Faisal- I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to engage in business with carriers.
Any input is appreciated. Ryan > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > > Mike, > Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. > > FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as > well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held > by > other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the > contract for. > > We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases > getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out > of Miami... > > If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / > Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be > more > than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best > option. > > I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other > Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to > > hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that > > truly have limited options. > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > >> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked > together > >> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each > >> other and their businesses. > >> > >> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. > >> However there are a series of options to explore... > >> > >> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local > >> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get > access > >> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with > lowest > >> cost access ?" ... > >> > >> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there > are > >> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a > lot > >> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet > Access... > >> > >> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To > purchase > >> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE > THEIR > >> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP > >> Transit from a Competitive provider.. > >> > >> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a > "Fat > >> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out > >> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to > >> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the > folks > >> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. > >> > >> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less > >> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a > GIGE is > >> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... > >> > >> > >> > >> Faisal Imtiaz > >> Snappy Internet& Telecom > >> > >> > >> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: > >>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 > meg. I > >>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. > >>> > >>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > >>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over > >>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net> > >>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > >>>> > >>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 > connection > >>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average > $50/meg as > >>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated > connections > >>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. > >>>> > >>>> Travis > >>>> Microserv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: > >>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would > work > >>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness > (i.e. > >>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. > My > >>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So > even a > >>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply > to me. > >>>>> > >>>>> Friendly Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org > >>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck > Hogg > >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM > >>>>> *To:* WISPA General List > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers > >>>>> > >>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up > everyday! > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Chuck > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<t...@ida.net > >>>>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. > Bandwidth is > >>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this > >>>>> business... > >>>>> > >>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, > etc. a > >>>>> cache > >>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a > business > >>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional > bandwidth it may > >>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> Travis > >>>>> Microserv > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: > >>>>> > On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the > headaches > >>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to > be > >>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a > certain IP > >>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming > from > >>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). > >>>>> > Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain > sites. Just > >>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to > maintain? > >>>>> Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL > which > >>>>> only allows caching of sites you choose. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a > single IP > >>>>> then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid- > cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). > >>>>> With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as > if the > >>>>> requests were sourced directly from a client instead of > your > >>>>> Squid box. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using > WCCP. If > >>>>> your Squid box dies the router automatically stops > redirecting > >>>>> the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web > normally. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > Blake Covarrubias > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------- > >>>>> > WISPA Wants You! 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