Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
7609 sup720-3bxl -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt what you migrated to? gino -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: What if you figure in the cost of a year or three of trying to feed the GSRs enough amps to keep them passing packets and enough amps to the air conditioner to keep them from melting? For us it is irrelevant. We would need a VXR with a NPE-G2, which already costs more than a GSR and is limited to 3 ports. Granted you can expand the VXR with additional ports, but those are expensive and have limited throughput. There have to be reasons that at least one NYC ISP was trying, and having some difficulty as I heard it, to give the GSRs away. Most give them away because they don't scale well beyond 2.5Gbps. I know that is why we moved away. Note: I do not know the current draw of a GSR vs the current draw of a VXR. But I have seen the power supplies. Depends on the line cards, but Ethernet cards use very little. I haven't had one use more than 15amps of DC. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers (for sale)
I figured I would mention. I have two GSRs (12008) that I am no longer using that support full tables etc. I am happy to sell them for $3k total or $1500 each. That is a no haggle below market price available to folks on this list. They are currently being sold by a 3rd party for $3k each. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers (for sale)
Matt, pleased send the specs on those units Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers (for sale) I figured I would mention. I have two GSRs (12008) that I am no longer using that support full tables etc. I am happy to sell them for $3k total or $1500 each. That is a no haggle below market price available to folks on this list. They are currently being sold by a 3rd party for $3k each. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers (for sale)
Each 12008 has dual GRPs (512MB RAM) and dual DC power as well as full switch fabric. None of the line cards are present as we got rid of them. However, the guys selling the equipment for me can get you whatever you need for very cheap. We have found the 8FE and 1GigE cards are cheap even with upgraded RAM. Any other messages regarding this equipment should probably go off list. -Matt On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, pleased send the specs on those units Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers (for sale) I figured I would mention. I have two GSRs (12008) that I am no longer using that support full tables etc. I am happy to sell them for $3k total or $1500 each. That is a no haggle below market price available to folks on this list. They are currently being sold by a 3rd party for $3k each. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
A GSR is a plenty powerful enough router to handle multiple FE and GigE circuits, but they are prone to failure just as anything else is. Make sure you've got spares on hand and like Dylan mentioned make sure it has at least 512MB RAM. BTW, one of our GigE upstream providers has been running a GSR and it has demonstrated a poorer overall available uptime than the 3GHz MikroTik we have peered with it. YMMV Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Hi, We just recently installed one of these (12008) to take a full OC3 feed. We had to ugprade the memory (on the CPU card AND on the OC3 card), but even then it was cheap. The only catch for most people is they are 240VAC... and they take up about 10u of rack space. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Thanks for the input, actually our core router is a Mikrotik Appliace (same as the power router). We have 2 100 mbps upstream links with the same provider and we could not get BGP aggregation working correctly against the provider Cisco. So we are looking into putting a cisco in between both units, this could change IF our upstream provider could provide us a Gig port in the near future Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Hi, We just recently installed one of these (12008) to take a full OC3 feed. We had to ugprade the memory (on the CPU card AND on the OC3 card), but even then it was cheap. The only catch for most people is they are 240VAC... and they take up about 10u of rack space. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Yeah that's what I was leaning to ...maybe we could talk offlist Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
You could also do a 6500 or 7600 with dual Supervisors power supplies. Mine carries full routes, dual GigE to the world, supports GigE, FE, ATM OC3, DS3, Packet Over Sonet (over OC3 or OC12), 48 96- port ethernet blades, and the list goes on. They have AC or DC power supplies. And they are big. Every port can either be switched or routed. -- Bryan On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. Regards, Jeff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
More importantly you need to have 256MB of line card memory on each card if you plan on running full tables. Make sure you get the GRP-B route processors with ECC memory. -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
I don't think it is possible to buy VXRs with the right engine to handle full tables that are cheaper than GSRs. -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
The only 6500/7600 that can support full tables requires a sup720-3bxl, which itself is much more expensive than a complete GSR. -Matt On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Bryan Scott wrote: You could also do a 6500 or 7600 with dual Supervisors power supplies. Mine carries full routes, dual GigE to the world, supports GigE, FE, ATM OC3, DS3, Packet Over Sonet (over OC3 or OC12), 48 96- port ethernet blades, and the list goes on. They have AC or DC power supplies. And they are big. Every port can either be switched or routed. -- Bryan On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Gino, GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. Regards, Jeff WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:21:13AM -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. I don't think it is possible to buy VXRs with the right engine to handle full tables that are cheaper than GSRs. What if you figure in the cost of a year or three of trying to feed the GSRs enough amps to keep them passing packets and enough amps to the air conditioner to keep them from melting? There have to be reasons that at least one NYC ISP was trying, and having some difficulty as I heard it, to give the GSRs away. Note: I do not know the current draw of a GSR vs the current draw of a VXR. But I have seen the power supplies. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
