Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

2014-06-30 Thread Matt Hoppes
Wait what product is available then?
I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name?

On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 FYI
 
 
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com   
 @aeronetpr
 
 
 
 From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com
 Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM
 To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com
 mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com
 mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com
 mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com
 mailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.com
 mailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.com
 mailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.com
 mailto:kg...@accedian.com
 Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
 
 Gino,
 
 Good morning.
 
 I want to advise you , that  the Performant R-Flo product line has been
 discontinued effective 7-1-2014.
 
 Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is
 attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the
 discontinuation.
 
 I also attached the discontinuation notice.
 
 Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward.
 
 Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias.
 
 My regards.
 
  
 
 Larry Asten
 
 Regional Sales Director
 
 Southeastern  Caribbean Region
 
  
 
 las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com
 
 770-757-1751 Cell
 
 1-866-685-8181 Technical Support
 
  
 
 530 Champions Hills Drive
 
 Alpharetta , Georgia 30004
 
  
 
 HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410
 
 St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9
 
 www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com
 
  
 
 Description: Description: Description: cid:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180
 
 Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com.
 
 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410
 
 St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada
 
  
 
 /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service
 Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of
 wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment
 consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique
 hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get
 the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service
 performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available.
 Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/
 
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

2014-06-30 Thread Adair Winter
That's what I'm confused about.
I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going
anywhere...
On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 Wait what product is available then?
 I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name?

 On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
  FYI
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr
 
 
 
  From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com
  Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM
  To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
  Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com
  mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com
  mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com
  mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com
  mailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.com
  mailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.com
  mailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.com
  mailto:kg...@accedian.com
  Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
 
  Gino,
 
  Good morning.
 
  I want to advise you , that  the Performant R-Flo product line has been
  discontinued effective 7-1-2014.
 
  Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is
  attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the
  discontinuation.
 
  I also attached the discontinuation notice.
 
  Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward.
 
  Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias.
 
  My regards.
 
 
 
  Larry Asten
 
  Regional Sales Director
 
  Southeastern  Caribbean Region
 
 
 
  las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com
 
  770-757-1751 Cell
 
  1-866-685-8181 Technical Support
 
 
 
  530 Champions Hills Drive
 
  Alpharetta , Georgia 30004
 
 
 
  HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410
 
  St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9
 
  www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com
 
 
 
  Description: Description: Description: cid:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180
 
  Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com.
 
  2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410
 
  St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada
 
 
 
  /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service
  Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of
  wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment
  consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique
  hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get
  the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service
  performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available.
  Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

2014-06-30 Thread Gino Villarini
When?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Adair Winter 
ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Cc: a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com 
a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line


That's what I'm confused about.
I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going 
anywhere...

On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
Wait what product is available then?
I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name?

On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 FYI



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



 From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com 
 mailto:las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com
 Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM
 To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
 mailto:g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.commailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com
 mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.commailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner 
 ssum...@accedian.commailto:ssum...@accedian.com
 mailto:ssum...@accedian.commailto:ssum...@accedian.com, 
 gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com
 mailto:gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com 
 gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com
 mailto:gsp...@accedian.commailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl 
 dsm...@accedian.commailto:dsm...@accedian.com
 mailto:dsm...@accedian.commailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill 
 tg...@accedian.commailto:tg...@accedian.com
 mailto:tg...@accedian.commailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold 
 kg...@accedian.commailto:kg...@accedian.com
 mailto:kg...@accedian.commailto:kg...@accedian.com
 Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

 Gino,

 Good morning.

 I want to advise you , that  the Performant R-Flo product line has been
 discontinued effective 7-1-2014.

 Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is
 attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the
 discontinuation.

 I also attached the discontinuation notice.

 Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward.

 Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias.

 My regards.



 Larry Asten

 Regional Sales Director

 Southeastern  Caribbean Region



 las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com 
 mailto:las...@accedian.commailto:las...@accedian.com

 770-757-1751tel:770-757-1751 Cell

 1-866-685-8181tel:1-866-685-8181 Technical Support



 530 Champions Hills Drive

 Alpharetta , Georgia 30004



 HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410

 St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9

 www.accedian.comhttp://www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com



 Description: Description: Description: 
 cid:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180mailto:image003.png@01CD8913.26105180

 Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com.

 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410

 St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada



 /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service
 Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of
 wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment
 consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique
 hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get
 the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service
 performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available.
 Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/




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Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

2014-06-30 Thread Adair Winter
On June 17th.
On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   When?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 10:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: a...@afmug.com a...@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

   That's what I'm confused about.
 I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't going
 anywhere...
 On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 Wait what product is available then?
 I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name?

