[WISPA] Book1.xls
Got tired of adding it up each time. Book1.xls Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
A bastardization of the last definition :-) I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of it. I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) might not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear from this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, but one doesn't necessarily represent the other. Does that clarify some? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27 of the 43 WISPs used Canopy and those 27 ISPs count for a total of 1162.3 subs each while the total of the rest of the WISPs combined (16) have an average of 1138.3 subscribers I guess there could be some really huge WISPs out here that participated in the survey that I am not aware of. Cool survey THANKS!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:43 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Book1.xls Got tired of adding it up each time. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
It absolutely does bring clarification :) There is an old saying that seems appropriate: You can never please all the people all the time, but you can please most of the people most of the time. It's been my experience that where there is more than one person to be represented - - there are at least as many ideas as people. There is never just one person right, but many are right at the same time, but they have different ways of going about explaining themselves or getting their idea to effective words. I would never say that WISPA is representing every WISP, but with or without each and every one of your memberships - we are representing the industry and being heard as so. If there are any of you out there that aren't a member of WISPA already- whatcha waiting for? :) In numbers there is strength and power. WISPA needs you, your number and your input to help guide this industry. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls A bastardization of the last definition :-) I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of it. I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) might not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear from this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, but one doesn't necessarily represent the other. Does that clarify some? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck, I think someone (read - as in very many) have stretched the truth with your survey. I could be wrong, (not the first time) but according to your poll the 43 WISPs have an average of 1153.418 subscribers each! It appears that 27
Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls
Mac, Well said! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls It absolutely does bring clarification :) There is an old saying that seems appropriate: You can never please all the people all the time, but you can please most of the people most of the time. It's been my experience that where there is more than one person to be represented - - there are at least as many ideas as people. There is never just one person right, but many are right at the same time, but they have different ways of going about explaining themselves or getting their idea to effective words. I would never say that WISPA is representing every WISP, but with or without each and every one of your memberships - we are representing the industry and being heard as so. If there are any of you out there that aren't a member of WISPA already- whatcha waiting for? :) In numbers there is strength and power. WISPA needs you, your number and your input to help guide this industry. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls A bastardization of the last definition :-) I don't think these lists represent the whole industry, just a part of it. I think many of the opinions expressed on this list (including mine) might not represent what the collective opinion of the industry might be. Basically this... things I hear from our customers and things I hear from this list can often times be two separate realities. Neither is wrong, but one doesn't necessarily represent the other. Does that clarify some? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks What does that statement exactly mean? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosm Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls I have always assumed that Part-15 or WISPA is a small microcosm of the industry as a whole. Most of our customers are not on either list... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Mac, Since this industry has really started to mature, I would not be surprised if this data is pretty close to the industry as a whole. While the makeup of the WISPA member WISP's may not all be big like this, there are certainly plenty of them that aren't members. Here is a link to a report done in California http://www.redwoodtech.org/files/CBI_WISP_Report_WorkingDraft_0.pdf about the status of the WISP industry. This was done by the state broadband task force and seems fairly balanced. California has done a pretty good job of documenting where broadband exists, that is, given what any one entity can do to document all the private business. I worked with one client to compare their results to what they knew as local market reality and it was pretty close. Heck there must be a lot more WISP's out there buying equipment that we know of at WISPA, I don't think the equipment manufacturers could survive on just the WISPA numbers alone. Given that they still develop new products also indicates there is more market than you or I may be aware of or else they would not still put RD efforts in to something they don't think they could sell and make profit on. I'm of the firm belief this industry is much bigger than anyone realizes, which is why I want to get the mapping initiative off the ground to start benchmarking things. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Book1.xls Chuck
