Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

2011-10-05 Thread Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing
COOL It'll be good to meet you guys in person!!!

HEY... wait... what's the hotel situation? are there any other big
conferences on those days???

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.netwrote:

 Hi All,

 We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees.  If you want to go,
 sign up now!

 If you miss it, you won't be able to say that you were there!  :-)

 Regards,

 Jeff


 Jeff Broadwick
 Sales Manager, ImageStream
 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
 +1 574-935-8484 x106  (Int'l)
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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

2011-10-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Same girls as the last ISPCon?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Well, if it helps ServerPlus will be at the booth next to yours and we will
be giving out free massages (not by me).  

 

Layne Sisk

www.ServerPlus.com

801.426.8283, ext 102

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jim Patient
Sent: Tue 10/4/2011 10:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

Well, since the cat is out of the bag, we have the Cubin roller coming to
our MUM booth as well.  They will be there Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.

 

If we could get the booth next to us to give away free beer, we could make
it a party;-)

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 
 
http://mail.serverplus.com/exchange/layne/Drafts/RE:%20%5bWISPA%5d%20%5bBul
k%5d%20Re:%20%20Wispalooza!.EML/1_multipart/image001.png 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Actually, Link Technologies is hiring a professional cigar roller to work in
their booth one day.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Hope they bring some!

On 10/3/11 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: 

They generally have very good cigars too!

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It
is no way intended to be derogatory. 

People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow
away most of us US attendees

Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!

 :-)

-B-




On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: 

Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL



On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: 

There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia,
England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess
the combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider
Town Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training
and FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the
week.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!  

 

---
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
http://www.linktechs.net/ 
LIVE On-Line http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/  Mikrotik Training -
Author http://routerosbook.com/  of Learn RouterOS

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote:

I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just
deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)  

 

John M. McDowell 
256.996.0252
j...@boonlink.com 

 

On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

 

What happens in vegasgoes on facebook


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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net
Organization: ImageStream
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:55:18 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

Hi All,

 

We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees.  If you want to


Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

2011-10-05 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
where may I find the photos of that event?


 Same girls as the last ISPCon?



 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106

_

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Layne Sisk
 Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:08 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Well, if it helps ServerPlus will be at the booth next to yours and we will
 be giving out free massages (not by me).



 Layne Sisk

 www.ServerPlus.com

 801.426.8283, ext 102



_

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jim Patient
 Sent: Tue 10/4/2011 10:12 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 Well, since the cat is out of the bag, we have the Cubin roller coming to
 our MUM booth as well.  They will be there Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.



 If we could get the booth next to us to give away free beer, we could make
 it a party;-)





 Jim Patient

 Link Technologies, Inc.

 314-735-0270

 www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net/

 http://mail.serverplus.com/exchange/layne/Drafts/RE:%20%5bWISPA%5d%20%5bBul
 k%5d%20Re:%20%20Wispalooza!.EML/1_multipart/image001.png







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:31 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Actually, Link Technologies is hiring a professional cigar roller to work in
 their booth one day.



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:44 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Hope they bring some!

 On 10/3/11 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

 They generally have very good cigars too!



 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106

_

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It
 is no way intended to be derogatory.

 People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow
 away most of us US attendees

 Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!

   :-)

 -B-




 On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:

 Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL



 On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia,
 England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess
 the combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider
 Town Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training
 and FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the
 week.



 Rick



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!



 ---
 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 LIVE On-Linehttp://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/   Mikrotik Training -
 Authorhttp://routerosbook.com/   of Learn RouterOS



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!



 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowellj...@boonlink.com  wrote:

 I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just
 deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)



 John M. McDowell
 256.996.0252
 j...@boonlink.com



 On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:



 What happens in vegasgoes on facebook


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 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Broadwick - Listsjeffl...@att.net
 Organization: ImageStream
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:55:18 -0400
 To: 'WISPA General 

Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

2011-10-05 Thread Layne Sisk
But of course...
 
Layne Sisk
www.ServerPlus.com
801.426.8283, ext 102
 
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wed 10/5/2011 6:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



Same girls as the last ISPCon?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Well, if it helps ServerPlus will be at the booth next to yours and we will be 
giving out free massages (not by me).  

 

Layne Sisk

www.ServerPlus.com http://www.serverplus.com/ 

801.426.8283, ext 102

 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jim Patient
Sent: Tue 10/4/2011 10:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

Well, since the cat is out of the bag, we have the Cubin roller coming to our 
MUM booth as well.  They will be there Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.

