Re: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?

[Ryan Goldberg]

Pingplotter pro

On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:

Advanced ping looks like a winner. Up/down monitoring and bandwidth monitoring 
only goes so far to know whats going on. Smokeping doesn't scale really well

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Tim Way > wrote:

Are you able to provide any background as to what your goal is? What are you 
looking to accomplish?

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each time. 
Any alternatives or suggestions?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

[Ryan Goldberg]

We have 100+ CCR1009 as CPE out there running OSPF+BGP+LDP+MPLS.  6.26 was a 
little wonky but ever since about 6.29 no issues.  Several of them pass over 
800M  for several hours a day every day.

On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:31 AM, Mike Meluskey 
> wrote:

We use 1036 CCR's on RouterOS 6.26but that combo locked up on us at one 
tower last week (after 6 months of flawless operation).

Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI

On Jan 19, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

For L3 OSPF routed network capable of gigabit traffic



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

[Ryan Goldberg]

We too have several hundred in the air in ARC cases here in northern MN, no 
issues.

Ryan

On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air... 
 including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F 
 this last week and didn't have a single failure.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik
 RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed
 during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other
 people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that
 not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet
 when it comes to quality control and design.
 
 Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced
 with something reliable real soon.
 
 FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Spam filtering

[Ryan Goldberg]

Our hosted-services guys went through a pretty extensive research/vetting 
period when our cudas came up for renewal.  We went with Red Condor.  I hear 
nothing but good things from customers and frontline support.

Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Jon Auer
 Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:31 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] OT: Spam filtering
 
 For those of you that host email for a number of domains, what do you
 do for spam filtering?
 Right now we have a cluster of Barracuda SF-600s that are up for
 renewal in the next couple of months and they are raising their
 update/subscription prices.
 Between the price increase and other issues I'm exploring other options.
 
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Re: [WISPA] new list

[Ryan Goldberg]

So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + 
c-nsp + j-nsp).  I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and ditch 
the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup.  Then I'm going to monetize the 
writeup.  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list
 
 LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, history
 repeats itself.
 
 I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one
 sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up
 the Part-15 lists.
 
 Then it went from there to WISPA.
 
 Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list.
 
 Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe
 in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's 
 hard
 to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in
 responses.
 
 Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list.
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: support supp...@nitline.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600
 
 I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box
 think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting
 angry
 
 
 
 On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
 
  Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not
  warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you
  feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate
  concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the
  industry, then voice them.
 
  Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done.
  It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive
  criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get
  something done.
 
  I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and
  not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads
  on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well.
  I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous
  products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and
  called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG
  list.
 
  We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will
  be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry.
  Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of
  the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist
  media.
 
  I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and
  value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind
  that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has
  provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They
  have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the
 industry
  growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs,
  whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of
  time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made,
 and
  not been afraid to get their hands dirty.
 
  I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've
  been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta.
 
  I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week
 
  On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  To be entirely neutral.  We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for
 example.
  We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA.  Probably not the
  best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com
 wrote:
 
  Not sure of the reason for this Post here.  Isn't the wireless@wispa.org
 a
  free non-vendor specific list?  Is this a post to pull users from WISPA?
 
  Steve Barnes
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
  Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] new list
 
  Hi,
 
  In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has
  been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is
 not
  tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server,
  with free bandwidth and free administration. No fees or vendor
 sponsorship
  will ever be asked by this new list.
 
  To subscribe to this new list, send an email to 

Re: [WISPA] he.net

[Ryan Goldberg]

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/he.net

occasionally useful site..

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 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 12:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] he.net
 
 Anyone else having trouble bringing up www.he.net?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Ryan Goldberg]

Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? - about a million years ago (well, 11 
years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink 
amp on it.  That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java programmer?!?) 
so...

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.


Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...
On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, Robert West 
robert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi omni
 or worse.







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.



 Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West 
 robert.w...@just-micro.commailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of
 the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he
 has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere.



 New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO
 sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific
 Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the
 backhauls.



 We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I really
 wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a no
 brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good idea
 but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire
 issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been
 making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over
 having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put
 money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of his
 rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy
 for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his
 network sucked before any of this happened.



 And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it
 shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other side
 should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet half
 way, I think.







