Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Ian Fraser 


But it's not saying that the Baicells did either because they didn't Set 
a provisioned speed for it.  So what /should /it have reached ?  Granted 
the numbers are higher, but what does that mean ?



Maybe it says that one EPC/UE was configured for QCI 6 and the other for 
3 ?  Maybe the UE was 5 feet off the ground for one and 35' for the 
other.  One tweaked or one just 'aimed'.



Maybe the competitor was doing the absolute best they could to make 
their stuff run as good as possible and Baicell's is just so much better 
that they tested from a J Arm on the seat of the car facing in the 
opposite direction.  Maybe not.  We have no idea so it's useless 
information.



Ian


On 6/25/2016 12:22 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even 
approached the provisioned speed.



On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman > wrote:



Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" > wrote:



This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage
and one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed
limit set'.

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet
pipe (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day
(most likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test
rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
connection at the same single location.

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on,
otherwise what's the point ?

Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a
test in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before
foliage emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the
Baicells Facebook page

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com 

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+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Ian Fraser 


And the question to be answered is what is the reason for that? To 
answer that you must eliminate all the variables you can.  To just 
assume either gear is better or worse because of these numbers without 
knowing all the other variables is not the right way to go.


Ian


On 6/25/2016 12:22 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even 
approached the provisioned speed.



On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman > wrote:



Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" > wrote:



This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage
and one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed
limit set'.

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet
pipe (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day
(most likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test
rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
connection at the same single location.

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on,
otherwise what's the point ?

Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a
test in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before
foliage emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the
Baicells Facebook page

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340 

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Jeremy Austin 
It does seem to be apples and oranges. The CINR vs percentage of drop do
not square with my own testing, which was ~70 locations and using iPerf
rather than something off-net.

And when I started testing 15 Mb plans and speedtest, performance was
consistent with iperf testing, with known and stable upstream capacity.

It would be great to see CINR and RSRP values for *both* testing setups.
Those translate consistently to UE performance, in my (admittedly short)
experience. And if Baicells is holding higher modulations at lower CINR
values, that would be both interesting and valuable to know.

Regardless, I look forward to further testing results. Great to see more
people getting LTE experience.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even
> approached the provisioned speed.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:
>
>>
>> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one
>> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'.
>>
>> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe
>> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely),
>> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows),
>> latency (?).
>>
>> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
>> connection at the same single location.
>>
>> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise
>> what's the point ?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>
>> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in
>> South Carolina on Tuesday.
>>
>>
>>
>> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
>> Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged
>> and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>>
>>
>>
>> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells
>> Facebook page 
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>> Director of WISP Markets
>>
>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>
>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>
>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>
>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>
>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>>
>> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>
>> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>>
>> >soon.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
>>
>> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Josh Luthman
>>
>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Generally I agree. But none of the competitor tests, save one, even approached 
the provisioned speed. 


> On Jun 25, 2016, at 09:30, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:
>> 
>> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
>> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 
>> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe 
>> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), 
>> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), 
>> latency (?).  
>> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection 
>> at the same single location.  
>> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's 
>> the point ?
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>>> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
>>> Carolina on Tuesday. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, 
>>> SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and 
>>> Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells 
>>> Facebook page
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick Harnish
>>> 
>>> Director of WISP Markets
>>> 
>>> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>>> 
>>> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>>> 
>>> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>>> 
>>> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> +1.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>>> 
>>> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 
>>> 
>>> >soon.
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? 
>>> 
>>> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>>> 
>>> > >
>>> 
>>> > > Josh Luthman
>>> 
>>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> 
>>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 
>>> > > 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> > > Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> > > Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Ian Fraser 

I disagree.

 I can publish info that shows my truck can go faster than yours, on 
the "same" road under different conditions with a number of variables 
not accounted for including speed limit, driver, traffic conditions, 
tires, engine size, snow/ice/rain/clear sunny day, day/night and a dozen 
other things.  What does that prove ?  Would you then decide that you 
should buy the same kind of truck ?


Without the other variables accounted for this info says nothing of real 
value.  I'm not siding with any vendor.  I just want real comparative 
data so that I can make informed decisions and this is not that in the 
slightest.


Ian


On 6/25/2016 9:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" > wrote:



This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage
and one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit
set'.

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet
pipe (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day
(most likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test
rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
connection at the same single location.

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on,
otherwise what's the point ?

Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a
test in South Carolina on Tuesday.

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before
foliage emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the
Baicells Facebook page

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443 

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not
speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth
come very

>soon.

>

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear
deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340 

> > Direct: 937-552-2343 

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Josh Luthman 
Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:

>
> This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one
> without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'.
>
> What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe
> (maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely),
> duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows),
> latency (?).
>
> So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable
> connection at the same single location.
>
> Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's
> the point ?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>
> Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in
> South Carolina on Tuesday.
>
>
>
> Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville,
> SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and
> Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells
>
>
>
> Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the Baicells
> Facebook page 
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> Baicells Technologies, N.A.
>
> Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
>
> Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
>
> Follow us on Facebook for the latest news
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>
>
>
> +1.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:
>
> >I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak
>
> >yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very
>
> >soon.
>
> >
>
> >On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?
>
> > > Care to comment on/off list?
>
> > >
>
> > > Josh Luthman
>
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

2016-06-25 Thread Ian Fraser 


This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and 
one without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'.


What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe 
(maybe), Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most 
likely), duration of sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? 
(who knows), latency (?).


So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable 
connection at the same single location.


Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise 
what's the point ?


Ian



On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:


Wave 2 trials are just beginning. Here are some results of a test in 
South Carolina on Tuesday.


Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in 
Reeseville, SC. Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage 
emerged and Baicells was after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells


Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the 
Baicells Facebook page


Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

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On Behalf Of Daniel Mullen

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

+1.

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very

>soon.

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>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?

> > Care to comment on/off list?

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