[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement inspection. Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case. Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified products. Life stinks. So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. / Eje On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear
Please take it off list. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement inspection. Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case. Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified products. Life stinks. So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. / Eje On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
