Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Here is the direct link to the offset in the ISP Radio interview where Baicells 
SDR claim is laid to rest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXaLsN1yWc=3059

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred 
Goldstein [f...@interisle.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:10 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

On 6/19/2016 10:09 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
> I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
> with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
> managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

I only know what's public including what was said on the very good WISP
Brothers interview from WISPAmerica. What I got from that is that
Baicells uses Qualcomm chips. So just as Ubiquiti used Atheros chips to
make decent cheap radios, Baicells uses Qualcomm's chips rather than
building everything from scratch. I'm not sure if this applies to all of
their eNBs or just the little one, though. And whether the chip counts
as SDR is itself an interesting question.

> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.


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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Fred Goldstein]

On 6/19/2016 10:09 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
> I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
> with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
> managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

I only know what's public including what was said on the very good WISP 
Brothers interview from WISPAmerica. What I got from that is that 
Baicells uses Qualcomm chips. So just as Ubiquiti used Atheros chips to 
make decent cheap radios, Baicells uses Qualcomm's chips rather than 
building everything from scratch. I'm not sure if this applies to all of 
their eNBs or just the little one, though. And whether the chip counts 
as SDR is itself an interesting question.

> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.


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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

What is Baicells UE default MTU?

I am not sure if all of the Telrad devices on the network (Compact & Breezeway) 
properly support jumbo frames.  I can't remember which device it was -- I 
*think* it was the Breezeway -- but there was one I remember testing and found 
a hard MTU limit on (IIRC, with the current 6.5 GA release, I think a 1496 MTU 
is forced on the PDN service interface VLAN).

Ah, yes, here we go:

eth1.13   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX  
  inet addr:NNN.NNN.NNN.NNN  Bcast:NNN.NNN.NNN.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1496  Metric:1

It makes sense to have a default MTU < 1500 on UEs since it is by no means 
guaranteed that the network itself will have the necessary headroom for 1500 
once all of the GTP overhead is accounted for.

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Hi,

Yes, the current Biacells (11db) UE when using a Telrad SIM card will connect 
to the Telrad eNB and Telrad core and work fine.
The only issue I have found is that I have to set the Biacells UE’s MTU setting 
down to 1400 for it to work correctly.

The latest firmware from Telrad was supposed to allow MTU of 1500 on the UE, 
but we have not been able to make that work yet.
I am going to send all the details off to Telrad on the MTU issue.  The current 
UE 7000 has a MTU of 1400 by default!

Will test the Biacells (19.5db) as soon as I get it on Monday.


Matt Carpenter




On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Austin 
> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter 
> wrote:

The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We were 
not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.

How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a Telrad 
ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the attractiveness of a 
cheaper UE.

Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the 7000s...

Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.


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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless steel enclosures

[George Rogato]

Do you have a url?

On 6/19/2016 3:03 PM, T Maylone wrote:

tractor supply 36 x 18 x 18 $219

all depends on purpose and what you call reasonable


/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


Adair Winter  wrote:

http://www.amprod.us/t-minifort_enclosures.aspx

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mitch > wrote:


Where are you guys find reasonably priced enclosures?


Mitch Koep
218-851-8689  cell

On 06/19/2016 08:36 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:

plasma cutter.  I can make a hole (square for fan or round for
whatever) in about 10 seconds without any effort and without
buying expensive carbide bits over and over.  Its my new favorite
way :)
*Scott Carullo*
Technical Operations
Florida High Speed Internet
(321) 205-1100 x102 



*From*: "Adair Winter" 

*Sent*: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:06 AM
*To*: "WISPA General List" 

*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless
steel enclosures
I best option is to use a knock out/punch kit, like the OP
suggested.
Drilling is OK but a step bit can make a real mess of a hole and
stainless makes it even worse.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:54 AM, T Maylone
> wrote:

slow speed
carbide bit
coolant
let the drill do the work not muscle
sharp bit
easy to sharpen
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


"Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net" > wrote:
Stepped bits work great but stainless steel will ruin any
bit, so I buy cheap ones from harbor freight as they are dull
when the hole is done.  This is what I have used, $20 for two
piece set instead of $50 for one this size from Lowe's. 
These tear through steel too.  I've used on 1/2 inch

Galvanized I beams with no problem.

http://m.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-steel-step-drills-96275.html
Troy
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message 
From: Stephen Potter >
Date: 6/18/16 11:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless
steel enclosures
I have used stepped drill bits with excellent results for
drilling holes into sheetmetal/stock.
http://amzn.to/1UhSf7o
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Steve
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Adair Winter
> wrote:

That's exactly what we do. It'll be fine.
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 10:21 PM, > wrote:

Howdy.

Ordered a nice new stainless steel outdoor enclosure
to house some equipment. I need to put some 3/4 inch
holes in it. Anyone happen to know if using a regular
Klein or Greenlee punch set will do the trick? I know
they work great on mild steel but wasn't sure about
stainless.

Anyone ever done it before?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Okay, cool, so if one intermixes Baicells and Telrad on a network with their 
own core, one can unify the experience across the line for their customers; 
good.

The *eNB* is NATting?  With no option to turn off if using local breakout?  
(Not that I guess it matters if planning to use one's own core.)

I had not considered that since Baicells runs the core that their SIMs are 
pre-populated into that they likely don't give you the keys.  Makes sense.

Many thanks,

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core, or 
you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to our 
Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.

The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its local 
Gateway.

Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending to 
the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.

The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We were 
not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.



Matt Carpenter




On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson 
> > wrote:
>
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
>
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
>
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
>
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
>
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter 
> [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
>
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
>
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
>
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
>
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
>
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> >>
>  

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

I believe that Patrick has said as much (not SDR) on the ISP Radio interview 
with him back in April.  Would certainly go a ways to explaining how they 
managed to offer it for basically 1/3rd the price of competing gear.

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt 
Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I think Adair said he has?

Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
>
> Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
> Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
> cloud core.
>
> But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
> considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
> counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
> Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have 
> high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to 
> begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
>
> *gear spinning*
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> > wrote:
>
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
>
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> > wrote:
>
>
> He said "real" good ;)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
>
>
> "Good"?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> > wrote:
>
>
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> > wrote:
>
> Ours*  brain fart.
>
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> >
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

>From my reading, it seems that this is called "local breakout".  And all it 
>means (I think) is that UEs roaming on a foreign network won't have their 
>traffic tunneled all the way back to their provider's PGW, but can instead 
>have it terminated on the foreign provider's PGW.  I'm sure that this 
>flexibility in PGW assignment could be used by vendors to do "truly local" IP 
>breakout right at the eNB (which I imagine could also be useful in other 
>scenarios; e.g., home femtocells), but it seems inescapable to me that this 
>means implementing the SGW/PGW parts of the EPC on the eNB itself.  It can't 
>just sluff off the IP traffic locally without still pushing and popping the 
>GTP-U encapsulation on the traffic (AFAIK).

If true, this would explain why Baicells has it and Telrad doesn't: it's not 
strictly required by the standard that an eNB offer this feature (which would 
require an at least partial embedded EPC on the eNB); all that is required is 
that a PGW other than the home network one can be chosen, which was not a 
feature of GPRS or UMTS.  Perhaps once Telrad has their eEPC working on the 
Compact, this could also become a possibility on Telrad as well (instead of 
using the eEPC for *everything*, send authentication/S1-MME to a Breezeway to 
handle but have the embedded PGW terminate the user traffic).

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt 
Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 2:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
>
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
>
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
>
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
>
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
>
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
>
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
>
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
>
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
>
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
>
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
>
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> > wrote:
>
> You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> Eh. VPN router.
>

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

Hi,

Yes, the current Biacells (11db) UE when using a Telrad SIM card will connect 
to the Telrad eNB and Telrad core and work fine.
The only issue I have found is that I have to set the Biacells UE’s MTU setting 
down to 1400 for it to work correctly.