 

If we could get the booth next to us to give away free beer, we could make it a 
party;-)

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 


 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Actually, Link Technologies is hiring a professional cigar roller to work in 
their booth one day.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Hope they bring some!

On 10/3/11 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: 

They generally have very good cigars too!

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It is 
no way intended to be derogatory. 

People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow away 
most of us US attendees

Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!

 :-)

-B-




On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: 

Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL



On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: 

There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia, 
England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess the 
combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider Town 
Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training and 
FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the week.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!  

 

---
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
http://www.linktechs.net/ 
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/  - 
Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote:

I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just 
deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)  

 

John M. McDowell 
256.996.0252
j...@boonlink.com 

 

On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

 

What happens in vegasgoes on facebook


--
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Aol  Yahoo IM: j2sw
http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News
http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter




-Original Message-
From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 

[WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

2011-10-05 Thread Kevin Owen
Rick,

Will there be exhibit only floor passes available for purchase at the event or 
do they need to be purchased ahead of time?

Also, just as a note, last Saturday, the Margaritaville Casino opened at the 
Flamingo.  It is a fairly small extension off the main floor, but if you like a 
bit of gambling and like to show your inner Parrothead, then this is your place!

Kevin




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Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

2011-10-05 Thread Rick Harnish
Yes, Exhibit Hall only passes will be available at the registration counter
for $50.  I would prefer to get them done before time so we can have the
name badges printed up and the financial details taken care of to streamline
the signup period at the counter.  The registration counter will be open on
Sunday afternoon and evening, so I encourage people to avoid the early
Monday morning rush and get it taken care of then.   It should be a matter
of getting your lanyard, nametag and showbag unless you are purchasing a
registration at the counter.  

 

Yes, Margaritaville is right down the hall from the Exhibit Hall.  New
hallway has been opened up.  Maybe only 50-100' away.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

 

Rick,

 

Will there be exhibit only floor passes available for purchase at the event
or do they need to be purchased ahead of time? 

 

Also, just as a note, last Saturday, the Margaritaville Casino opened at the
Flamingo.  It is a fairly small extension off the main floor, but if you
like a bit of gambling and like to show your inner Parrothead, then this is
your place!

 

Kevin

 




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Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

2011-10-05 Thread Kevin Owen
Very good thanks.

Spent a bit of time and lost a bit of money in Margaritaville on its opening. 
Still a fun place though

Looking forward to the show.  See you all there.

Kevin


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:37 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

Yes, Exhibit Hall only passes will be available at the registration counter for 
$50.  I would prefer to get them done before time so we can have the name 
badges printed up and the financial details taken care of to streamline the 
signup period at the counter.  The registration counter will be open on Sunday 
afternoon and evening, so I encourage people to avoid the early Monday morning 
rush and get it taken care of then.   It should be a matter of getting your 
lanyard, nametag and showbag unless you are purchasing a registration at the 
counter.

Yes, Margaritaville is right down the hall from the Exhibit Hall.  New hallway 
has been opened up.  Maybe only 50-100' away.

Rick

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

Rick,

Will there be exhibit only floor passes available for purchase at the event or 
do they need to be purchased ahead of time?

Also, just as a note, last Saturday, the Margaritaville Casino opened at the 
Flamingo.  It is a fairly small extension off the main floor, but if you like a 
bit of gambling and like to show your inner Parrothead, then this is your place!

Kevin




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Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

2011-10-05 Thread Blake Bowers
Just as a note - people should consider package tours, like Sun Country 
Airlines.

2 people, airfare from NYC, 3 nights room at Circus Circus, 1050.00 total.

same thing from Orlando, 6 nights, around 1300 total.

Funjet gets you cheaper.

True, there is no first class on most of them, and you will most likely end 
up with a room
view of a wall, but who spends that much time in their room?

Some of the best trade show times I ever had were spent dancing on the stage 
I mean in the audience learning in LV!


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!


 Oh God no .. please don't drop the coffee..



 I applaud the work that goes into doing this, especially in Vegas. It's
 tough to work with, but Vegas knows that it is the best spot in the 
 country
 for meetings like this. I remember all the hoopla a couple of years ago at
 CES. $12 turkey sandwiches that normally went for $6, $400 / night hotel
 rooms, etc. I can't imagine what it's like cost wise to produce the event.



