[WISPA] tower height near airport
I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jay DeBoer Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:38 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA. http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary. The NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA. Personally, it only takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe. If you do, fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
I can not remember if it is on the FCC or FAA website, but there is a tool that will get you started. It will tell you whether you can put a tower there an dhow high. On 2/28/2012 9:37 AM, Jay DeBoer wrote: I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ ) that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety analysis on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every penny. The last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause some kind of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit properly, or you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives including your own. Cameron On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA. http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary. The NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA. Personally, it only takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe. If you do, fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
Just follow the links provided by Blake. Real simple. The FAA will give you a determination and you can build as required. You don't really need a third.party. things are pretty straight forward Bob - Reply message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:52 am http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA. http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary. The NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA. Personally, it only takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe. If you do, fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport
www.airspaceusa.com is another good consulting firm that can do a study for around $200. If this is listed as an FAA public airport definitely do a study. If it is not in their database as a public strip but rather a private one, you do not have to file. You can certainly do a quick check on the FCC site tool but that is going to be conservative. Depending on how you file with the FAA and any surveyor certifications, the FAA office conducting the study will add up to an additional 50ft height margin of error to see if it violates any airspace approach patterns for that strip or any others nearby. If you submit a 2C certification letter they still add 20ft height, a 1A certification letter only adds 3ft height margin of error by the FAA office. For a site that close to an affected strip, that extra 47 feet of allowable height can make a big difference. These are reasons why it's good to pay a consultant to advise you on these points. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ ) that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety analysis on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every penny. The last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause some kind of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit properly, or you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives including your own. Cameron On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA. http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary. The NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA. Personally, it only takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe. If you do, fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site clearance. The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into a grass run-way for the airport (small town). and its also prettly close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away. I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful paperwork that way. I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport. -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
