RE: [WISPA] iPhone

[Brandon Brownlee]

I'm hoping the consumer version carries WiFi and a camera at least at 2mp.
They definitely go out of their way to let you know it's a dev version
still. They also state the demand for the dev phones at $300 has run them
out of phones, but then they may have only made 2 phones to begin with :) .
And just think, you can 'hack' the device all day and not have to worry
about a firmware upgrade mysteriously bricking the phone.

I'm not an early adopter of tech, though, unless it's just the bee's knees.
Cell phones have yet to cause that kind of reaction in me. I mean, I have a
Treo 650 that still has default ring tones and no apps. Best intentions.

Is it built well, Matt?

Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

I have one of these phones, and as excited as I was about it, it is 
pretty disappointing.   Very ALPHA.   I was unable to get it to actually 
work after several hours of trying to get the software loaded and 
configured. 

I am going to put some more time into it, but it sounds like the second 
version is supposed to be much better.   If this one had wifi, I would 
have put a lot more effort into it.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Brandon Brownlee wrote:
> www.Openmoko.com
>
> That's the phone I'm holding my breath for. If it garners enough attention
> from the GNU dev community it will be HUGE. Not to mention all the
existing
> apps that should work on it straight outta the box.
>
> Have too much time on your hands?
> http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html
>
>
> I've heard a lot of good things about Nokia's "iPhone killer" as well, but
> it is really expensive at something like $800 for the unlocked version.
>
> Brandon
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone
>
> I was thinking with the release price of near $800. Still $200/each is
> easier to eat when I need that many and as often (I am horribly hard
> on phones). That is what I was saying, if the clones had wifi I would
> have bought one already (let alone the 5 I would like have).
>
> On 10/3/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>  Pick up 4 for the price of one? I paid $354 for a brand new, 4GB iPhone
>> 
> on
>   
>> ebay... including shipping.
>>
>>  And WiFi is a huge reason to have the iPhone, if you ask me.
>>
>>  Travis
>>  Microserv
>>
>>  Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>  Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other
>> iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the
>> same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into AT&T whom does not work
>> out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is
>> wifi
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/07, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC
>> 
> Mogul
>   
>> look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol
>>
>> I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't
>> bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than
>> anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how
>> we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so
>> that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone
>> before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button
>> and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on
>> their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone
>> is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per
>> month on my phone, so that was #1 priority.
>>
>> The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by
>> usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert
>> systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for
>>

RE: [WISPA] iPhone

[Brandon Brownlee]

www.Openmoko.com

That's the phone I'm holding my breath for. If it garners enough attention
from the GNU dev community it will be HUGE. Not to mention all the existing
apps that should work on it straight outta the box.

Have too much time on your hands?
http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html


I've heard a lot of good things about Nokia's "iPhone killer" as well, but
it is really expensive at something like $800 for the unlocked version.

Brandon


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone

I was thinking with the release price of near $800. Still $200/each is
easier to eat when I need that many and as often (I am horribly hard
on phones). That is what I was saying, if the clones had wifi I would
have bought one already (let alone the 5 I would like have).

On 10/3/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Pick up 4 for the price of one? I paid $354 for a brand new, 4GB iPhone
on
> ebay... including shipping.
>
>  And WiFi is a huge reason to have the iPhone, if you ask me.
>
>  Travis
>  Microserv
>
>  Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>  Has anyone picked up a Cect P168, Cect 599, or any of the other
> iClones? I am thinking I would rather get 4 of the clones for the
> same price as 1 iPhone (and not be locked into AT&T whom does not work
> out here). So far the only missing feature I want on the clones is
> wifi
>
>
> On 10/2/07, Brad Belton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Have to agree the iPhone is just plain cool. Sure makes my Sprint HTC
Mogul
> look like a clunky, dumpy brick by comparison! lol
>
> I've been a Sprint wireless subscriber since their inception. Just can't
> bring myself to jump ship...even for the iPhone. 
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:27 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone
>
> Tom,
>
> It's just plain cool. I had a Palm Treo 650 before. We use SMS more than
> anything else... it's how we talk to our techs and installers, it's how
> we get alerts, it's how I talk to my family (wife and kids), etc. so
> that part was very critical for me... and the Treo was the only phone
> before that made it very easy to send and receive messages... one button
> and you were into the most recent list of SMS talkers, one click on
> their name and you had the full conversation since it began. The iPhone
> is the same way. I send and receive about 1500-2000 text messages per
> month on my phone, so that was #1 priority.
>
> The next issue was having a web browser that was actually usable... by
> usable I mean something that you would WANT to use to check news, alert
> systems, etc. while sitting at lunch, etc. It works very, very well for
> that.
>
> It has a built in camera that is better than the Treo, but not awesome.
> It's a camera built in to a phone, what do you expect? I think it's
> rated at 2MP. No current GPS support.
>
> Battery life so far is very impressive (considering WiFi is left on all
> the time). I am getting about 2 full days of use per charge.
>
> The keyboard is a little strange to get used to, but then it's pretty
> good. It does auto correction on the mis-typed words, and seems to work
> pretty well.
>
> It's also a full-blown iPod... same connector (so everything iPod works)
> and a very nice, easy to use interface.
>
> The idea, as Steve Jobs mentioned, is that I now have 1 device that has
> everything I need all in one. Is it a laptop replacement? No. Is it a
> techie's dream phone for hacking, SSH, etc... probably not. But it's
> small and thin enough that it fits in my front pocket on my Levi's, and
> keeps me 100% connected to my network and the Net.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>
>  I'm interested in more feedback.
>
> Cool for you as the CEO? or cool as a future phone for your techs?
> I was considering getting one, for the awesome screen, but was
> concerned about its missing features.
> Am I correct that it will not support GPS or Camera?
>
>
>
>  You can listen to your music
>
>  Do you really want to be doing that, wasting your battery life?
> How is the battery life?
> And not hearing the phone ring, because of it?
> Or does the ringer overide the music, to enable hearing it?
>
> Can you load an SSH client on it, like Putty?
>
> We know the full screen is clearly a winner.
> But how is the keypad?
>
> I really like the large keys on the slideout keyboards, on alternative
> palmtop WindowCe style phones.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:01 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] iPhone
>
>
>
>
>  Hi,
>
> About a w

