Re: [WISPA] UBNT
All the UBNT radios can perform at about the same speed. (assumming they all have the proper link budget for antenna size, and ofcourse understanding 1x1 models are half of 2x2 models). The bigger differenciaters are mechanical, meaning mounting, shileding, cabling, etc. 1) Can the radio mount on strong 2-3/8 mast, or just limited to less than 2 which usually ends up being 1-1/4 mast. 2) Does mounting have a single point of failure? Example comparing smaller Nanobridges (21db) that have only one Ubolt, versus larger Nanobrodges (25db)that have Dual Ubolt. 3) Is cat5 cabling easy and quick to remove or visible, either for verifying health of connection, on roof maintenance, or removal/swap? 4) Is CAT5 securable? For example, the Bullets itself cant really be mounted vertically, without risking crushing case, other than maybe with duct tape :-) If mounting to an Omni, the omni is what gets mounted, and the mount type must be offset enough for bullet clears the mast. Most often Bullets are just mounted direct to the back of panel direct to N connector. The side effect of that is the cat5 connection is extending back out into the open air. Where do you secure the CAT5? A mast may not exist behind the bullet. So the CAT5 just flapps around in the wind, which can weaken CAT5 connections over time. Obviously the CAT5 will get looped around and fastened to the mast eventually, but there is more cable length left unsecured close to teh bellet's connection. Compare that to a rocket, Nanobridge, or Nanostation, where the CAt5 cable shoots stright down directly to the direction of the Mast. This allows cable to be secured with the least amount of strain on the cable from high winds. With bullet if Condensation allows moisure in, where does it drip, based onthe orientation of the Bullet? Compare that to a rocket. We use bullets alot, and I'm not saying they are not adequate, I'm just saying, for critiical links, these little differences make big differences in uptime reliabilty over time. One maintenance trip to an easilly accessible radio is probably more than the cost to upgrade to the higher grade solution. If you wave setup equipment fees, but bill by the hour for house visits thereafter, use the Bullet :-) We used to use Bullet alot because it was single pol. But now that the command exists to disable a pol on the new rockets, we are starting to use Rockets instead. Everything has a trade off. We use the Nanobridge25 dishs most commonly. We hate the CAT5 access for those radios and that it doesn;t fit 2-3/8 mast, but its a trade off we live with to get low price, tight beamwidth w/ good front to back isolation, enough gain for most anything (we can always turn tx power ain down for short links) shooting for high modulation everywhere, small cosmetic look, and double Ubolt for more secured mounting. The comparison I like to make is the Nanobridge25 to the Rocket in an ARQ inclosure. Its the difference between $80 and $225. When it really matters, I'll usually use the ARQ solution, its a bit better. But for most subscriber situations, the Nanobridge is plenty good enough. Almost always, because the Nanobridge only support 2 mast, I have to additionally buy a pole to pole mount, to mount a 1-1/2 pole to the pre-existing 2-3/8 mast to be able to mount the Nano, which is a pain in the neck and more uglier. But even then, the pole to pole mount only costs me $30, and I'm still half the cost of the ARQ solution. When it really matters, and I have a bit more distance and flexibilty cosmetically wise, I'll just use the UBNT 29 dish and Rocket, which is only a $260 solution. The power bridge is really pretty. And its worth paying the higher $300 price tag, if you want it to look pretty, and can survive with only a 2 mount bracket, or dont mind buying an additional pole to pole mount to make it less pretty.. It also allows you to just take it out of the box and install, without the quick fabrication necessary with the ARC/Rocket solution. Allthough I still prefer the ARQ/Rocket solution over powerbridge. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe aajayi...@as-technologies.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT What's the difference in performance between a powerbridge and and airbridge on a 2mile 20MB link. Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe AS Technologies Ltd Tel. 234(0)8023258027 -- This e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain legally privileged, proprietary and/or confidential information. Any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments for any purposes that have not been specifically authorized by the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 issue
Ive found the problem usually to be a failing TLink, and the necessary solution to usually be replace the TLink with a new Tlink I'm never quick to replace a Tlink with another brand, if the Tlink has enough capacity for the purpose of the link. With TLinks, I have solid indicators when a radio is operating properly or not. Thats important. With other brands, (like UBNT), its sometimes harder to know for sure whether a link is working optimally, from the perspective of the end user's throughput. Not to mention, TLinks great for legal 5.4 and 5.3. A couple things to check I've seen two other things cause the same symptom... 1) The power supply going bad. Fixed by replacing power supply. 2) Out of alignment antenna. If the antenna gets severally out of alignment, for example if the radio is dangling towards the roof because the mast got knocked over or pulled out of the wall brick in high winds, and the link needs to struggle to stay associated, there can be a huge amount of ARQ retransmissions, and it can over tax the software, and evenually the software crashes. I dont know why, I'm not their programmer. Maybe its some sort of exceed buffer type of thing. In some cases it will get bad enough where the RF communicates, but one side of the link will not pass traffic through it, meanting between the wired Ethernet and RF. The quick fix is to reboot either side. Because the RF is up, its also possible to remotely reboot the CPE or AP side. And even oif the CPE is the failed unit, rebooting the AP will fix the CPE. I dont know why it occurs, but it does. When these symptoms exist, often when I do Sysinfo, it only shows a small bit of info, and then hangs. So in summary, before calling a equipment bad, visually verify the equipment is still properly mounted. Please note these symptoms are rare to occur, and do not occur on non-defective Tlinks that are properly mounted, with proper link budgets. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 issue Planning to order something in the morning. This is our primary link. I have to keep it going. On 3/4/2012 7:10 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: That was the symptom right before the master died. Put in a rocket5 and was done with it. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Mar 4, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a pair of TL45 that do a2 mile link. At peak times we are moving 35Mbps across the link. Randomly the MU and or RU will have issues. First indication is high latency across the link. Logging into the units and doing a sysinfo will generally show the first two lines or so and then after a pause display failed. Any idea what we need to do to stabilize this link? Hardware Version 5055 Firmware Version 2p0r2D08072301 System Up Time 01:51:08 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4850 - Release Date: 03/04/12 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] test 123
Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] test 123
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Re: [WISPA] test 123
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Re: [WISPA] test 123
thanks Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of DJ Anderson Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test 123 Hello DJ Anderson Shelby Broadband On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 issue
Since we are consistently pushing over 35M through the link and all the comments have pointed to bad equipment, this link will be replaced with different radios later this week. Thanks too all who responded. On 3/7/2012 9:58 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Ive found the problem usually to be a failing TLink, and the necessary solution to usually be replace the TLink with a new Tlink I'm never quick to replace a Tlink with another brand, if the Tlink has enough capacity for the purpose of the link. With TLinks, I have solid indicators when a radio is operating properly or not. Thats important. With other brands, (like UBNT), its sometimes harder to know for sure whether a link is working optimally, from the perspective of the end user's throughput. Not to mention, TLinks great for legal 5.4 and 5.3. A couple things to check I've seen two other things cause the same symptom... 1) The power supply going bad. Fixed by replacing power supply. 2) Out of alignment antenna. If the antenna gets severally out of alignment, for example if the radio is dangling towards the roof because the mast got knocked over or pulled out of the wall brick in high winds, and the link needs to struggle to stay associated, there can be a huge amount of ARQ retransmissions, and it can over tax the software, and evenually the software crashes. I dont know why, I'm not their programmer. Maybe its some sort of exceed buffer type of thing. In some cases it will get bad enough where the RF communicates, but one side of the link will not pass traffic through it, meanting between the wired Ethernet and RF. The quick fix is to reboot either side. Because the RF is up, its also possible to remotely reboot the CPE or AP side. And even oif the CPE is the failed unit, rebooting the AP will fix the CPE. I dont know why it occurs, but it does. When these symptoms exist, often when I do Sysinfo, it only shows a small bit of info, and then hangs. So in summary, before calling a equipment bad, visually verify the equipment is still properly mounted. Please note these symptoms are rare to occur, and do not occur on non-defective Tlinks that are properly mounted, with proper link budgets. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 issue Planning to order something in the morning. This is our primary link. I have to keep it going. On 3/4/2012 7:10 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: That was the symptom right before the master died. Put in a rocket5 and was done with it. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Mar 4, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a pair of TL45 that do a2 mile link. At peak times we are moving 35Mbps across the link. Randomly the MU and or RU will have issues. First indication is high latency across the link. Logging into the units and doing a sysinfo will generally show the first two lines or so and then after a pause display failed. Any idea what we need to do to stabilize this link? Hardware Version 5055 Firmware Version 2p0r2D08072301 System Up Time 01:51:08 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4850 - Release Date: 03/04/12 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4856 - Release Date: 03/07/12 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 12:14:26PM -0500, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: But then again, both PBM5 and your RM5+Antenna are very likely to be an over kill for a 2mile 20meg links, and would need to have power turned down, unless there are some other Fresnel zone issues or a high noise floor. Tight beam + dial back the power = less spectrum pollution. Sounds like a win to me. Higher gain antennas make better links than higher output radios. Unless your mount really swings... :-) -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] FW: InfoGears Inc. Website Contact Message
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT
Funny but the tower we are conecting to has been changed. The 2 mile link has become 5miles. Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe AS Technologies Ltd Tel. 234(0)8023258027 -- This e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain legally privileged, proprietary and/or confidential information. Any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments for any purposes that have not been specifically authorized by the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and permanently delete all copies and attachments. The entire content of this e-mail is for information purposes only and should not be relied upon by the recipient in any way unless otherwise confirmed in writing by way of letter or facsimile -Original Message- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:26:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 12:14:26PM -0500, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: But then again, both PBM5 and your RM5+Antenna are very likely to be an over kill for a 2mile 20meg links, and would need to have power turned down, unless there are some other Fresnel zone issues or a high noise floor. Tight beam + dial back the power = less spectrum pollution. Sounds like a win to me. Higher gain antennas make better links than higher output radios. Unless your mount really swings... :-) -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
