RE: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segmentinIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
The problem (or maybe our upper edge) compared to cellular at its present stance is almost all cellular data has a limit on their data transfer. All cellular carriers I have checked with have this limit embedded in their TOS. What we need to watch out for is the fact that the FCC tends to give Cellular anything they ask for, i.e. they can enter into a rural cooperative town that the telecommunications act of 1996 forbids of big telecommunications carriers because of the Rural Exemption part of that act. Believe me, I know the cooperative part, I live in TN, where 90% of the telcos are coops and are exempt from alot of rules until the FCC revamps them! -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:17:33 -0500 Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, but my data card doesn't. If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys themselves. Have you not seen any of the ATT or Sprint commercials advertising their mobile Internet service? I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide anymore. etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is working. The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the
Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segmentinIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
I believe almost all of the cellular players now have "unlimited" packages for their data service. Some are more expensive than others, but an unlimited package can be purchased for a price. Personally, I am not interested in competing in the mobile wireless arena. I agree that cellular has (or will have) that market wrapped up. We are a fixed wireless company that competes with cable and DSL. We reach into areas they don't, and we pick up the customers that absolutely hate them... which grows daily. :) Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: The problem (or maybe our upper edge) compared to cellular at its present stance is almost all cellular data has a limit on their data transfer. All cellular carriers I have checked with have this limit embedded in their TOS. What we need to watch out for is the fact that the FCC tends to give Cellular anything they ask for, i.e. they can enter into a rural cooperative town that the telecommunications act of 1996 forbids of big telecommunications carriers because of the Rural Exemption part of that act. Believe me, I know the cooperative part, I live in TN, where 90% of the telcos are coops and are exempt from alot of rules until the FCC revamps them! -- Original Message -- From: "Brad Belton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:17:33 -0500 Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, but my data card doesn't. If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys themselves. Have you not seen any of the ATT or Sprint commercials advertising their mobile Internet service? "I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide anymore." etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is working. The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was "terribly slow"... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how