The latest firmware from Telrad was supposed to allow MTU of 1500 on the UE, 
but we have not been able to make that work yet. 
I am going to send all the details off to Telrad on the MTU issue.  The current 
UE 7000 has a MTU of 1400 by default!

Will test the Biacells (19.5db) as soon as I get it on Monday.


Matt Carpenter




> On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Austin  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We 
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
> 
> How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a Telrad 
> ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the attractiveness of a 
> cheaper UE.
> 
> Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the 7000s...
> 
> Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> (907) 803-5422
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> 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Jeremy Austin]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Carpenter <
mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

>
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
>

How about the reverse? A Telrad SIM in a Baicells UE, connecting to a
Telrad ENB/EPC? I remember some discussion about WISPA about the
attractiveness of a cheaper UE.

Then again, the next gen Telrad CPEs are ostensibly cheaper than the
7000s...

Thanks for all the compatibility testing, Amarillo -- great work.


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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

Possible to NOT NAT customer traffic on BaiCell?

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 15:49, Matthew Carpenter 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core, or 
> you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
> We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to our 
> Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.
> 
> The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its local 
> Gateway. 
> 
> Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending to 
> the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.
> 
> The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We 
> were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
> A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a 
> Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.
> 
> 
> 
> Matt Carpenter
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do 
>> it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.
>> 
>> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
>> >
>> > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
>> > authentication.  Very cool.
>> >
>> > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
>> > Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
>> > making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
>> > traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel 
>> > to the EPC.
>> >
>> > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
>> > traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
>> > monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
>> > Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go 
>> > to/from the core for that to work.
>> >
>> > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
>> > work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, 
>> > because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's 
>> > perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of 
>> > the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that 
>> > user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB 
>> > implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you 
>> > wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic 
>> > off to an external EPC as well?
>> >
>> > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide 
>> > those as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and 
>> > vice-versa?
>> >
>> > -- Nathan
>> > 
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> >
>> > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and 
>> > UEs.
>> >
>> > Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
>> > With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
>> >
>> > UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
>> >
>> > Things to test:
>> > 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
>> > 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
>> > don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
>> > coming out soon to add VPLS)
>> > 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
>> > 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
>> > 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
>> >
>> > One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only 
>> > send SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to 
>> > its gateway and not to the core.
>> >
>> > Matthew Carpenter
>> > Amarillo Wireless
>> > 806-316-5071
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>> > >
>> >  wrote:
>> > Eh. VPN router.
>> >
>> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to 
>> > their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>> >
>> > The other way around works great though.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core,
or you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway.
We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to
our Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out.

The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its
local Gateway.

Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending
to the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core.

The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core.  We
were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells.
A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a
Biacells eNB and Biacells Core.



Matt Carpenter



On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do
> it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB.
>
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> >
> > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for
> authentication.  Very cool.
> >
> > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel
> to the EPC.
> >
> > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go
> to/from the core for that to work.
> >
> > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it,
> because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's
> perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of
> the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that
> user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB
> implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you
> wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic
> off to an external EPC as well?
> >
> > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide
> those as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> >
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and
> UEs.
> >
> > Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> > With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
> >
> > UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
> >
> > Things to test:
> > 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> > 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> > 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> > 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> > 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
> >
> > One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only
> send SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its
> gateway and not to the core.
> >
> > Matthew Carpenter
> > Amarillo Wireless
> > 806-316-5071
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> >
> > You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
> > Eh. VPN router.
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter  > wrote:
> >
> > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> >
> > The other way around works great though.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
> > Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
> >
> > *gear spinning*
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  > wrote:
> >
> > Baicells is going to have cheaper 

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless steel enclosures

[mike . lyon]

