Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX over the Internet
If you are going to offer Businesses VOIP service, try to build a better service than Vonage. I'm on calls all day with people on Vonage or home-grown VOIP that terminate calls via the Internet. 99% of those calls sound like a below average cell phone call. Jitter and latency beat up the conversation. Most often, the caller will have no idea that the call quality is less than desirable, but to the person on the other end, there are missed words, etc. If you are selling cheap voice, that's fine. However, most businesses need to have a quality voice service. There are different levels of VOIP. 1. VOIP inside the office but TDM after the PBX. 2. Hosted VOIP inside the office, but TDM after the PBX - all traffic to PBX is on-net (off the Internet). 3. VOIP from phone to phone over the Internet The last one usually has bad call quality. I know it costs more to do TDM trunking for LD or to use VOIP Peering instead of Internet termination, but if you sell Business Voice service, sell a TDM equivalent service. Why do you think so many national services, like Smoothstone and Cbeyond (18k and 29k customers respectively), use MPLS service and provide the transit for end-to-end call quality? At VOIP 2.0, QOS and HD VOIP were hot topics. People are ready for something better than Vonage. And businesses are willing to pay for it. Your business name (brand and reputation) will be linked to any services you offer. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 Don Annas wrote: The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
I use TrixBox all the time. Lots of features and is easy to setup. I also recommend the GrandStream GXP-2000 Phones. The Trixbox endpoint manager works well with them. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: C. Moses [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems WWW.TRIXBOX.ORG IS WORHT A LOOK Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 17 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
That's the one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C. Moses Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems WWW.TRIXBOX.ORG IS WORHT A LOOK Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 17 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.27/671 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX overthe Internet
If you are looking for business class SIP or IAX VoIP services, please feel free to call us. We trunk directly to Level 3 communications for origination/termination and offer tier 1 business class service to many ITSPs and enterprise clients throughout most of the US. www.TriadTelecom.com or 336.510.3800 x111 for me - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX overthe Internet If you are going to offer Businesses VOIP service, try to build a better service than Vonage. I'm on calls all day with people on Vonage or home-grown VOIP that terminate calls via the Internet. 99% of those calls sound like a below average cell phone call. Jitter and latency beat up the conversation. Most often, the caller will have no idea that the call quality is less than desirable, but to the person on the other end, there are missed words, etc. If you are selling cheap voice, that's fine. However, most businesses need to have a quality voice service. There are different levels of VOIP. 1. VOIP inside the office but TDM after the PBX. 2. Hosted VOIP inside the office, but TDM after the PBX - all traffic to PBX is on-net (off the Internet). 3. VOIP from phone to phone over the Internet The last one usually has bad call quality. I know it costs more to do TDM trunking for LD or to use VOIP Peering instead of Internet termination, but if you sell Business Voice service, sell a TDM equivalent service. Why do you think so many national services, like Smoothstone and Cbeyond (18k and 29k customers respectively), use MPLS service and provide the transit for end-to-end call quality? At VOIP 2.0, QOS and HD VOIP were hot topics. People are ready for something better than Vonage. And businesses are willing to pay for it. Your business name (brand and reputation) will be linked to any services you offer. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 Don Annas wrote: The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.27/671 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.27/671 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX overthe Internet
It would be best if these direct advertisements were directed to the party requesting the information as opposed to being published straight to our list. Don has apologized and will move any further direct questions regarding VOIP services to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone has direct information or questions to share regarding VOIP please consider signing up for this list at http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/VOIP. If anyone wishes to advertise directly to the WISPA lists then the only approved method is by joining as a Vendor Member through http://signup.wispa.org. Thank you, John Scrivner President WISPA Don Annas wrote: If you are looking for business class SIP or IAX VoIP services, please feel free to call us. We trunk directly to Level 3 communications for origination/termination and offer tier 1 business class service to many ITSPs and enterprise clients throughout most of the US. www.TriadTelecom.com or 336.510.3800 x111 for me - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems -- SIP / IAX overthe Internet If you are going to offer Businesses VOIP service, try to build a better service than Vonage. I'm on calls all day with people on Vonage or home-grown VOIP that terminate calls via the Internet. 99% of those calls sound like a below average cell phone call. Jitter and latency beat up the conversation. Most often, the caller will have no idea that the call quality is less than desirable, but to the person on the other end, there are missed words, etc. If you are selling cheap voice, that's fine. However, most businesses need to have a quality voice service. There are different levels of VOIP. 1. VOIP inside the office but TDM after the PBX. 2. Hosted VOIP inside the office, but TDM after the PBX - all traffic to PBX is on-net (off the Internet). 3. VOIP from phone to phone over the Internet The last one usually has bad call quality. I know it costs more to do TDM trunking for LD or to use VOIP Peering instead of Internet termination, but if you sell Business Voice service, sell a TDM equivalent service. Why do you think so many national services, like Smoothstone and Cbeyond (18k and 29k customers respectively), use MPLS service and provide the transit for end-to-end call quality? At VOIP 2.0, QOS and HD VOIP were hot topics. People are ready for something better than Vonage. And businesses are willing to pay for it. Your business name (brand and reputation) will be linked to any services you offer. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. (813) 963-5884 Don Annas wrote: The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
WWW.TRIXBOX.ORG IS WORHT A LOOK Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 17 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems The SPA942 is a great phone for the money (not quite as nice as the Polycom 501 which isn't much more $. Regardless of which you use, an Asterisk PBX is the easiest and best solution for a system that size. Not only can connect your SIP handsets and 4 analog sets, you can build an IAX or SIP trunk to a provider such as Triad Telecom for SIP origination and termination. Let me know if you need any help. - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: 2/4/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
www.fonality.com .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Allworx 6x can do that. You will need to get the software upgrade for sip gateway for the off site phones. This is a full featured PBX for a decent price. I believe it can handle 6 FXO's and has two FXS ports for fax and such. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Ryan Spott wrote: Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
http://www.evolutionpbx.com Got two of them. Will work with multiple phones. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Small office VoIP phone systems
Allworx 6x can do that. You will need to get the software upgrade for sip gateway for the off site phones. This is a full featured PBX for a decent price. I believe it can handle 6 FXO's and has two FXS ports for fax and such. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Ryan Spott wrote: Sorry to be off topic here folks, but I trust all but one of you. :) I am looking for a small office VoIP phone system. It needs to support at least 4 Analog (outside) phone lines and at least 16 or so SIP based phones. Most of the Phones will be on a LAN in the building with about 4 phones off-site. I was looking at the LInksys SPA9000 coupled with the SPA400 to do this but I am always leery of Linksys stuff. Can any of you lead me in the right direction? Off list is fine and I can put together some synopsis when I get everyones info. thanks! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