 Overall though, it looks like it is going to be fantastic. I can't wait to
 see everyone there J



 -drew



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!



 Drop the coffee.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

 Maybe if we put slot machines next to the coffee service we can get a
 discount ;)

 On 10/5/11 11:35 AM, chris cooper wrote:

 A 12 oz cup of coffee costs $10.22? And this from a place that will give 
 you
 all the Johnnie Walker you can drink for free?



 cc



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Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

2011-10-05 Thread Ben Royer
Hey Rick,

We won’t be getting in until 9:00pm Sunday evening, what time will the evening 
registration close on Sunday?  We are excited to attend!

Thank You,
Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
Royell Communications, Inc.

From: Rick Harnish 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

Yes, Exhibit Hall only passes will be available at the registration counter for 
$50.  I would prefer to get them done before time so we can have the name 
badges printed up and the financial details taken care of to streamline the 
signup period at the counter.  The registration counter will be open on Sunday 
afternoon and evening, so I encourage people to avoid the early Monday morning 
rush and get it taken care of then.   It should be a matter of getting your 
lanyard, nametag and showbag unless you are purchasing a registration at the 
counter.  

 

Yes, Margaritaville is right down the hall from the Exhibit Hall.  New hallway 
has been opened up.  Maybe only 50-100’ away.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

 

Rick,

 

Will there be exhibit only floor passes available for purchase at the event or 
do they need to be purchased ahead of time? 

 

Also, just as a note, last Saturday, the Margaritaville Casino opened at the 
Flamingo.  It is a fairly small extension off the main floor, but if you like a 
bit of gambling and like to show your inner Parrothead, then this is your place!

 

Kevin

 







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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

2011-10-05 Thread Simon Westlake
Stop by the booth, I'll hook you up with a Powercode shirt ;)

On 10/5/2011 2:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 That will exhaust all one of my business casual outfits.  What day is
 the awards?

 It isn't listed here: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4766

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
 mailto:rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

 No bibs in the Annual Awards Banquet, nor Tshirts or jeans.
 “Business Casual” is highly recommended!

 __ __

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim Patient
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:31 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 __ __

 Is there a dress code?  Will they throw me out if I wear my bibs
 while I drink the $10 cup of coffee? 

 __ __

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:38 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 __ __

 Yeah, if your gambling!

 __ __

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *chris cooper
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:35 PM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 __ __

 A 12 oz cup of coffee costs $10.22? And this from a place that will
 give you all the Johnnie Walker you can drink for free?

 __ __

 cc

 __ __

 -Original Message-
 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:27 PM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 __ __

 I appreciate everyone’s input and we need more input for future
 events. 

 __ __

 WISPA may not make a dime on this show as it is a Union town and our
 expenses are very high.  However, the impact this show is having on
 the industry will be priceless. 

 __ __

 We will learn from this show as we do on all shows and try to
 improve for future events.  This show will be spectacular but
 honestly, I am struggling with budgets right now.  Our food/drink
 expenses are higher than what people have paid to attend.  I hope I
 don’t need to cut some things out, but I may have to make some minor
 adjustments.  A gallon of coffee is $75 plus service fees of 25% and
 tax of 12%.  This is compounded on every other consumable that we
 will be serving. 

 __ __

 I’m not going to say we won’t do it in Vegas every year, but from my
 perspective, the charges to attend, exhibit and sponsor may have to
 increase if we do.

 __ __

 Respectfully,**

 *__ __*

 *Rick Harnish*

 Executive Director

 WISPA

 260-307-4000 tel:260-307-4000 cell

 866-317-2851 tel:866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

 Skype: rick.harnish.

 rharn...@wispa.org mailto:rharn...@wispa.org

 __ __

 __ __

 

 __ __

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:55 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 __ __

 I agree. Flights are cheap, rooms are cheap, food is cheap. There
 are lots of choices for the actual show, and plenty to do after
 hours for everyone. I have been asking for a WISPA show in Vegas for
 5+ years now... glad it's finally going to happen. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 On 10/5/2011 9:39 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

 I seem to remember some discussion a while back about the location
 of the shows and the advantages/disadvantages. Being in the wireless
 industry in one form or another for the last 18 years, I've seen a
 lot of shows and conferences. I threw my hat in for Vegas, but it
 was ultimately shot down. There was a lot of debate about whether or
 not Vegas was a good location and if people would come. Certainly,
 cost is higher, but in my opinion, so is the return. Just judging by
 the attendance, the ads that are going out, the extras being
 offered, etc., I can tell that this will be 

Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

2011-10-05 Thread Rick Harnish
I’ll be working out those details with the staff on Friday/Saturday.  Since 
this is exhibitor setup time and there will be exhibitors wanting to register 
until 10 pm.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ben Royer
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

 

Hey Rick,

 

We won’t be getting in until 9:00pm Sunday evening, what time will the evening 
registration close on Sunday?  We are excited to attend!