I use enclosurehub.com

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 15:03, T Maylone  wrote:
> 
> tractor supply 36 x 18 x 18 $219
> 
> all depends on purpose and what you call reasonable
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> 
> 
> Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> http://www.amprod.us/t-minifort_enclosures.aspx
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mitch  wrote:
>> Where are you guys find reasonably priced enclosures?
>> 
>> 
>> Mitch Koep
>> 218-851-8689 cell
>> 
>>> On 06/19/2016 08:36 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>>> plasma cutter.  I can make a hole (square for fan or round for whatever) in 
>>> about 10 seconds without any effort and without buying expensive carbide 
>>> bits over and over.  Its my new favorite way :)  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> Florida High Speed Internet
>>> (321) 205-1100 x102
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: "Adair Winter" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:06 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless steel 
>>> enclosures
>>>  
>>> I best option is to use a knock out/punch kit, like the OP suggested.
>>> Drilling is OK but a step bit can make a real mess of a hole and stainless 
>>> makes it even worse.
>>>  
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:54 AM, T Maylone 
  wrote:
 slow speed
  
 carbide bit
  
 coolant
  
 let the drill do the work not muscle
  
 sharp bit
  
 easy to sharpen
  
  
  
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
 
 
 "Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net"  wrote:
  
 Stepped bits work great but stainless steel will ruin any bit, so I buy 
 cheap ones from harbor freight as they are dull when the hole is done.  
 This is what I have used, $20 for two piece set instead of $50 for one 
 this size from Lowe's.  These tear through steel too.  I've used on 1/2 
 inch Galvanized I beams with no problem.
  
 http://m.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-steel-step-drills-96275.html
  
 Troy
  
  
 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
  
  Original message 
 From: Stephen Potter 
 Date: 6/18/16 11:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless steel 
 enclosures
  
 I have used stepped drill bits with excellent results for drilling holes 
 into sheetmetal/stock.
  
 http://amzn.to/1UhSf7o
  
  
 
  
  
  
 Steve
  
  
  
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Adair Winter 
>  wrote:
> That's exactly what we do. It'll be fine.
>  
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 10:21 PM,  wrote:
>> Howdy.
>> 
>> Ordered a nice new stainless steel outdoor enclosure to house some 
>> equipment. I need to put some 3/4 inch holes in it. Anyone happen to 
>> know if using a regular Klein or  Greenlee punch set will do the trick? 
>> I know they work great on mild steel but wasn't sure about stainless.
>> 
>> Anyone ever done it before?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
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>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
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>>> C: 806.231.7180
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT: punching holes in stainless steel enclosures

[T Maylone]

tractor supply 36 x 18 x 18 $219

all depends on purpose and what you call reasonable


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

Yes, Baicell eNB to Telrad core works fine in our testing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I think Adair said he has?
>
> Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know.
>
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have
> a Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to
> Baicells cloud core.
> >
> > But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is
> interesting, considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas
> where you are counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the
> extra oomph, and Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply
> aren't going to have high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have
> justified a Compact to begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing
> Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
> >
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> >
> > The other way around works great though.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
> > Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
> >
> > *gear spinning*
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  > wrote:
> >
> > Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
> offs to other vendors.
> > for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> > Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
> > I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> >
> > Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> >
> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  > wrote:
> >
> >
> > He said "real" good ;)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Matt Hoppes
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > As opposed to bad? :P.
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Good"?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
> > True. It's good though. Real good.
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann > wrote:
> >
> >
> > We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, >
> wrote:
> > Whats the pricing like?
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  > wrote:
> >
> > Ours*  brain fart.
> >
> > We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Christian Palecek >
> > Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: WISPA General List >
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> >
> > We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
> getting one I guess.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Chris Ruschmann >
> 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, 
which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
> authentication.  Very cool.
> 
> Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on 
> Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with 
> making that work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user 
> traffic.  In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to 
> the EPC.
> 
> However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user 
> traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a 
> monkey wrench into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a 
> Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from 
> the core for that to work.
> 
> How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even 
> work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because 
> I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective 
> as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user 
> traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic 
> be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the 
> EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect 
> to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as 
> well?
> 
> What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those 
> as well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.
> 
> Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
> With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.
> 
> UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.
> 
> Things to test:
> 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
> 2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
> don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB 
> coming out soon to add VPLS)
> 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
> 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
> 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.
> 
> One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
> SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its 
> gateway and not to the core.
> 
> Matthew Carpenter
> Amarillo Wireless
> 806-316-5071
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> > wrote:
> 
> You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> Eh. VPN router.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
> > wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> > wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> > wrote:
> 
> 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I think Adair said he has?