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.



 Robert,



 Still missing some relevent detail...



 New WISP uses 2.4 sectors.

 Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors?



 As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear?

 Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO?



 Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there
 could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination and
 cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to who
 has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained solid
 non-interference clauses or spectrum exclusivity clauses in their contracts,
 versus hand shake deals.



 I dont agree with the assessment that the problem is the Old Boy's bad
 design or unwillingness to change. (see below for justification)



 The fact is, he was there first and had the flexibility to design optimally
 for his need, and there was really no need for him to design for the new
 providers need, becaue the new provider did not exist at that time. At the
 end oif the day, he has pre-existing custoemrs that need him and that he
 needs revenue from, and he isn;t going to bail on that pre-existing money
 tree, that has been in motion for years. He will fight harder than the new
 provider because, he has more at stake to protect, even though it may be on
 a smaller scale.



 Both parties are equally obligated to build their networks as interference
 resilent as possible. But there are multiple dissimilar approaches to
 accomplishing that that is jsut as good as another. So who's to say what is
 ultimately the best practice. Its tough for a company who has built a
 network on a single pol and 20Mhz design, and change to a dual pol 10Mhz
 design.

 Whats less efficient? Dual Omnis each single pol, or two sectors with dual
 pol? Omnis are not always bad, IF there is adequate physical obstruction
 isolation between grain towers, and using polarity as a 

Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

[Ryan Goldberg]

Along these lines, we sell high availability Internet for a pretty good 
premium.  We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with and 
adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are pretty 
survivable.

Ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com 
wrote:

 I pay ATT $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
 auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural
 poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
 per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the $30
 (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
 to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
 for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
 poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to my
 office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.
 
 . . . j o n a t h a n
 
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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
 
 I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any 
 discount.
 
 Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
 Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
 
 I'm looking to offer backup service  want to offer a discount over the
 standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
 monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
 their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to
 our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
 they seem receptive to this.
 
 Nick
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Redline

[Ryan Goldberg]

IIRC to recover an an80i from no-man's-land - reboot and connect (telnet) 
within the first x seconds to ip 192.168.25.1.  I think x is 10 or 20.  Like 
run a ping in one window and have our telnet cmd ready in another.  I think it 
starts responding to pings before its telnet server comes to life, so keep that 
in mind.  I've only had to do it one, and that was a few years ago.  I've got a 
couple cold spares I could verify on tomorrow...

Ryan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline

I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the CPE out 
of a hat.




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On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You mean the console port?
On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Does Redline have any management utility?

 I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
 settings to work with them.

 Then again, I could reset them all to default.


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Re: [WISPA] Redline

[Ryan Goldberg]

Ah - a reread of the OP indicates you're right - whoops!

Ryan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline


Not looking for reset but rather neighbor discovery.  I think!
On Nov 22, 2010 12:37 AM, Ryan Goldberg 
rgoldb...@compudyne.netmailto:rgoldb...@compudyne.net wrote:
 IIRC to recover an an80i from no-man's-land - reboot and connect (telnet) 
 within the first x seconds to ip 192.168.25.1. I think x is 10 or 20. Like 
 run a ping in one window and have our telnet cmd ready in another. I think it 
 starts responding to pings before its telnet server comes to life, so keep 
 that in mind. I've only had to do it one, and that was a few years ago. I've 
 got a couple cold spares I could verify on tomorrow...

 Ryan

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redline

 I meant something like Winbox or even Radwin has a GUI that pulls the CPE out 
 of a hat.




 -

 Mike Hammett

 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 11/21/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 You mean the console port?
 On Nov 21, 2010 8:33 PM, Mike Hammett 
 wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
  wrote:
 Does Redline have any management utility?

 I have a pile of them on my bench and don't want to keep changing IP
 settings to work with them.

 Then again, I could reset them all to default.


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Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

[Ryan Goldberg]

I'll go ahead and plug the Opsview front end to nagios.  More than a front end 
really.  I've been using nagios since the netsaint days and didn't want to give 
up years of hands on experience, but we needed a bit slicker configuration 
methods.  It also *almost* replaces cacti, but not quite.  However, we only 
keep our more specialized stuff in cacti, stuff that we developed complex 
templates for.  Opsview will handily graph/alert on switch/router/radio 
interfaces with a few clicks, and with almost no effort will graph/alert on any 
oid (or really, anything) you want.