 On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
  FYI
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr
 
 
 
  From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com
  Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM
  To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
  Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com
  mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner ssum...@accedian.com
  mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com
  mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com
  mailto:gsp...@accedian.com, Douglas Smidl dsm...@accedian.com
  mailto:dsm...@accedian.com, Tom Gill tg...@accedian.com
  mailto:tg...@accedian.com, Ken Gold kg...@accedian.com
  mailto:kg...@accedian.com
  Subject: Enmd of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line
 
  Gino,
 
  Good morning.
 
  I want to advise you , that  the Performant R-Flo product line has been
  discontinued effective 7-1-2014.
 
  Please review Product End of Life Notice EOLN20140626 , which is
  attached , for details on last buy and other key elements of the
  discontinuation.
 
  I also attached the discontinuation notice.
 
  Tom and I will remain your account team , moving forward.
 
  Let me know Gino if I can answer any questions – gracias.
 
  My regards.
 
 
 
  Larry Asten
 
  Regional Sales Director
 
  Southeastern  Caribbean Region
 
 
 
  las...@accedian.com mailto:las...@accedian.com
 
  770-757-1751 Cell
 
  1-866-685-8181 Technical Support
 
 
 
  530 Champions Hills Drive
 
  Alpharetta , Georgia 30004
 
 
 
  HQ: 2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410
 
  St,-Laurent,QC Canadan H4S 2A9
 
  www.accedian.com http://www.accedian.com
 
 
 
  Description: Description: Description: cid:
 image003.png@01CD8913.26105180
 
  Accedian Networks, Inc http://www.Accedian.com.
 
  2351 Alfred-Nobel, Suite N-410
 
  St. Laurent QC, H4S 2A9 Canada
 
 
 
  /Accedian Networks™ is the leading provider of High Performance Service
  Assurance™ solutions for Carrier Ethernet networks. Our family of
  wire-speed service demarcation and performance monitoring equipment
  consistently outperforms switches or routers. With a unique
  hardware-based FastPAAs™ processor at the core of every product, you get
  the lowest possible latency, most accurate and granular service
  performance monitoring and traffic conditioning currently available.
  Accedian Networks. We ARE performance!/
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

2014-06-30 Thread josh
I'm going to step in here and say my piece, since I believe I'm allowed to now 
since the company and product is defunct.

Accedian upper management is delusional, and makes decisions like a bipolar 
woman during menopause.

Scott Sumner is amazing at marketing, is smart, and is very personable. I think 
he did the best he could with the resources he had in creating Performant. They 
did well establishing the brand, and made decent progress getting into the WISP 
market.

I think he was fighting a very tough uphill battle though.

They were taking a product which was based on standards not familiar to the 
wisp market, making it proprietary, and selling it for a very high price (for 
wisps). They had plans to make several different hardware versions as well, 
including a smaller/cheaper line, as well as a larger port count product. Scott 
wasn't given the proper resources to do this.

Accedian believed they were going to be the next Ubiquiti somehow -- that their 
product was going to sell like hotcakes to every Joe Blow. I tried to talk them 
into lowering the price point, but it wasn't possible with the hardware 
design... Very well made, Japanese caps, good FPGAs, great board design, nebs3 
compliant... But the majority of the wisp market doesn't care about those 
things... They just want something cheap that works.

Unfortunately, anything G8032v2 based is very limiting. I realized this the 
first time I tried to overlay ospf on top of a rflo ring as part as a use case 
for a customer. The interface creation for the routers was absolutely insane, 
and not efficient in any way. The design is very limiting. We have two rings 
here at SPITwSPOTS, and I spent roughly 20 hours this weekend fighting design 
issues to do simple things that would be easy on any other type of design 
topology.

I begged them over a year ago to move to what I called RFLOv2, which I 
suggested should be built on top of SPB, with the same type of wireless link 
monitoring. This is totally possible, and would have been an amazing product. 
Traditional mesh design would have worked.The chips were available in quantity 
even then, but upper management didn't see my vision.

A week after I started at performant, I got a phone call from Jason L and 
Robert Pera. I was to take over as the FedEx Forum guy and design the network 
there. I passed, because I had just taken the job with performant, and didn't 
want to be the guy that company hops (performant also was paying me VERY 
well...). I declined the offer, Greg Sowell took it, and the rest is history.

I was told performant had 3 years to turn a profit. About 5 months into working 
there, i was axed along with 147 employees of accedian by their HR manager. I 
was told performant was untouchable by accedian HR, and that the performant 
core team was going to be left alone while it grew. They lied. A few months 
later, our marketing guy from Motorola  / Cambium was fired. He had no idea it 
was coming. I don't know if accedian did that to anybody else on the performant 
side, but I know Scott was very unhappy about those decisions. He was lied to 
as well I think.

So anyway, in short, their patents are amazing. The hardware is great. The 
software, for us, has been very buggy. We had less issues with STP, and less 
downtime.

I guess we'll be moving to MPLS. :)

I think they just believed the product would sell like hotcakes, but they 
really don't understand the wisp market very well.