Who says the baicells isn't SDR?  I don't know. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:55, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
> Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
> cloud core.
> 
> But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
> considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
> counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
> Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have 
> high subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to 
> begin with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> > wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> > wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> >
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann >
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for 
authentication.  Very cool.

Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on Telrad), 
but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with making that 
work.  As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user traffic.  In the 
Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to the EPC.

However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user traffic 
to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a monkey wrench 
into that whole theory.  For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a Telrad UE and a 
Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from the core for that 
to work.

How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even work?? 
I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because I think 
it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective as well 
as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user traffic to the 
cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic be tunneled via 
GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the EPC (likely the 
SGW and PGW bits) itself?  If you wanted to, could you elect to shut those off 
and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as well?

What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs?  Does Baicells provide those as 
well?  Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa?

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs.

Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup.
With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core.

UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs.

Things to test:
1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB
2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I don't 
believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB coming out 
soon to add VPLS)
3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?
4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?
5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE.

One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its gateway 
and not to the core.

Matthew Carpenter
Amarillo Wireless
806-316-5071




On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:

You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Eh. VPN router.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


He said "real" good ;)

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

You can run your own EPC. It's a take your pick!!!

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 16:47, Nathan Anderson  wrote:
> 
> To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff.  But to the first, 
> if your users can't authenticate...
> 
> -- Nathan
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
> Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
> > wrote:
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> > wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
> baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> > wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
> 
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
> 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> He said "real" good ;)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> > 
> wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > 
> wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> > wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
> small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> >
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting 
> one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann >
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List >
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
> > wrote:
> By: Douglas Adams
> "Man [has] always assumed 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Yeah, if you're already buying Telrad Compacts then you *probably* have a 
Telrad core, so I don't see the appeal of hooking up Telrad eNB to Baicells 
cloud core.

But the idea of hooking up a Baicells eNB to a Telrad core is interesting, 
considering the eNB price differential...use Compacts in areas where you are 
counting on the future SDR roadmap/upgradeability and the extra oomph, and 
Baicells for little micro-cell sites where you simply aren't going to have high 
subscriber density or demand and couldn't have justified a Compact to begin 
with.  Have you actually tried pointing Baicells eNB at a Breezeway?

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


He said "real" good ;)

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
True. It's good though. Real good.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > 
wrote:
Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Christian Palecek 
>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Chris Ruschmann >
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
> wrote:
By: Douglas Adams
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he 
had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins 
had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, 
the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than 
man-for precisely the same reason."

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Hammett]

They do have more zones in the US than Amazon. I'm not sure how Google or 
others stack up. 

- Original Message -

From: "Nathan Anderson"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:47:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff. But to the first, if 
your users can't authenticate... 

-- Nathan 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be. 
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy . 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
> wrote: 
So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down? 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> wrote: 

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult. 

The other way around works great though. 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote: 
Since LTE is a standard I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC?? 

*gear spinning* 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> wrote: 

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors. 
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. 
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing. 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote: 

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote: 
I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote: 


He said "real" good ;) 

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

As opposed to bad? :P. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> wrote: 


"Good"? 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote: 
True. It's good though. Real good. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> wrote: 


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. 

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > 
wrote: 
Whats the pricing like? 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote: 

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> wrote: 

Ours* brain fart. 

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 

 Original message  
From: Christian Palecek 
> 
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I 
guess. 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 

 Original message  
From: Chris Ruschmann > 
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. 