We installed a GSR with two processor cards and a single OC3 card. The load on our UPS went up by 1% (APC 12kva). The heat generated by that is nothing compared to the three Akamai caching servers (2u HP's with 8 SCSI drives each and dual power supplies). Travis Microserv Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:21:13AM -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: GSRs are overkill for what you are doing. In the Cisco world, a couple of mid-range VXRs would be a better solution. Or you could use a couple of ImageStream Rebel or Gateway routers for a fraction of the price. Either way, I'd use two routers in a redundant configuration with BGP and VRRP/HSRP for link and hardware failover. I don't think it is possible to buy VXRs with the right engine to handle full tables that are cheaper than GSRs. What if you figure in the cost of a year or three of trying to feed the GSRs enough amps to keep them passing packets and enough amps to the air conditioner to keep them from melting? There have to be reasons that at least one NYC ISP was trying, and having some difficulty as I heard it, to give the GSRs away. Note: I do not know the current draw of a GSR vs the current draw of a VXR. But I have seen the power supplies. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: What if you figure in the cost of a year or three of trying to feed the GSRs enough amps to keep them passing packets and enough amps to the air conditioner to keep them from melting? For us it is irrelevant. We would need a VXR with a NPE-G2, which already costs more than a GSR and is limited to 3 ports. Granted you can expand the VXR with additional ports, but those are expensive and have limited throughput. There have to be reasons that at least one NYC ISP was trying, and having some difficulty as I heard it, to give the GSRs away. Most give them away because they don't scale well beyond 2.5Gbps. I know that is why we moved away. Note: I do not know the current draw of a GSR vs the current draw of a VXR. But I have seen the power supplies. Depends on the line cards, but Ethernet cards use very little. I haven't had one use more than 15amps of DC. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Matt what you migrated to? gino -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: What if you figure in the cost of a year or three of trying to feed the GSRs enough amps to keep them passing packets and enough amps to the air conditioner to keep them from melting? For us it is irrelevant. We would need a VXR with a NPE-G2, which already costs more than a GSR and is limited to 3 ports. Granted you can expand the VXR with additional ports, but those are expensive and have limited throughput. There have to be reasons that at least one NYC ISP was trying, and having some difficulty as I heard it, to give the GSRs away. Most give them away because they don't scale well beyond 2.5Gbps. I know that is why we moved away. Note: I do not know the current draw of a GSR vs the current draw of a VXR. But I have seen the power supplies. Depends on the line cards, but Ethernet cards use very little. I haven't had one use more than 15amps of DC. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
Thanks, good input Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:58 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Gino, The answer to your question of to do Cisco GSR or not To, will depend on what you are going to be comfortable with. Since you are currently working with the Mikrotik Appliance, you may find working with a router of similar format, me be more suited to your needs (You could use Vyatta appliance on server of your choosing, or could easily do a build your own router using Freebsd etc. etc.) Choosing to deal with a Cisco or Juniper or Riverstone etc. etc. is a challenge with it's own set of issues.. You will have to keep enough spares, and also find a source for the IOS, and someone familiar with the odditites of that particular box and IOS, and yes, all of these have their own oddities. The GSR VXR from Cisco are designed to be able to do the 'lifting' that you are talking about, however how much 'oumph' they have will depend on what you are used to doing. E.g. how many acl's are u needing to run ? What other type of traffic are u trying to manage ? For just doing BGP and routing, pretty much they will all do the job, as long as you have enough memory to hold the route tables and a fast enough 'processor' to handle the normal stuff. The question then becomes, do you have enough 'CPU' to deal with non-ordinary stuff. My advise, would be to give serious thought as to why you want to put THAT box in place, as compared to what has been working for you. As to what we have been using We are using Riverstone Routers (RS8000, RS3000 etc), in some cases we replaced CISCO 72XX series, only because the Riverstone provide us a better combination of ports, and features that we were needing. I know of another fellow ISP, who is happily humming away using two Freebsd boxes runing CARP and a few other daemons. As for us, I had to remove the ACL's from our core router to reduce CPU utilization And our friends commonly uses his freebsd box to do acl, as well as some level of packet analysis without any worries. It is not a matter of one is better than other, it is more a question of how one suits your environment. (BTW, you can easily do GIG E port on a Server based router, either using a Swtich or just using a Fiber Nic). Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Thanks for the input, actually our core router is a Mikrotik Appliace (same as the power router). We have 2 100 mbps upstream links with the same provider and we could not get BGP aggregation working correctly against the provider Cisco. So we are looking into putting a cisco in between both units, this could change IF our upstream provider could provide us a Gig port in the near future Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Hi, We just recently installed one of these (12008) to take a full OC3 feed. We had to ugprade the memory (on the CPU card AND on the OC3 card), but even then it was cheap. The only catch for most people is they are 240VAC... and they take up about 10u of rack space. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
