[WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon E7000
Anyone using these? They operate in the 71-76 GHz licensed frequency band and can do 900M/100M, 750M/250M, or 500M/500M. Price point is nice -- more $ than a typical 100M link, but less $ than a gigabit link. Adam Webjogger (845) 757-4000 www.webjogger.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
Not to shift the focus too much but The environmentals were not the primary concern. The environmentals were the loophole that a clever lawyer used to get the project stopped dead in its tracks. At this point, I think WISPs that are being overbuilt by these kind of government supported boondoggles should be looking for the loopholes and building up community support for getting these kinds of projects stopped dead in their tracks or at a minimum restructured to be more open and useable by alternative providers such as WISPs. I lost an anchor institution (school district) to EagleNet in Colorado, and the pricing structure to use their networks was a joke. The lowest connection they sold was 300meg and it was going to be something like $2000/month to connect two points across their network. It is open access in name only. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com On 12/7/2012 7:40 AM, chris cooper wrote: > The important thing to remember is that each application had to be > submitted with an environmental plan attached. Winning applicants had > their environmental documents submitted for environmental review and > approval. Awardees can't deviate from the approved environmental plan, > at least not without additional environmental approvals from EPA, USFS, > USFWS etc. If they did indeed get hung up for environmental reasons > this could have nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived or actual > merits of the project. If whatever they were doing caused them to > violate the terms of an EIS or caused them to need to prepare an EIS > then that alone is a show stopper. The awarding agencies want these > projects to get built but awardees have to follow the law. > > Chris Cooper > Intelliwave > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Fred Goldstein > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for > Colorado ISP's.. > > At 12/7/2012 08:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it >> bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they >> were building where they weren't funded for. > I can understand some of the environmental rules; digging up the > ground in wetlands and other sensitive areas can be quite > harmful. However, the actual processes are probably a lot more > details and complex than they need to be, especially since nothing > spills out of a communications conduit or fiber pipe. > > But it was a convenient way to call ENA out for building where they > were not supposed to. They were apparently trying to reach their > percentage milestones by building fiber in low-cost prairie areas of > eastern Colorado instead of high-cost mountains of western > Colorado. Only others had already built in the east, with REA > funding, so it wasn't needed there, and it left the west > unserved. ENA (and NTIA) were given several offers to settle, but > turned them down, or pretended to accept them but went ahead anyway. > >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Fred Goldstein" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for >> Colorado ISP's.. >> >> At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: >>> probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call >> >from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner.. >>> Then I found the tweets.. >>> >>> Cory's tweet >>> Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner >>> >>> BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider > EAGLE-Net >>> due to "ongoing concerns" relating to compliance with grant rules >> The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site. However, that >> site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now. A copy was >> downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA >> (I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me. >> >> ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental >> grounds. By not building where they had originally proposed, and by >> not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that >> they were building, they were in violation of the grant. So they are >> frozen. They can get permission to start building again if they can >> complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they >> are not in compliance with. Of course the easiest way to do that >> would be to go back to the originally-approved plan. You know, the >> one whose maps were "redacted" in the original public form of the >> application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the >> multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is > it? >> :-) >> >>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: is there a news article or
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
The important thing to remember is that each application had to be submitted with an environmental plan attached. Winning applicants had their environmental documents submitted for environmental review and approval. Awardees can't deviate from the approved environmental plan, at least not without additional environmental approvals from EPA, USFS, USFWS etc. If they did indeed get hung up for environmental reasons this could have nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived or actual merits of the project. If whatever they were doing caused them to violate the terms of an EIS or caused them to need to prepare an EIS then that alone is a show stopper. The awarding agencies want these projects to get built but awardees have to follow the law. Chris Cooper Intelliwave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. At 12/7/2012 08:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it >bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they >were building where they weren't funded for. I can understand some of the environmental rules; digging up the ground in wetlands and other sensitive areas can be quite harmful. However, the actual processes are probably a lot more details and complex than they need to be, especially since nothing spills out of a communications conduit or fiber pipe. But it was a convenient way to call ENA out for building where they were not supposed to. They were apparently trying to reach their percentage milestones by building fiber in low-cost prairie areas of eastern Colorado instead of high-cost mountains of western Colorado. Only others had already built in the east, with REA funding, so it wasn't needed there, and it left the west unserved. ENA (and NTIA) were given several offers to settle, but turned them down, or pretended to accept them but went ahead anyway. >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > >- Original Message - >From: "Fred Goldstein" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for >Colorado ISP's.. > >At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: > >probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call > >from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner.. > >Then I found the tweets.. > > > >Cory's tweet > >Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner > > > >BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider EAGLE-Net > >due to "ongoing concerns" relating to compliance with grant rules > >The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site. However, that >site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now. A copy was >downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA >(I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me. > >ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental >grounds. By not building where they had originally proposed, and by >not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that >they were building, they were in violation of the grant. So they are >frozen. They can get permission to start building again if they can >complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they >are not in compliance with. Of course the easiest way to do that >would be to go back to the originally-approved plan. You know, the >one whose maps were "redacted" in the original public form of the >application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the >multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is it? >:-) > > >On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > > is there a news article or something??? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: > > >> > > >> SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy > > >> > > >> Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in > > >> rural Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. > > >> > > >> Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! > > >> > > >> BEST NEWS EVER!!! > > -- > Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com > ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ > +1 617 795 2701 > >___ >Wireless mailing list >Wireless@wispa.org >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >___ >Wireless mailing list >Wireless@wispa.org >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