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
> wrote: 
By: Douglas Adams 
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff.  But to the first, if 
your users can't authenticate...

-- Nathan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
> wrote:
So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?

On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


He said "real" good ;)

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

As opposed to bad? :P.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
wrote:
True. It's good though. Real good.

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > 
wrote:
Whats the pricing like?

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> wrote:

Ours*  brain fart.

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Christian Palecek 
>
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only getting one 
I guess.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Chris Ruschmann >
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: WISPA General List >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today.

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
> wrote:
By: Douglas Adams
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he 
had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins 
had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, 
the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than 
man-for precisely the same reason."

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matthew Carpenter]

So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs. 
Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup. With only one change it will 
connect and work with the Telrad core. 
UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs. 
Things to test:1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad 
eNB2. VPLS from the Telrad  Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I 
don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB coming 
out soon to add VPLS)3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ?4. Does the Biacells 
UE allow remote management from the Wireless side?5. Do all this again with the 
new 19.5 dB Biscells UE. 
One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send 
SIM card authorization to the core.  All customer data goes out to its gateway 
and not to the core. 
Matthew Carpenter
Amarillo Wireless
806-316-5071




On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" 
 wrote:










You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
Eh. VPN router. 
On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter  wrote:

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult.
The other way around works great though.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??
*gear spinning*
On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  wrote:

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors.for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.Also you'll pay per 
user per month to use their core unless you already have one. so look at the 
long term when pricing.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:


Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.


Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
wrote:
I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:








 
He said "real" good ;)
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Matt Hoppes 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's 
  deployed it?
  

  
  As opposed to bad? :P. 
  
On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
  wrote:


  



"Good"?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 
937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
wrote:


  
  
  True. It's good though. Real good. 
  
On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:


  



We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys 
answer that one.
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:


  
  
  Whats the pricing like?
  
  
On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes  
  wrote:


  


https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  wrote:



  
  Ours*  brain fart.
  

  We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
  another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of 
  testing.
  

  

  

  
  Sent from my Verizon, 
  Samsung Galaxy smartphone
  

  
   Original message 
  From: Christian Palecek  
  Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: WISPA General List  
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 
  

  We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet 
  though.  Only getting one I guess.
  

  

  

  
  Sent from my Verizon, 
  Samsung Galaxy smartphone
  

  
   Original message 
  From: Chris Ruschmann  
  Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: WISPA General List  
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

You just gonna call up baicell and get the info?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Eh. VPN router.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
>> the baicells EPC??
>>
>> *gear spinning*
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
>> offs to other vendors.
>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

 Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

 On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


 He said "real" good ;)


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Matt Hoppes 
 *To:* WISPA General List 
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 As opposed to bad? :P.

 On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 "Good"?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> True. It's good though. Real good.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> wrote:
>
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
> one.
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> Whats the pricing like?
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> wrote:
>
> Ours*  brain fart.
>
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
> getting one I guess.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann 
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
> today.
> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
> wrote:
>
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <
>> mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM,  wrote:

> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to
> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>
> The other way around works great though.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
>> the baicells EPC??
>>
>> *gear spinning*
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
>> offs to other vendors.
>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 I've said too much. I haven't said enough.

 Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.

 On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


 He said "real" good ;)


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Matt Hoppes 
 *To:* WISPA General List 
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 As opposed to bad? :P.

 On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 "Good"?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> True. It's good though. Real good.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
> wrote:
>
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
> one.
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> Whats the pricing like?
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
> wrote:
>
> Ours*  brain fart.
>
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
> getting one I guess.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann 
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
> today.
> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
> wrote:
>
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Shouldn't be. No. That aside. You can run your own core if you like. 

Hosted cores are very common in the cellular world. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 13:01, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter  wrote:
>> 
>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
>> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>> 
>> The other way around works great though.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>>> baicells EPC??
>>> 
>>> *gear spinning*
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  
 wrote:
 
 Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
 offs to other vendors.
 for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
 Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
 have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>  wrote:
>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>> 
>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
 
 "Good"?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>  wrote:
> True. It's good though. Real good. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>> one.
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>> Whats the pricing like?
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
  wrote:
 
 Ours*  brain fart.
 
