Re: [WISPA] question for the group
Not that I am aware of. There are a lot of challenges besides range. Sector antennas become very narrow for instance. A 2ft parabola at this frequency band has a 0.6 degree main lobe. And as Josh said, 80GHz is licensed under Part 101 regulations in the US for PtP applications only, so you wouldn’t be able to deploy even if you found the gear. But there are some countries where the bands are legal (just 70GHz, or say 70/80 in Mexico) for PtMP use. 60GHz is much more likely long term. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com<mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Stradtman Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] question for the group Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
I hadn't heard that, but that might explain why I can't find any then :-) Thx Chris sent from my moto-X On Jun 30, 2014 12:13 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not > allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman < > cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 >> ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
I could be wrong, but I thought I read someone saying those bands are not allowed to be used for ptmp purposes in FCC land. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Chris Stradtman < cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz > ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] question for the group
Hi all, Is anybody aware of any manufacturers making PtMP gear in the 70/80/90 ghz ranges? All I can seem to find is PtP Thanks, Chris ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
If you have to ask this question, you might be better suited to hire someone to complete this install, just being honest... On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > That of course would imply that the FCC themselves were professionals > and in my dealings with them I haven't found that to be the case! > > On 09/19/2013 11:06 PM, Blair Davis wrote: > > Oh boy! > > IANAL... That phrase 'Professional Installer' is likely the single most > contentious thing the FCC has done in the last 20 years... > > In general, it seems that as long as you follow the EIRP and frequency > rules and don't cause interference to a licensed user, all is good. > > OTOH, if you run way over the power limits, *operate out of band** *or > *interfere > with licensed users*, they will, sooner or later, come find you. > > Others have other opinions. > > My opinion is that the terms 'Professional Installer' and ' Professionally > Installed', have no real meaning as the FCC has, to the best of my > knowledge, failed to define either term. > > YMMV > > -- > > > On 9/19/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote: > > Hi all, > > Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of the > WISP issues. > > However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install. This is > likely to be in the 5Ghz range. > > I've found a reference to > > "Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 – > 5725 MHz band" > > > I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed > frequencies in that band. > > However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional > Installer". > > Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Chris Stradtman > > > ___ > Wireless mailing > listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
That of course would imply that the FCC themselves were professionals and in my dealings with them I haven't found that to be the case! On 09/19/2013 11:06 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Oh boy! IANAL... That phrase 'Professional Installer' is likely the single most contentious thing the FCC has done in the last 20 years... In general, it seems that as long as you follow the EIRP and frequency rules and don't cause interference to a licensed user, all is good. OTOH, if you run way over the power limits, _/operate out of band/___or /_interfere with licensed users_/, they will, sooner or later, come find you. Others have other opinions. My opinion is that the terms 'Professional Installer' and ' Professionally Installed', have no real meaning as the FCC has, to the best of my knowledge, failed to define either term. YMMV -- On 9/19/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote: Hi all, Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of the WISP issues. However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install. This is likely to be in the 5Ghz range. I've found a reference to "Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 – 5725 MHz band" I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed frequencies in that band. However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional Installer". Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling?? Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
Oh boy! IANAL... That phrase 'Professional Installer' is likely the single most contentious thing the FCC has done in the last 20 years... In general, it seems that as long as you follow the EIRP and frequency rules and don't cause interference to a licensed user, all is good. OTOH, if you run way over the power limits, operate out of band or interfere with licensed users, they will, sooner or later, come find you. Others have other opinions. My opinion is that the terms 'Professional Installer' and ' Professionally Installed', have no real meaning as the FCC has, to the best of my knowledge, failed to define either term. YMMV -- On 9/19/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote: Hi all, Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of the WISP issues. However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install. This is likely to be in the 5Ghz range. I've found a reference to "Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 – 5725 MHz band" I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed frequencies in that band. However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional Installer". Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling?? Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] question for the group
I have never seen this enforced in my limited experience. Most manufacturers have classes you can attend to become a 'professional'. ryan On 9/19/13 7:53 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote: Hi all, Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of the WISP issues. However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install. This is likely to be in the 5Ghz range. I've found a reference to "Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 -- 5725 MHz band" I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed frequencies in that band. However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional Installer". Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling?? Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] question for the group
Hi all, Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of the WISP issues. However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install. This is likely to be in the 5Ghz range. I've found a reference to "Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 – 5725 MHz band" I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed frequencies in that band. However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional Installer". Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling?? Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