Ryan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 11:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

Not that I have any preferences of OS but to be fair I set up the WIndows 2003 
server once (last year) and have never done anything else to it.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Never locked up for me, I just hate wasting time on Windows servers.
On Nov 16, 2010 12:05 AM, Chuck Hogg 
ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 You are lucky.
 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:03 AM, RickG 
 rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Never, and I mean never, has Dude locked on my Win 2003 server.

 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Paul Hendry 
 paul.hen...@skyline-networks.commailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 
 wrote:

 Dude makes it much easier for support staff to properly support the
 network and provides all sorts of stats to prove issue to customers. We do
 however have issues with Dude locking up on both WinXP and RouterOS when the
 back-end database gets to 2GB.


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 *From:* Jason Hensley 
 [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.commailto:ja...@jaggartech.com]
 *Sent:* 15 November 2010 18:40

 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude



 Had trouble with it locking up on RouterOS, but that was a couple of
 versions ago.



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2010 12:37 PM
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude



 I hated it on both - RouterOS works for me.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Jason Hensley 
 ja...@jaggartech.commailto:ja...@jaggartech.com
 wrote:

 One quick thing, and I don't have experience with Nagios, but I know
 trying
 to get Dude to run on Linux for me was a nightmare. We scrapped that
 pretty
 quickly and put it back on an XP Pro system.





 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 11:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

 I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free
 products to the other.

 I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to
 hear pros  cons of either.

 What did you switch from/to, and why?

 Thanks !

 Mark





 
 
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[WISPA] making money from voip

[Ryan Goldberg]

Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  What 
approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.

TIA

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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

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Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?

Thanks-
Ryan



On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
 usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
 webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us sticky. Also we 
 definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but sales 
 didn't take off until we raised our price. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
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 Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
 What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

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Re local company to partner with.  We're looking closely at that option as a 
preferred course of action for those hard to measure reasons (value of local 
contact, vested interest in local biz community, etc).

Re qos.  We have a solid network and know where we can support voice and where 
we can't.  We successfully implement appropriate qos for customers who require 
it, including two call centers, one at 140 seats and one at 300 seats.

How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your voip 
partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where do you 
hand off at?

Ryan



On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:

 We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and 
 resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for 
 us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the 
 VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.
 
 Bret
 
 
 On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
 
 Thanks-
 Ryan
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
 
 Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
 usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
 webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us sticky. Also we 
 definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
 sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldbergrgoldb...@compudyne.net  wrote:
 
 
 Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
 What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Content Filter

[Ryan Goldberg]

We don't have home users.  We sell/support Cymphonix to SMB/enterprise.  Pretty 
bad ass.

Ryan

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter


On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 17:49, Scott Vander Dussen 
sc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net wrote:
Recommendations on content filtering software?  I'm aware of OpenDNS, thanks..

That's a bit vague. Are you looking for something to sell to residential 
customers so they can try to keep their kids from looking at naughty pictures, 
or something for small businesses to keep their employees off Facebook, or...

Without knowing who you're targeting, and their budget, it's kinda hard to make 
suggestions.

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Re: [WISPA] Juniper Routers / BGP

[Ryan Goldberg]

We recently had a chat with juniper.  Advanced BGP is for configuring a route 
reflector and confederations.  As a border router, I'd say perfect..

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 7:13 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Juniper Routers / BGP
 
 Rubens,
 
 Are you familiar with the J-6350 Series ?
 
  From the Data Spec Sheets, being able to accept 2Gig Ram, and having
 4x
 GIG E ports native, Do you know if it can handle Multiple BGP Peers
 /Full Tables and be used an Edge BGP Transit Router for ISP/NSP ?
 
 They list a software option called Advanced BGP  (JX-BGP-ADV-LTU) any
 idea what that is ? and how much would it cost ?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 11/4/2010 8:10 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
  On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:
  Any Juniper fans / users  on this list ?
 
  I have a couple of questions about them.
 