 We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
 another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 
  Original message 
 From: Christian Palecek 
 Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
 
 We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
 getting one I guess.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 
  Original message 
 From: Chris Ruschmann 
 Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
 
 I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the 
 gear today.
 
> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
>  wrote:
> 
> By: Douglas Adams
> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than 
> dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, 
> wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck 
> about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the 
> dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent 
> than man-for precisely the 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Eh. VPN router. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>> baicells EPC??
>> 
>> *gear spinning*
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>> 
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
  wrote:
 Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>  wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> He said "real" good ;)
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Good"?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
  wrote:
 True. It's good though. Real good. 
 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
> wrote:
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
> one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>> 
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>> getting one I guess.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the 
>>> gear today.
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
  wrote:
 
 By: Douglas Adams
 "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than 
 dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars 
 and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in 
 the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had 
 always believed that they were far more intelligent than man-for 
 precisely the same reason."
 
 John Michael Francis II
 JMF Solutions, Inc
 Wavefly Technologies
 Internet - Voip - Cloud
 251-517-5069
 http://jmfsolutions.net
 http://wavefly.com
 
> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Anxiously awaiting 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[mike . lyon]

So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
> hosted core, it would be more difficult.
> 
> The other way around works great though.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
>> baicells EPC??
>> 
>> *gear spinning*
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>> offs to other vendors.
>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>> 
 On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
  wrote:
 Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>  wrote:
> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
> 
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> He said "real" good ;)
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Good"?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
  wrote:
 True. It's good though. Real good. 
 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
> wrote:
> 
> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
> one.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
> Whats the pricing like?
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>> 
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>>> getting one I guess.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the 
>>> gear today.
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
  wrote:
 
 By: Douglas Adams
 "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than 
 dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars 
 and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in 
 the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had 
 always believed that they were far more intelligent than man-for 
 precisely the same reason."
 
 John Michael Francis II
 JMF Solutions, Inc
 Wavefly Technologies
 Internet - Voip - Cloud
 251-517-5069
 http://jmfsolutions.net
 http://wavefly.com
 
> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their
hosted core, it would be more difficult.

The other way around works great though.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to
> the baicells EPC??
>
> *gear spinning*
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
> offs to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>>
>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
>>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Good"?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 True. It's good though. Real good.

 On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:

 We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that
 one.
 On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:

 Whats the pricing like?

 On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

 https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

 On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
 wrote:

 Ours*  brain fart.

 We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another
 in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.



 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

  Original message 
 From: Christian Palecek 
 Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
 getting one I guess.



 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

  Original message 
 From: Chris Ruschmann 
 Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
 today.
 On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
 wrote:

> By: Douglas Adams
> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly Technologies
> Internet - Voip - Cloud
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <
> mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:
>
>> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
>> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
>> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
>> documented.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC??

*gear spinning*

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs 
> to other vendors.
> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
> one. so look at the long term when pricing.
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>> wrote:
>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>> 
>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  
 wrote:
 
  
 He said "real" good ;)
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hoppes
 To: WISPA General List
 Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
 
 As opposed to bad? :P. 
 
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> "Good"?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>  wrote:
>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
>>> one.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 
 https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ours*  brain fart.
> 
> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another 
> in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Christian Palecek 
> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
> getting one I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Chris Ruschmann 
> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
> today.
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> By: Douglas Adams
>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>> reason."
>> 
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly Technologies
>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>> 
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
  wrote:
 We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on 
 beginning
 deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a 
 mix-use
 test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well 
 documented.

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Adair Winter]

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade
offs to other vendors.
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already
have one. so look at the long term when pricing.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> wrote:
>
>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>>
>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> He said "real" good ;)
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> As opposed to bad? :P.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> "Good"?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>>
>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Whats the pricing like?
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>>
>>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
>>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Christian Palecek 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>>> getting one I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>
>>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>>> today.
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 By: Douglas Adams
 "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
 because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
 all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
 time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
 more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."