 

Thank You,

Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor

Royell Communications, Inc.

 

From: Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@wispa.org  

Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:37 PM

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

 

Yes, Exhibit Hall only passes will be available at the registration counter for 
$50.  I would prefer to get them done before time so we can have the name 
badges printed up and the financial details taken care of to streamline the 
signup period at the counter.  The registration counter will be open on Sunday 
afternoon and evening, so I encourage people to avoid the early Monday morning 
rush and get it taken care of then.   It should be a matter of getting your 
lanyard, nametag and showbag unless you are purchasing a registration at the 
counter.  

 

Yes, Margaritaville is right down the hall from the Exhibit Hall.  New hallway 
has been opened up.  Maybe only 50-100’ away.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza - Floor Passes

 

Rick,

 

Will there be exhibit only floor passes available for purchase at the event or 
do they need to be purchased ahead of time? 

 

Also, just as a note, last Saturday, the Margaritaville Casino opened at the 
Flamingo.  It is a fairly small extension off the main floor, but if you like a 
bit of gambling and like to show your inner Parrothead, then this is your place!

 

Kevin

 

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[WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-05 Thread Rafman®
*Open Range Closes:*
*
*
http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/
*

Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?
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 Hi All,

 We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees.  If you want to go,
 sign up now!

 If you miss it, you won't be able to say that you were there!  :-)

 Regards,

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[WISPA] New site refresh issue

2011-10-05 Thread Jim Patient
We've had a few calls and emails about the page refreshing when you
generate your map on mywificoverage.com.  Just click the home button or
the logo at the top and the page will refresh.  Once you go to home it
should refresh every 30 seconds.

 

Dennis is working on a how to video for youtube and it should be done in
a day or so.  We will post when it's online.

 

If you have particular antenna patterns you would like added shoot them
over and we will try to get them in the drop down list.

 

Please keep the feedback coming.  If you see a problem or would like
additional features let us know.

 

Thx,

 

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Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

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Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-05 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote:

Open Range Closes:

http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/

Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?


Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story.

The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not 
WISPs.  In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then a 
bigger RUS loan.  The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies.


Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation 
launched in the late 1990s.  I think Qualcomm was originally behind 
it; the idea was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA 
satphones.  They were competing with the uber-baroque Iridium 
network, which of course bombed miserably (I had a bit of an inside 
seat watching that failure; it was kind of funny). GlobalStar's 
original satellites kind of went haywire in 2007 and some of the 
replacements have been flaky too, which is not doing them a lot of good.


Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) rights 
as a way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this was 
expanded to permit terrestrial-only users.  That's what LightSquared 
is trying to do.  Open Range made a deal to use GlobalStar's ATC, but 
something went wrong and the FCC revoked it in 2010.  So Open Range 
has some license problems.  All that money and no place to go.  They 
were also trying to make a deal with LightSquared, but I think that 
was for MVNO use of the network, not frequency leases.


I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP is 
that Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game:  Take a lot of 
money, spend big and fast, and hope for a return.  A WISPA member 
can't afford to waste money that way.  I wonder if Open Range has 
much cash left.  I don't see how they could have spent it without 
access to enough spectrum.


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Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Sharples

Caution - this may make your ears bleed - strong language :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM


On 10/5/2011 2:21 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote:

*Open Range Closes:

* http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/
*
*Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?


Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story.

The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not 
WISPs.  In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then a 
bigger RUS loan.  The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies.


Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation 
launched in the late 1990s.  I think Qualcomm was originally behind 
it; the idea was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA 
satphones.  They were competing with the uber-baroque Iridium network, 
which of course bombed miserably (I had a bit of an inside seat 
watching that failure; it was kind of funny). GlobalStar's original 
satellites kind of went haywire in 2007 and some of the replacements 
have been flaky too, which is not doing them a lot of good.


Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) rights 
as a way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this was 
expanded to permit terrestrial-only users.  That's what LightSquared 
is trying to do.  Open Range made a deal to use GlobalStar's ATC, but 
something went wrong and the FCC revoked it in 2010.  So Open Range 
has some license problems.  All that money and no place to go.  They 
were also trying to make a deal with LightSquared, but I think that 
was for MVNO use of the network, not frequency leases.


I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP is 
that Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game:  Take a lot of 
money, spend big and fast, and hope for a return.  A WISPA member 
can't afford to waste money that way.  I wonder if Open Range has much 
cash left.  I don't see how they could have spent it without access to 
enough spectrum.


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Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-05 Thread Fred Goldstein

At 10/5/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

Caution - this may make your ears bleed - strong language :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM 



Yeah, but under the rapper profanity, he displays a profound 
ignorance of macroeconomics and monetary policy.  There's a reason 
that economics is called the dismal science.  It is  not 
intuitively obvious, and is thus prone to demagoguery.


Open Range, on the other hand, appears to be a simple case of JP 
Morgan's influence peddling to get a big loan for a risky venture 
from the Bush administration.  I wonder if they will end up losing 
their bet, or if there is some trick in there to get JP Morgan Chase 
paid back.  Note how Iridium was Motorola's idea, and lost several 
billion, but Motorola came out ahead (and Chase, being the marks that 
time, lost).




On 10/5/2011 2:21 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote:

Open Range Closes:

http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/

Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?


Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story.

The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not 
WISPs.  In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then 
a bigger RUS loan.  The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies.


Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation 
launched in the late 1990s.  I think Qualcomm was originally behind 
it; the idea was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA 
satphones.  They were competing with the uber-baroque Iridium 
network, which of course bombed miserably (I had a bit of an inside 
seat watching that failure; it was kind of funny). GlobalStar's 
original satellites kind of went haywire in 2007 and some of the 
replacements have been flaky too, which is not doing them a lot of good.


Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) 
rights as a way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this 
was expanded to permit terrestrial-only users.  That's what 
LightSquared is trying to do.  Open Range made a deal to use 
GlobalStar's ATC, but something went wrong and the FCC revoked it 
in 2010.  So Open Range has some license problems.  All that money 
and no place to go.  They were also trying to make a deal with 
LightSquared, but I think that was for MVNO use of the network, not 
frequency leases.


I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP 
is that Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game:  Take a lot 
of money, spend big and fast, and hope for a return.  A WISPA 
member can't afford to waste money that way.  I wonder if Open 
Range has much cash left.  I don't see how they could have spent it 
without access to enough spectrum.


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Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Sharples
I'm not familiar with the details on the Open Range deal, however it 
would be unsurprising if the government (taxpayer) ends up being the 
sucker.  That's the order of the day (and the last 10 years). The 
Solyndra deal for example not only rings of crony capitalism but a lack 
of the most basic technical due diligence. Even the named inventor on 
their patents stated that the design was unbuildable at reasonable cost. 
Would you buy a solar power system that came with an oil leak disposal 
kit as a standard accessory?


Tom S.



On 10/5/2011 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

At 10/5/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

Caution - this may make your ears bleed - strong language :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM


Yeah, but under the rapper profanity, he displays a profound ignorance 
of macroeconomics and monetary policy.  There's a reason that 
economics is called the dismal science.  It is  not intuitively 
obvious, and is thus prone to demagoguery.


Open Range, on the other hand, appears to be a simple case of JP 
Morgan's influence peddling to get a big loan for a risky venture from 
the Bush administration.  I wonder if they will end up losing their 
bet, or if there is some trick in there to get JP Morgan Chase paid 
back.  Note how Iridium was Motorola's idea, and lost several billion, 
but Motorola came out ahead (and Chase, being the marks that time, lost).




On 10/5/2011 2:21 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote:

*Open Range Closes:

* http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/
*
*Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?


Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story.

The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not 
WISPs.  In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then 
a bigger RUS loan.  The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies.


Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation 
launched in the late 1990s.  I think Qualcomm was originally behind 
it; the idea was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA 
satphones.  They were competing with the uber-baroque Iridium 
network, which of course bombed miserably (I had a bit of an inside 
seat watching that failure; it was kind of funny). GlobalStar's 
original satellites kind of went haywire in 2007 and some of the 
replacements have been flaky too, which is not doing them a lot of good.


Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) rights 
as a way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this was 
expanded to permit terrestrial-only users.  That's what LightSquared 
is trying to do.  Open Range made a deal to use GlobalStar's ATC, 
but something went wrong and the FCC revoked it in 2010.  So Open 
Range has some license problems.  All that money and no place to 
go.  They were also trying to make a deal with LightSquared, but I 
think that was for MVNO use of the network, not frequency leases.


I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP is 
that Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game:  Take a lot of 
money, spend big and fast, and hope for a return.  A WISPA member 
can't afford to waste money that way.  I wonder if Open Range has 
much cash left.  I don't see how they could have spent it without 
access to enough spectrum.


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Re: [WISPA] Open Range Closes: Broadband's Solyndra @$240M???

2011-10-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
It could have been a total scam from the start, but if it was on the up and up 
then they were probably betting that with enough money and time they would 
perfect the technology or manufacturing or what ever it would take to work the 
kinks out and become profitable.

The allure of solar is the impressive amount of energy that falls on a square 
meter. If solar-electric panel manufacturers could get the efficiency well over 
50% it would be a game changer.

What a shame all that money went down the toilet. If there were no viable solar 
companies that could have made real innovations with that money then it should 
have gone elsewhere.

Greg
On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:

 I'm not familiar with the details on the Open Range deal, however it would be 
 unsurprising if the government (taxpayer) ends up being the sucker.  That's 
 the order of the day (and the last 10 years). The Solyndra deal for example 
 not only rings of crony capitalism but a lack of the most basic technical due 
 diligence. Even the named inventor on their patents stated that the design 
 was unbuildable at reasonable cost. Would you buy a solar power system that 
 came with an oil leak disposal kit as a standard accessory?
 
 Tom S.
 
 
 
 On 10/5/2011 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 
 At 10/5/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:
 Caution - this may make your ears bleed - strong language :-) 
   
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM 
 
 Yeah, but under the rapper profanity, he displays a profound ignorance of 
 macroeconomics and monetary policy.  There's a reason that economics is 
 called the dismal science.  It is  not intuitively obvious, and is thus 
 prone to demagoguery.
 
 Open Range, on the other hand, appears to be a simple case of JP Morgan's 
 influence peddling to get a big loan for a risky venture from the Bush 
 administration.  I wonder if they will end up losing their bet, or if there 
 is some trick in there to get JP Morgan Chase paid back.  Note how Iridium 
 was Motorola's idea, and lost several billion, but Motorola came out ahead 
 (and Chase, being the marks that time, lost).
 
 
 On 10/5/2011 2:21 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: 
 At 10/5/2011 04:20 PM, Rafman® wrote:
 Open Range Closes:
 
 http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/10/05/open-range-closes/
 
 Broadband's Solyndra with $240M Federal Funds..?
 
 Interesting, but not surprising given the whole story.
 
 The RUS (part of the USDA) usually just funds incumbent LECs, not WISPs.  
 In 2008, Open Range got $100M from JP Morgan Chase and then a bigger RUS 
 loan.  The plan was to use Globalstar's ATC frequencies.  
 
 Globalstar was a low Earth orbit satellite (LEOsat) constallation launched 
 in the late 1990s.  I think Qualcomm was originally behind it; the idea 
 was to be a simple bent-pipe repeater for CDMA satphones.  They were 
 competing with the uber-baroque Iridium network, which of course bombed 
 miserably (I had a bit of an inside seat watching that failure; it was 
 kind of funny). GlobalStar's original satellites kind of went haywire in 
 2007 and some of the replacements have been flaky too, which is not doing 
 them a lot of good.
 
 Satellites were granted ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) rights as a 
 way to fill in gaps in satellite coverage; later this was expanded to 
 permit terrestrial-only users.  That's what LightSquared is trying to do.  
 Open Range made a deal to use GlobalStar's ATC, but something went wrong 
 and the FCC revoked it in 2010.  So Open Range has some license problems.  
 All that money and no place to go.  They were also trying to make a deal 
 with LightSquared, but I think that was for MVNO use of the network, not 
 frequency leases.  
 
 I think the key difference between Open Range and your basic WISP is that 
 Open Range wanted to play Wall Street's game:  Take a lot of money, spend 
 big and fast, and hope for a return.  A WISPA member can't afford to waste 
 money that way.  I wonder if Open Range has much cash left.  I don't see 
 how they could have spent it without access to enough spectrum.
 
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