Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
George, Lingo and AT&T CallVantage both use a registered service address and a user portal. I have CallVantage. If the DSL blinks for more than 5 minutes, the ATA only accepts incoming calls - not outgoing calls allowed until I confirm my address. - Peter George Rogato wrote: Houston, we have a problem, T-Mobile is breaking the e911 voip rules, somebody call the FCC and ask why they allow this. Anyone can provide 911 service, it's the "e" thats the issue. "e" is not your registered home address. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would think that GPS coordinates or maybe triangulation would be the end-all for locating where you are. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPS co-ordinates, your personal address, triangulation of cell towers to pin point your locaton. None of that satisfies e911, like the e911 that we are required to do provide to become a voip carrier and provide voip service. I say, if they can do this, there is a double standard and we're getting the short end of the stick. Why can't I sell wifi voip service with out the e911 again? John Valenti wrote: They wouldn't sell me a phone until I gave them a "service address". As I understand it, if they can't determine a location from the regular cell tower triangulation, they use that address. Personally, I don't care all that much. I lived for thirty years before the 911 system was available. I understand a few people have perhaps died from e911 not working over voip, but autos kill 30,000+/year and we still use them. Technically, I don't see how you can track IP address location very easily. I don't look forward to a government mandated system that I need to feed info into. We still have a landline at our house, but never use it. I would cut that $35/month if things got tight. Compared to the six cell phones we have for ~$125/month that we actually use the landline is a very value. On Jul 21, 2007, at 12:55 PM, George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
Haudy Kazemi wrote: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/discuss.php?fm=m&ff=136&fi=1248052 "A call to 911 will always try to use a tower if one is avaiable (even if you are connected to wifi), if not it will use the wifi network and privide the address that you registered with t-mobile" -hk Houston, we have a problem, T-Mobile is breaking the e911 voip rules, somebody call the FCC and ask why they allow this. Anyone can provide 911 service, it's the "e" thats the issue. "e" is not your registered home address. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GPS co-ordinates, your personal address, triangulation of cell towers to pin point your locaton. None of that satisfies e911, like the e911 that we are required to do provide to become a voip carrier and provide voip service. I say, if they can do this, there is a double standard and we're getting the short end of the stick. Why can't I sell wifi voip service with out the e911 again? John Valenti wrote: They wouldn't sell me a phone until I gave them a "service address". As I understand it, if they can't determine a location from the regular cell tower triangulation, they use that address. Personally, I don't care all that much. I lived for thirty years before the 911 system was available. I understand a few people have perhaps died from e911 not working over voip, but autos kill 30,000+/year and we still use them. Technically, I don't see how you can track IP address location very easily. I don't look forward to a government mandated system that I need to feed info into. We still have a landline at our house, but never use it. I would cut that $35/month if things got tight. Compared to the six cell phones we have for ~$125/month that we actually use the landline is a very value. On Jul 21, 2007, at 12:55 PM, George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They wouldn't sell me a phone until I gave them a "service address". As I understand it, if they can't determine a location from the regular cell tower triangulation, they use that address. Personally, I don't care all that much. I lived for thirty years before the 911 system was available. I understand a few people have perhaps died from e911 not working over voip, but autos kill 30,000+/ year and we still use them. Technically, I don't see how you can track IP address location very easily. I don't look forward to a government mandated system that I need to feed info into. We still have a landline at our house, but never use it. I would cut that $35/month if things got tight. Compared to the six cell phones we have for ~$125/month that we actually use the landline is a very value. On Jul 21, 2007, at 12:55 PM, George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
Maybe you've missed T-Mobiles own notes on this issue? The first 3 links sound like a fairly standard VoIP 911 configuration. Wi-Fi (Nokia 6136) http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm51419.htm Wi-Fi (Samsung t709) http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm51424.htm http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm30165.pdf "IMPORTANT: The 911 Emergency Service for your Wi-Fi compatible phone is somewhat more limited than a traditional wireless or wireline 911 service (for example, the service will not function during electrical power or broadband outages). Before using this service, you MUST provide us with the primary street address where you will use it, and you must furnish us with any address changes. See T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions for other limitations and information." Also refer to the T's and C's: http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true "Service Availability and Limits. Your Phone operates as a radio and Service is only available when your Phone is within range of an antenna providing Service. Coverage maps only approximate our wireless coverage area outdoors; actual service area, coverage, and quality may vary and change without notice. There may be gaps in Service within the estimated coverage areas shown on coverage maps. Even within a coverage area, factors, such as: network changes, emergencies, traffic volume, transmission limits, service outages, technical limitations, signal strength, your equipment, interconnecting carriers, terrain, structures, weather and other conditions (without limit) may