  M-series: Very good, but are aging very fast. Good to buy used,
 though.
  MX-series: The new king of the hill. The first J's I would considerer
  for most of the tasks.
  T-series: Too expensive for the average xSP, look first at the bigger
 MX'es.
  EX-series: Not that good, unfortunately. May improve in the future.
  SRX-series: Good firewalls with some routing capabilities, but sales
  guys will try to sell them as routers. Run away if you want routing.
  J-series: Retired, but better than SRX at some fail-over scenarios.
  SRX may improve in the future, as well.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB

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2811 will choke most likely

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf

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 Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 3:40 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB
 
 Are you hard coding 100 full.
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Oct 25, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:
 
  I just took delivery on a 100MB Fiber connection from Charter, we're
  perplexed at the variable speed tests we are getting.  Charter's
 varies
  from 25 to 50MB down, speedtest.net goes to about 20-25MB down and 30
  up, speakeasy doesn't go above 20MB.  Charter says the cap is off on
 our
  100MB so it should be showing that.
 
  The anatomy of our network is fiber to our head-end, goes to a
 Charter
  switch then to our Cisco 2811, then to a gig netgear switch.  We're
  doing our speed tests on a standard browser (Firefox) in a Windows
 2003
  box that has a 10/100 ethernet (about 8 feet) to the gig switch.  I'm
  debating if the 2811 is hefty enough to handle the 100MB, any ideas?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB

[Ryan Goldberg]

As an aside, the packet pushers podcast is really quite good.  I especially 
enjoy Ivan P.  And I concur that nowadays turning off autoneg results in more 
half-dup connections than it does solve problem.  Fwiw, I still lock 
redline-cisco links.



On Oct 25, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Jeremy Parr 
jeremyp...@gmail.commailto:jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

On 25 October 2010 17:55, richard sterne 
mailto:wireless.r...@gmail.comwireless.r...@gmail.commailto:wireless.r...@gmail.com
 wrote:
turn auto neg off. It causes me many problems.
I used to swear by this as well, but as of late you are better letting it auto 
negotiate.

http://etherealmind.com/ethernet-autonegotiation-works-why-how-standard-should-be-set/http://etherealmind.com/ethernet-autonegotiation-works-why-how-standard-should-be-set/

As for the speed tests, I would never expect a browser based test to reliably 
give 100mb results every time. You should be running iperf, with multiple 
partners (wow, that sounds dirty).



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Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank

[Ryan Goldberg]

While surely different crews have different practices, I also worked on a big 
tank and those guys doing the welding/blasting/painting were crazy and were 
being paid jack sh*t.  Nature of the industry methinks.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 2:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank

I know first hand that these crews who blast these towers are very unsafe. We 
had to erect a temporary tower while one of our water towers was being blasted 
and repainted. They had to rig a curtain on the outside, so they were welding 
some pig joints on the top of the bowl to attach some poles to that would 
eventually hold the curtain. While erecting our temp tower, I watched a guy 
hang on to one of the joints with one hand while leaning out of the side of the 
bowl and grab a 100 lb pole from a guy on the catwalk with the other hand and 
then try to hoist it into place...all with no safety harness or even so much as 
a rope tied to his belt. I thought for sure I was going to witness a death that 
day.

Cameron
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Forbes Mercy 
forbes.me...@wabroadband.commailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:
 Fire Departments should have an Access Point and recording device on
the rescue vehicle and a camera with audio with wireless on their rig so
they can lower it down to the victims when they first get there to
better size up the condition of the payment and have instant
communication.  No more (Hey are you OK down there?)  Hell they could
put telemetry on it too.

Forbes

On 10/8/2010 10:23 AM, Cameron Kilton wrote:
 There real question is where is the safety equipment? fall arrest
 laynards etc. This is why we have all this equipment. If they fell and
 were clipped in, it just would have been more uncomfortable rather than
 potentially deadly.


 -Cameron


 On 10/8/2010 1:34 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 My pelican clip froze and I had replaced my wd40 with a red bull,
 unfortunately it did not give me wings...

 ~V~

 *From:* RickG [mailto:rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 08, 2010 12:22 PM
 *To:* li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General 
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Workers Trapped in Hollywood Water Tower Tank

 I've got both water tanks and communication towers. I'll take the water
 tanks hands down as long as they're in good shape. They're much easier
 to work on without hangin around :)

 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:06 PM, St. Louis Broadband
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   wrote:

 Nasty. Poor guys, I am saying a prayer for them.