At 12/7/2012 08:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it >bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they >were building where they weren't funded for. I can understand some of the environmental rules; digging up the ground in wetlands and other sensitive areas can be quite harmful. However, the actual processes are probably a lot more details and complex than they need to be, especially since nothing spills out of a communications conduit or fiber pipe. But it was a convenient way to call ENA out for building where they were not supposed to. They were apparently trying to reach their percentage milestones by building fiber in low-cost prairie areas of eastern Colorado instead of high-cost mountains of western Colorado. Only others had already built in the east, with REA funding, so it wasn't needed there, and it left the west unserved. ENA (and NTIA) were given several offers to settle, but turned them down, or pretended to accept them but went ahead anyway. >- >Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > >- Original Message - >From: "Fred Goldstein" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for >Colorado ISP's.. > >At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: > >probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call > >from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner.. > >Then I found the tweets.. > > > >Cory's tweet > >Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner > > > >BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider EAGLE-Net > >due to "ongoing concerns" relating to compliance with grant rules > >The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site. However, that >site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now. A copy was >downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA >(I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me. > >ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental >grounds. By not building where they had originally proposed, and by >not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that >they were building, they were in violation of the grant. So they are >frozen. They can get permission to start building again if they can >complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they >are not in compliance with. Of course the easiest way to do that >would be to go back to the originally-approved plan. You know, the >one whose maps were "redacted" in the original public form of the >application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the >multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is it? >:-) > > >On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > > is there a news article or something??? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: > > >> > > >> SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy > > >> > > >> Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in > > >> rural Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. > > >> > > >> Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! > > >> > > >> BEST NEWS EVER!!! > > -- > Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com > ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ > +1 617 795 2701 > >___ >Wireless mailing list >Wireless@wispa.org >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >___ >Wireless mailing list >Wireless@wispa.org >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they were building where they weren't funded for. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: >probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call >from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner.. >Then I found the tweets.. > >Cory's tweet >Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner > >BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider EAGLE-Net >due to "ongoing concerns" relating to compliance with grant rules The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site. However, that site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now. A copy was downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA (I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me. ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental grounds. By not building where they had originally proposed, and by not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that they were building, they were in violation of the grant. So they are frozen. They can get permission to start building again if they can complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they are not in compliance with. Of course the easiest way to do that would be to go back to the originally-approved plan. You know, the one whose maps were "redacted" in the original public form of the application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is it? :-) >On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > is there a news article or something??? > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote: > >> > >> SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy > >> > >> Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in > >> rural Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. > >> > >> Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! > >> > >> BEST NEWS EVER!!! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
*nods* There was a lot of this. Illinois got more than most states and most of it went to areas that didn't need it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: "daniel white" , "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:33:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. Oh wow, that's really awesome to know they were pulling fiber along the most fiber laden portion of the state...sheeze what a govt boondoggle! Glad they hadn't extended their tenticales to our part of the state that could really use some new fiber paths. Good riddance! On Thursday, December 6, 2012, Daniel White wrote: And they just got done pulling the fiber they were trenching along I-25 here in the Frederick/Firestone area. Major blow to G4S I'm sure. Wonder what happens to that fiber now... Daniel White – Sales Manager West and Southeast USA SAF Tehnika JSC Cell: +1 303-746-3590 SAF office: +371 67046840 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] > On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's.. > > SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy > > Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in rural > Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. > > Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! > > BEST NEWS EVER!!! > > > -- > Ryan Ghering > Network Operations - Plains.Net > Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..
http://www.9news.com/news/article/303627/339/Internet-company-loses-funding-amid-concerns- On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > Well pot is already legal here so what would be better than that??? > > > On Thursday, December 6, 2012, Doug Clark wrote: > >> I can think of one other thing that would be better news coming out >> of Colorado than that. >> >> >> >> >> *---Original Message---* >> >> *From:* Daniel White >> *Date:* 12/6/2012 5:33:00 PM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for >> ColoradoISP's.. >> >> And they just got done pulling the fiber they were trenching along I-25 >> here >> in the Frederick/Firestone area. >> >> Major blow to G4S I'm sure. >> >> Wonder what happens to that fiber now... >> >> Daniel White – Sales Manager West and Southeast USA >> SAF Tehnika JSC >> >> Cell: +1 303-746-3590 >> SAF office: +371 67046840 >> Skype: danieldwhite >> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >> >> >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering >> > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:48 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado >> ISP's.. >> > >> > SenatorBrophy @SenatorBrophy >> > >> > Eagle-Net grant pulled. Stimulus boon-doogle that hurt businesses in >> rural >> > Colorado reigned in. Damage was already done, recovery starts. >> > >> > Word is the CEO of Eagle-Net has also resigned!!! >> > >> > BEST NEWS EVER!!! >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ryan Ghering >> > Network Operations - Plains.Net >> > Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 >> > ___ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 <>___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