/endrant

I wish the people at performant the best. Very talented. Accedian? They can 
take a hike.

On June 30, 2014 6:44:24 AM AKDT, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net 
wrote:
On June 17th.
On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   When?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 10:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: a...@afmug.com a...@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

   That's what I'm confused about.
 I just did a demo with them and they assured me the product wasn't
going
 anywhere...
 On Jun 30, 2014 8:05 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

 Wait what product is available then?
 I thought it was just getting moved under the Accedian name?

 On 6/30/14, 8:32 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
  FYI
 
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com
  @aeronetpr
 
 
 
  From: Larry Asten las...@accedian.com
mailto:las...@accedian.com
  Date: Sunday, June 29, 2014 at 10:22 PM
  To: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
  Cc: Luis Cintron lcint...@aeronetpr.com
  mailto:lcint...@aeronetpr.com, Scott Sumner
ssum...@accedian.com
  mailto:ssum...@accedian.com, gsp...@accedian.com
  mailto:gsp...@accedian.com gsp...@accedian.com
  mailto:gsp

Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

2014-06-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Josh

Thanks for the feedback.  Although wasn’t employed by them, we feel in a 
similar way.  We have poured long hours on the product.  We took the units in 
very early stage and my eng team spent long hours every week with the 
development tema, doing lots of tests, sorting out bugs and trialling different 
use cases and designs…

Well, time to jump ship

I like your idea on SPB and MW.  Maybe port this to a HW platform and come with 
a product!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Monday, June 30, 2014 at 11:59 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org, Adair 
Winter ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net
Cc: a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com 
a...@afmug.commailto:a...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: End of Life Performant R-Flo Prodcust Line

I'm going to step in here and say my piece, since I believe I'm allowed to now 
since the company and product is defunct.

Accedian upper management is delusional, and makes decisions like a bipolar 
woman during menopause.

Scott Sumner is amazing at marketing, is smart, and is very personable. I think 
he did the best he could with the resources he had in creating Performant. They 
did well establishing the brand, and made decent progress getting into the WISP 
market.

I think he was fighting a very tough uphill battle though.

They were taking a product which was based on standards not familiar to the 
wisp market, making it proprietary, and selling it for a very high price (for 
wisps). They had plans to make several different hardware versions as well, 
including a smaller/cheaper line, as well as a larger port count product. Scott 
wasn't given the proper resources to do this.

Accedian believed they were going to be the next Ubiquiti somehow -- that their 
product was going to sell like hotcakes to every Joe Blow. I tried to talk them 
into lowering the price point, but it wasn't possible with the hardware 
design... Very well made, Japanese caps, good FPGAs, great board design, nebs3 
compliant... But the majority of the wisp market doesn't care about those 
things... They just want something cheap that works.

Unfortunately, anything G8032v2 based is very limiting. I realized this the 
first time I tried to overlay ospf on top of a rflo ring as part as a use case 
for a customer. The interface creation for the routers was absolutely insane, 
and not efficient in any way. The design is very limiting. We have two rings 
here at SPITwSPOTS, and I spent roughly 20 hours this weekend fighting design 
issues to do simple things that would be easy on any other type of design 
topology.

I begged them over a year ago to move to what I called RFLOv2, which I 
suggested should be built on top of SPB, with the same type of wireless link 
monitoring. This is totally possible, and would have been an amazing product. 
Traditional mesh design would have worked.The chips were available in quantity 
even then, but upper management didn't see my vision.

A week after I started at performant, I got a phone call from Jason L and 
Robert Pera. I was to take over as the FedEx Forum guy and design the network 
there. I passed, because I had just taken the job with performant, and didn't 
want to be the guy that company hops (performant also was paying me VERY 
well...). I declined the offer, Greg Sowell took it, and the rest is history.

I was told performant had 3 years to turn a profit. About 5 months into working 
there, i was axed along with 147 employees of accedian by their HR manager. I 
was told performant was untouchable by accedian HR, and that the performant 
core team was going to be left alone while it grew. They lied. A few months 
later, our marketing guy from Motorola / Cambium was fired. He had no idea it 
was coming. I don't know if accedian did that to anybody else on the performant 
side, but I know Scott was very unhappy about those decisions. He was lied to 
as well I think.

So anyway, in short, their patents are amazing. The hardware is great. The 
software, for us, has been very buggy. We had less issues with STP, and less 
downtime.

I guess we'll be moving to MPLS. :)

I think they just believed the product would sell like hotcakes, but they 
really don't understand the wisp market very well.

/endrant

I wish the people at performant the best. Very talented. Accedian? They can 
take a hike.

On June 30, 2014 6:44:24 AM AKDT, Adair Winter 
ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote:

On June 17th.

On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
When?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Adair Winter 
ada...@amarillowireless.netmailto:ada