 I know water towers are part of our industry, but frankly, they scare me.

 Got stuck on one about 80' up in the tube and have never felt right
 about them since.

 *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

 www.ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://www.ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com

 314-974-5600

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Re: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out

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15-18k new

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 Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:53 PM
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 Did anyone call and get a price on one yet?
 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:41 PM
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 Let's all chip in and buy 5, regionally.
 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:43 AM
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Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

[Ryan Goldberg]

Bcp 38

Control plane v mgmt plane v data plane

Botnets

Don't shoot poop back at the internetwebz



On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Glenn Kelley 
gl...@hostmedic.commailto:gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

IP Spoofing can really hit you hard.
Running a datacenter I have received reports from a number of other DC's

then when doing the actual investigation I have to tell an engineer @ the other 
DC that they are wrong.

Retaliation is never a good thing - chances are you are hitting the wrong 
person.

Just my 2 cents


On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

How about the Backtrack toolset.

In the early days of the internet (for me) I would see people trying to attack 
me so I'd use some script kiddie tools to throw attacks back at them. If they 
weren't patched they'd go down. Often they'd go down.

Then again that was a colossal waste of time. It's better to just block them, 
and once in a while look at your address list and see who's gotten put in the 
sand box.

Greg

On Oct 2, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Robert West wrote:

Or..!  A rule that will route them back to themselves!  Now THAT would be 
hilarious!!!

Bob-

From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 12:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

But thinking back on  it, imagine the “Damn it!” looks on their faces if they 
DID get in only to find a nothing Mikrotik routerboard!

LOL, it would be funny to have something connected that did nothing. Better 
yet, just reroute them to http://fbi.gov/ fbi.govhttp://fbi.gov!
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Robert West 
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 wrote:
I’ve been migrating everything to a central location.  Not done yet but boy, 
have had a mess the past 3 weeks with the reconfiguring and moving of “stuff”.  
As well as one major gateway out of the “solar” status to real grid power.  
Finally!

Was interesting to watch the log, though.  I blocked every IP as it popped up 
then they switched from FTP to SSH.  Once SSH was blocked, they went the hell 
away.

But thinking back on  it, imagine the “Damn it!” looks on their faces if they 
DID get in only to find a nothing Mikrotik routerboard!  HA!



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Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway

Bob,

If memory serves me correct - you do not have a central network - is that right?
instead your just using multiple pops via cable modems?

If that is the case - it might be a bit more difficult - on the other hand - if 
you have switched to a central network (or have this in some places)
than I can give you an easy transparent bridge solution @ no cost (just need 
one of your old pc's and 2 nics :-)  )


Let me know


On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:48 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:


why not just block china (and other countries) from access unless it is 
something opened first from inside the network ?

Would make a big difference

:-)



On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:28 PM, RickG wrote:

61.155.5.247

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Re: [WISPA] Good source for monitoring status of major nationwide networks

[Ryan Goldberg]

Internethealthreport.comhttp://Internethealthreport.com

Outages.orghttp://Outages.org

Nanog and *-nsp mailing lists



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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

[Ryan Goldberg]

Faisal-

I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet backwater. 
 I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to engage in 
business with carriers.

Any input is appreciated.

Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.
 
 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...
 
 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
 more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.
 
 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
  hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
  truly have limited options.
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
  I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
 together
  and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
  other and  their businesses.
 
  There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
  However there are a series of options to explore...
 
  Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
  alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get
 access
  @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with
 lowest
  cost access ? ...
 
  Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there
 are
  3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a
 lot
  less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet
 Access...
 
  e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To
 purchase
  IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE
 THEIR
  MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP
  Transit from a Competitive provider..
 
  In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a
 Fat
  Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
  Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to
  purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the
 folks
  who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.
 
  Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less
  expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a
 GIGE is
  $1200Unless you ask then explicitly...
 
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet   Telecom
 
 
  On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
  I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6
 meg. I
  pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.
 
  On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
  Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
  $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
  Scott
 
- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnsonmailto:t...@ida.net
*To:* WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12
 connection
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average
 $50/meg as
my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated
 connections
to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 
On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would
 work
in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness
 (i.e.
farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.
 My
biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So
 even a
statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply
 to me.
 
Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
---
 -
 
*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
 Hogg
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
I 

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

[Ryan Goldberg]

Er, small clarification.  Transport.  Transit is straightforward once out of 
here (130 miles to carrier hotel).

Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:57 AM
 To: 'fai...@snappydsl.net'; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 Faisal-

 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was
 formed/used to engage in business with carriers.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Ryan

  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
  Mike,
  Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
  FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
  well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
  by
  other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have
 the
  contract for.
 
  We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
  getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases
 out
  of Miami...
 
  If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
  Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
  more
  than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
  option.
 
  I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and
 other
  Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
  On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want
 to
   hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple
 that
   truly have limited options.
  
   -
   Mike Hammett
   Intelligent Computing Solutions
   http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
   On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
   I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
  together
   and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit
 each
   other and  their businesses.
  
   There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
   However there are a series of options to explore...
  
   Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
   alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get
  access
   @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with
  lowest
   cost access ? ...
  
   Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there
  are
   3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a
  lot
   less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet
  Access...
  
   e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To
  purchase
   IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE
  THEIR
   MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase
 IP
   Transit from a Competitive provider..
  
   In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a
  Fat
   Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
   Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than
 to
   purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the
  folks
   who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.
  
   Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less
   expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a
  GIGE is
   $1200Unless you ask then explicitly...
  
  
  
   Faisal Imtiaz
   Snappy Internet   Telecom
  
  
   On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
   I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6
  meg. I
   pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.
  
   On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
   Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
   $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
   Scott
  
 - Original Message -
 *From:* Travis Johnsonmailto:t...@ida.net
 *To:* WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
  
 I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12
  connection
 (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average
  $50/meg as
 my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated
  connections
 to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.
  
 Travis
 Microserv
  
  
 On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
 I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it
 would
  work
 in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are
 agribusiness
  (i.e.
 farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.
  My
 biggest obstacle

Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

[Ryan Goldberg]

We do tripp lite SU750 series, like $350, plus the $200 IP card.   The ups is 
dual conversion.  Line interactive is garbage.  Just sayin..

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120.

On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash 
markl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote:

I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this 
card emails you if the UPS goes on battery.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
1702 W. 2nd Ave
Suite A
Eugene, OR 97402
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com


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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Ryan Goldberg]

Redline an80



On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote:

 Thanks, I'll look at that option.
 
 Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to 
 experiment...
 
 -Gary-
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
 
 
 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
 or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
 The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
 M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
 Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
 difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
 
 If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
 easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
 
 Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
 + easily.
 
 BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
 determine what models will work well for you.
 
 http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
 
 Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
 and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
 
 Regards.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
 Sorry for not giving all the details.
 
 The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two 
 (less
 than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end 
 up
 using 6 Radios to get the job done.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
 
 
 
 What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
 
 I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
 very convenient for building to building bridges.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com
 wrote:
 
 Gentlemen,
 
 I need opinions...
 
 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
 
 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
 or
 bad?
 
 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a 
 problem.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

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I hear ya.  Our unlicensed backhauls start as mikrotik, then move to redline, 
then to moto, based on revenue they support.  Not much of a performance boost 
moving to the redlines, but they quite simply Work.



On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:17 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote:

 Those look good, but outside of the budget for this deal..
 
 -Gary-
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
 
 
 Redline an80
 
 
 
 On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks, I'll look at that option.
 
 Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time 
 to
 experiment...
 
 -Gary-
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
 
 
 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
 or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
 The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
 M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
 Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
 difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
 
 If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
 easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
 
 Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
 + easily.
 
 BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
 determine what models will work well for you.
 
 http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
 
 Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
 and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
 
 Regards.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
 Sorry for not giving all the details.
 
 The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two
 (less
 than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to 
 end
 up
 using 6 Radios to get the job done.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
 
 
 
 What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
 
 I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
 very convenient for building to building bridges.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet 
 Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com
 wrote:
 
 Gentlemen,
 
 I need opinions...
 
 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for 
 an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
 
 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? 
 Good
 or
 bad?
 
 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a
 problem.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 -Gary-
 
 
 
 
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