RE: [WISPA] IPTV

[Brandon Brownlee]

I'd be interested. I've checked a few, and so far have been unable to find a
solution with programming that allows you to broadcast wirelessly due to
license agreements. Not to mention one channel is approximately 4megs, and
HD is 20megs, at TV quality anyway. These two things are large technical
hurdles, especially for WISPs. 3 TVs in the home on different channels?
12megs.

There are a few turnkey solutions deploying for small businesses now, with
break-evens set around a 1000 customer base, that will allow "ala-carte" to
a point. The ala-carte programming is foiled by the networks and their
contracts, not necessarily the cable/aggregate companies. If you get 1
channel from a company, they want to serve all their channels to you (You
can't get HBO without HBO2, HBO-West, HBO-Family, etc.). That is setup in
the carrier agreements with whomever is brokering the aggregate deals.

I agree with your #2 below, yep!

If you come up with something, please hit me up with the info as we would
definitely be interested.

Brandon


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV

Matt, I'm understanding from you that if there was a good way to do
this, you'd definitely be interested?  Is anyone else out there
potentially interested?

This is an area that I've been working in for quite a while now, and
the technology is there and deployable.

There are two main obstacles, however.
1. Getting programming
2. Upfront costs of deployment (video headend infrastructures are not
cheap...)

Both of those are not really issues, but do require a bit of scale
 I'm working on a good platform to be able to do this on a centralized
level that can then support multiple, smaller service providers.  I'm
interested in seeing if this is of interest to a large enough userbase
through WISPs to make it worth the effort in building in support for
those customers...


-Clint Ricker




On 9/10/07, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brad Belton wrote:
> > Correct, we see the same requests.  However, why try re-inventing the
wheel
> > when DirecTV already has a solution in place?  Every time this issue has
> > popped up the client was more than happy to pay the DirecTV price even
if
> > they only wanted CNN or FOX.
> >
> Are you reselling DirecTV now?
>
> > It just didn't seem to make sense (yet) to put additional load on the IP
leg
> > into a building when the service is already available from the roof
where we
> > already have rights.
> >
> Yes, but then you are running coax to various tenants and various drops.
> If it is a business park then you are putting a dish on each building.
>
> In our case, we would like to charge them for the channels, but bundle
> the bandwidth usage into their service just like we do VoIP. As they use
> more and more bandwidth it gives the customer incentive to upgrade their
> commit.
>
> -Matt
>


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RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Brandon Brownlee]

You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and
licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway.

Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Ok.  It is final.  You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect

Barracuda to license it.  I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just 
that.  I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and 
he told me they "try" to tell everyone.  I will tell you this I wasn't 
told.  $2500 later it isn't worth a dime.

I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to 
be resold.  They told me it wasn't policy to do this.  I look at it as this 
is how they are protecting their margins on new sales.  No buy back no 
resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a 
smiley face on it from 200 yards away.  Oh, he did mention that it is still 
a functioning server if I wanted to use as such.   Anyway, end of thread for

me.  I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one.  Stay 
with it for 3 years or you lost your investment.

Thanks for the headsup on this guys.  Now we know.   I hope I stuck to the 
facts with no rumor or bad info.

Ross



- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Like Microsoft?  If you read user agreements, you will find that many 
> software vendors do not allow license transfer.
>
>Sam Tetherow
>Sandhills Wireless
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I'd refuse to do business with a company like that.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>>
>>
>>> Ross Cornett wrote:
 I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. 
 Switched
 from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. 
 Had to go back to postini.

 So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a deal
>>>
>>> Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda
>>> first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked
>>> up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it
>>> or provide me service, as it was second-hand.
>>>
>>> There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I
>>> got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
>>> period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want
>>> to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
>>> update subscriptions and whatnot.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] OPEN Access POint in Legal Case

[Brandon Brownlee]

The article should be named "... an open WiFi network is no defense ... when
you have burned CDs of illegal content in your room[, expletive-pronoun]".
Would it have been a valid defense if the illegal content wasn't found in
this man's room, though? 

Thanks for the link! The links from that article are great to read as well.
Love that site.


Brandon

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Justin S. Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:35 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] OPEN Access POint in Legal Case


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070422-child-porn-case-shows-that-an-
open-wifi-network-is-no-defense.html


 


Child
  porn case shows that an open WiFi
network is no defense


By Eric Bangeman   |
Published: April 22, 2007 - 11:30PM CT 

The merits of leaving your wireless access point (WAP) open have been
discussed and debated at length, especially when it comes to law
enforcement. There is a growing belief that file sharers can protect
themselves against lawsuits by keeping their wireless access points open.
The problem is, it won't necessarily. 

A Texas man who was convicted of possessing child pornography tried to use
his open WiFi network as a defense, saying that someone else could have used
the same network to traffic in pornographic images. The US Court of Appeals
for the Fifth Circuit didn't buy his argument and upheld the conviction.

 

 

 

Justin

 

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