whole sector becomes unstable and everyone drops. CDMA
technologies also have the luxury of the rake receiver which essentially
correlates received signals from several sectors at once to maintain
communication with a device. All of this makes for a far superior technology
than we have access to, and you have to have clean spectrum for this all to
work so well...something we don't have.

Cameron

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, St. Louis Broadband
wrote:

> Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying
> that big bag phone around.
>
> That has to be a lot of power on the ap side.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
> all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu" 
> To: ; "WISPA GeneralList"  >
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
> > It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >
> > most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> > direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> > then the customer upload).
> >
> > Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> > have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> > the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> > totally different ;)
> >
> > Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> > interface when the test is running...
> >
> >> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are
> >> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
> >> algorithms.
> >>
> >> On 04/

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jim Patient]

Hi Tori,

 

The Charter service sounds horrible down there.  Send me your GPS cords
and I'll check to see if we can get you a wireless link from our Bonne
Terre tower;-)

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps
down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or
download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to
wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset,
without
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: ; "WISPA GeneralList"

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> then the customer upload).
>
> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you
use
> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> totally different ;)
>
> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> interface when the test is running...
>
>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test
are
>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>> algorithms.
>>
>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up
at
>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jim Patient]

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps
down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or
download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to
wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset,
without
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: ; "WISPA GeneralList"

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> then the customer upload).
>
> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you
use
> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> totally different ;)
>
> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> interface when the test is running...
>
>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test
are
>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>> algorithms.
>>
>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up
at
>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[can...@believewireless.net]

I just activated my Samsung LTE MiFi router and am getting 6-10 Mbps
down and 5 Mbps up
at the office.



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Faisal Imtiaz]

+1

very well said.. to the point !...
Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and 
irrelevant. !
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that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain
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replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
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On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to
> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are
> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over
> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in
> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing
> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it
> seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded
> other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain
> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and
> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show
> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu"
> To:; "WISPA GeneralList"
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few w

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Travis Johnson]

The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes 
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that 
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv


On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu"
> To:; "WISPA GeneralList"
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
>> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
>> then the customer upload).
>>
>> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
>> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
>> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
>> totally different ;)
>>
>> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
>> interface when the test is running...
>>
>>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla&  Speedtest.net test are
>>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>>> algorithms.
>>>
>>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
 Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
 Speedtest.Net to my handset



 -Charles





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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Brian Webster]

I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to
deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are
bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over
all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in
the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing
and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it
seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded
other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain
continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and
replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show
that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range

That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: ; "WISPA GeneralList" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> then the customer upload).
>
> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> totally different ;)
>
> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> interface when the test is running...
>
>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are
>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>> algorithms.
>>
>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Bret Clark]

On 04/05/2011 07:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
Don't disagree, but the real question is that once the network is load 
will that still be the case...probably not. Much like the first neighbor 
on the new cable feed proclaiming the next coming of the Internet only 6 
months later lamenting about how his dial up was faster now that every 
neighborhood kid is on it with their Xboxes and PS3!

As far as WISP being able to deliver these speeds, that is a function of 
spectrum (blame the FCC)...not the technology to do it.

And again I want to see actual throughput test (FTP or IPERF) not some 
half-baked algorithm used by those speed test sites that are not all 
that reliable.



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[St. Louis Broadband]

Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying
that big bag phone around.

That has to be a lot of power on the ap side.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range

That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without 
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: ; "WISPA GeneralList" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> then the customer upload).
>
> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> totally different ;)
>
> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> interface when the test is running...
>
>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are
>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>> algorithms.
>>
>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Charles Wu]

It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range

That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far 
for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, 
how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in 
the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without 
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Wu" 
To: ; "WISPA GeneralList" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> then the customer upload).
>
> Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> totally different ;)
>
> Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> interface when the test is running...
>
>> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are
>> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
>> algorithms.
>>
>> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
>>> Speedtest.Net to my handset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Charles
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