 John Michael Francis II
 JMF Solutions, Inc
 Wavefly Technologies
 Internet - Voip - Cloud
 251-517-5069
 http://jmfsolutions.net
 http://wavefly.com

 On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <
 mfran...@jmfsolutions.net> wrote:

> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
> documented.
>
> Best regards,
>
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly Technologies
> Internet - Voip - Cloud
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
>
> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come
> very
> > soon.
> >
> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
> Care
> >> to comment on/off list?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Josh Luthman]

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> I've said too much. I haven't said enough.
>
> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing.
>
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> He said "real" good ;)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
> As opposed to bad? :P.
>
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> "Good"?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> wrote:
>
>> True. It's good though. Real good.
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
>>
>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Whats the pricing like?
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ours*  brain fart.
>>
>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in
>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Christian Palecek 
>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only
>> getting one I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear
>> today.
>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins
>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while
>>> all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good
>>> time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far
>>> more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason."
>>>
>>> John Michael Francis II
>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>> 251-517-5069
>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>> http://wavefly.com
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis >> > wrote:
>>>
 We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
 deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
 test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well
 documented.

 Best regards,

 John Michael Francis II
 JMF Solutions, Inc
 Wavefly Technologies
 Internet - Voip - Cloud
 251-517-5069
 http://jmfsolutions.net
 http://wavefly.com

 On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
 > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come
 very
 > soon.
 >
 > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
 Care
 >> to comment on/off list?
 >>
 >> Josh Luthman
 >> Office: 937-552-2340
 >> Direct: 937-552-2343
 >> 1100 Wayne St
 >> Suite 1337
 >> Troy, OH 45373
 >>
 >>
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 >>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Matt Hoppes]

I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:
> 
>  
> He said "real" good ;)
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>> "Good"?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
>>> wrote:
>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:
 
 We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one.
 
 On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
 Whats the pricing like?
 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ours*  brain fart.
>> 
>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in 
>> a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Christian Palecek 
>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  Only 
>> getting one I guess.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear 
>> today.
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
>>> because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
>>> on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water 
>>> having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed 
>>> that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same 
>>> reason."
>>> 
>>> John Michael Francis II
>>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>>> Wavefly Technologies
>>> Internet - Voip - Cloud
>>> 251-517-5069
>>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>>> http://wavefly.com
>>> 
 On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
>  wrote:
> We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning
> deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use
> test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well 
> documented.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> John Michael Francis II
> JMF Solutions, Inc
> Wavefly Technologies
> Internet - Voip - Cloud
> 251-517-5069
> http://jmfsolutions.net
> http://wavefly.com
> 
> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not 
> > speak
> > yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come 
> > very
> > soon.
> >
> > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  
> >> Care
> >> to comment on/off list?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

He said "real" good ;)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Matt Hoppes 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?


  As opposed to bad? :P. 

  On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman  wrote:


"Good"?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  
wrote:

  True. It's good though. Real good. 

  On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  wrote:


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that 
one.

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:

  Whats the pricing like?

  On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:


https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
 wrote:


  Ours*  brain fart.


  We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing.






  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


   Original message 
  From: Christian Palecek  
  Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: WISPA General List  
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


  We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  
Only getting one I guess.






  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


   Original message 
  From: Chris Ruschmann  
  Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: WISPA General List  
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


  I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the 
gear today.

  On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
 wrote:

  By: Douglas Adams 

  "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent 
than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so 
on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a 
good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far 
more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." 


John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote!




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis 
 wrote:

We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan 
on beginning
deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing 
a mix-use
test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be 
well documented.

Best regards,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly Technologies
Internet - Voip - Cloud
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com


On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but 
can not speak
> yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will 
forth come very
> soon.
>
> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear 
deployed?  Care
>> to comment on/off list?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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