interfere with actual service, quality, and availability. Calls may be interrupted, dropped, refused, or limited. Coverage maps may depict coverage in areas where networks are operated by our affiliates and roaming partners; such coverage may change without notice. We are not responsible for those networks and some Services are not available on third-party networks or while roaming. We may impose credit, usage, or other limits to Service, cancel or suspend Service, or block certain types of calls, messages, or sessions (such as international, 900, or 976 calls) at our discretion. We may suspend Service without notice if you exceed any credit limit. Service may not be transferred to another market except at our discretion, and we may charge transfer fees. WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY SERVICE LIMITS, FAILURES, OR OUTAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMIT, THE FAILURE OF ALERTS, 9-1-1 EMERGENCY, PRIORITY ACCESS, OR SECURE SERVICE CALLS TO BE CONNECTED OR COMPLETED, OR THE FAILURE TO PROVIDE ALERTS OR ACCURATELY LOCATE ANY 9-1-1 CALL (SEE SEC. 14). Location services, including 9-1-1 location services, emergency or other alert systems, priority access, and secure service calls may not be available in your area and are subject to the Service limitations in this Sec. 6." Unofficial comment, but I'm pretty sure I saw this same thing described in the official pages a few days ago: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/discuss.php?fm=m&ff=136&fi=1248052 "A call to 911 will always try to use a tower if one is avaiable (even if you are connected to wifi), if not it will use the wifi network and privide the address that you registered with t-mobile" -hk On Jul 21 2007, Peter R. wrote: I don't know how the FCC will handle that issue. Maybe someone should ask them for a decision. - Peter George Rogato wrote: No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access and not be required to supply e911? I hate to be a complainer, but I was looking to offer voip to all my broadband subs, till e911 hit and put an expensive damper on it. This is a serious issue. Peter R. wrote: That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. --
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Means they can either use the cell towers to triangulate the position of the handset, which works better as more towers become visible. Or they have an actual GPS receiver in the handset that may or may not be usable by the handset owner with or without a 'GPS feature' enabling subscription. The telco policy of nickel-and-dimeing for every little feature is very irritating, including how they handle data and SMS. -hk On Jul 21 2007, George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Peter R. wrote: The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
Perhaps it pushes the GPS coordinates that the cell would normally send through the VoIP call. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911 No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access and not be required to supply e911? I hate to be a complainer, but I was looking to offer voip to all my broadband subs, till e911 hit and put an expensive damper on it. This is a serious issue. Peter R. wrote: That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
I don't know how the FCC will handle that issue. Maybe someone should ask them for a decision. - Peter George Rogato wrote: No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access and not be required to supply e911? I hate to be a complainer, but I was looking to offer voip to all my broadband subs, till e911 hit and put an expensive damper on it. This is a serious issue. Peter R. wrote: That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access and not be required to supply e911? I hate to be a complainer, but I was looking to offer voip to all my broadband subs, till e911 hit and put an expensive damper on it. This is a serious issue. Peter R. wrote: That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> 911
That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Peter R. wrote: The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I did a few tests at the East Lansing Starbucks. I start the call on WiFi and walk out the front door. By the time I'm 20' away it has switched over to a tower. I didn't detect any noise during the switch, but I was outside next to a 3 lane road. Unfortunately that doesn't work at my house. If I move out of Wifi range (currently about 20' from my porch for this phone), it drops the call. I need to move about 7 miles before I can reliably hit a T- Mobile tower. The Starbucks has a T-Mobile Hotspot, the phone usually automatically switches over to WiFi there. (I think that is how it is supposed to work) Still a few bugs in the system: sometimes I have to use the phone menu to search for WiFi at Starbucks, then pick the Hotspot. It automatically connects, don't have to enter a security code or anything. And rarely I have to power cycle the phone before it will connect via WiFi. On Jul 20, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote: Nice write up John. I have Sprint network with Samsung phone unfortunately locked in for 2 years. However, the T-Mobile offering looks appealing. So you had session persistance? Nice. Can you re-clarify that you did not have to re-authenticate at all? For example let's say you walk out of Starbucks. Doese the cell phone seamlessly switch to the TMobile carrier network? Thanks. F. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think we are going to see an increase in the deployment of femtocells like T-Mobiles ... not just cell carriers (AT&T to follow T-Mobile? http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=129159&print=true) but by people trying to push content into living rooms: Today's Femtocell Headline: Google invests $25 mil in Femto Cell company http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=breakingFunds News&storyID=2007-07-20T164556Z_01_N20392788_RTRIDST_0_GOOGLE-UBIQUISYS.XML "The idea is to plug Ubiquisys' so-called femtocell devices into a consumer's existing broadband Internet access equipment to create a short-range wireless link between the customer's mobile phone and the Internet to improve signal strength. The Ubiquisys devices will work with phones based on the latest generation of GSM, the most commonly used wireless technology standard, which is widespread in Europe and other parts of the world and used by two U.S. wireless providers." Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix A. Lopez Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice write up John. I have Sprint network with Samsung phone unfortunately locked in for 2 years. However, the T-Mobile offering looks appealing. So you had session persistance? Nice. Can you re-clarify that you did not have to re-authenticate at all? For example let's say you walk out of Starbucks. Doese the cell phone seamlessly switch to the TMobile carrier network? Thanks. F. --- John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > T-Mobile launched their [EMAIL PROTECTED] service at the > end of June. > > I picked up one of these cell phones a few weeks > ago. The deal is for > an extra $10/month, you get unlimited calls in the > US if they are > made over wifi. The wifi connection generally works > with any open AP, > or if you know the security key you can enter that. > It also > automatically connects to T-Mobile Hotspots, such as > might be found > at Starbucks. Once you start a call on wifi, you can > move out of wifi > range into tower range it seamlessly switches over. > The call is > billed according to where it starts. > > I had actually sampled a T-Mobile phone, then > returned it the day > this [EMAIL PROTECTED] service launched. Most of the > places I hoped to use > it, I had no signal. But I like this new combo phone > quite a bit. > > For example: my WISP office is in my basement. I've > used Verizon cell > phones for years, based on having them work almost > everywhere I go. > But no service in my basement. The T-Mobile phone > happily uses my > net connection and sounds better than any cell phone > I have used. > Ditto for a few locations at work, such as a server > room. No cell > service, but wifi is fine. > > One thing I don't like is that the phone doesn't > include a web > browser. If you are at a location that requires > agreeing to TOS > before using the wifi, you can't do that just using > the phone. > > I've used some other VOIP systems before (Packet 8, > Skype, almost > went with SunRocket - that was close) but haven't > really liked them. > > -- > An idea for WISPA leadership: think about brokering > a deal with T- > Mobile to expand their hotspots to members POPs. > They only have about > 7500 hotspots in the US. For example, there are none > in Michigan's > Upper Peninsula, and the only one in the north half > of the Lower > Peninsula is Traverse City. > > > Some technical details: > > The T-Mobile phone uses technology called UMA to > encapsulate GSM over > IP. The packets are UDP encapsulated IpSec. The call > I monitored > averaged 60 packets/sec. All traffic was to/from one > IP address using > port 4500. Bandwidth used was 9516 bytes/second > average. Most packets > were 158 bytes (the longest seen), a few were 142, > and occasionally > 60 bytes. > > > -John > > Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let > the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing > advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current > Board is taking this under consideration at this > time. We want to know your thoughts. > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireles
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nice write up John. I have Sprint network with Samsung phone unfortunately locked in for 2 years. However, the T-Mobile offering looks appealing. So you had session persistance? Nice. Can you re-clarify that you did not have to re-authenticate at all? For example let's say you walk out of Starbucks. Doese the cell phone seamlessly switch to the TMobile carrier network? Thanks. F. --- John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > T-Mobile launched their [EMAIL PROTECTED] service at the > end of June. > > I picked up one of these cell phones a few weeks > ago. The deal is for > an extra $10/month, you get unlimited calls in the > US if they are > made over wifi. The wifi connection generally works > with any open AP, > or if you know the security key you can enter that. > It also > automatically connects to T-Mobile Hotspots, such as > might be found > at Starbucks. Once you start a call on wifi, you can > move out of wifi > range into tower range it seamlessly switches over. > The call is > billed according to where it starts. > > I had actually sampled a T-Mobile phone, then > returned it the day > this [EMAIL PROTECTED] service launched. Most of the > places I hoped to use > it, I had no signal. But I like this new combo phone > quite a bit. > > For example: my WISP office is in my basement. I've > used Verizon cell > phones for years, based on having them work almost > everywhere I go. > But no service in my basement. The T-Mobile phone > happily uses my > net connection and sounds better than any cell phone > I have used. > Ditto for a few locations at work, such as a server > room. No cell > service, but wifi is fine. > > One thing I don't like is that the phone doesn't > include a web > browser. If you are at a location that requires > agreeing to TOS > before using the wifi, you can't do that just using > the phone. > > I've used some other VOIP systems before (Packet 8, > Skype, almost > went with SunRocket - that was close) but haven't > really liked them. > > -- > An idea for WISPA leadership: think about brokering > a deal with T- > Mobile to expand their hotspots to members POPs. > They only have about > 7500 hotspots in the US. For example, there are none > in Michigan's > Upper Peninsula, and the only one in the north half > of the Lower > Peninsula is Traverse City. > > > Some technical details: > > The T-Mobile phone uses technology called UMA to > encapsulate GSM over > IP. The packets are UDP encapsulated IpSec. The call > I monitored > averaged 60 packets/sec. All traffic was to/from one > IP address using > port 4500. Bandwidth used was 9516 bytes/second > average. Most packets > were 158 bytes (the longest seen), a few were 142, > and occasionally > 60 bytes. > > > -John > > Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let > the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing > advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current > Board is taking this under consideration at this > time. We want to know your thoughts. > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
