RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Mark, I apologize for that!! I miss-understood what you were doing with them and thought you were using them as a backhaul solution - which they will do, but I didn't think a person ought to complain for lousy throughput when he chose the solution. Again - sorry!! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik Yo, Mac. Read first. I use them as clients, and am sorely disappointed with the performance of Mikrotik in B mode. I don't see what changing to a different SBC would do. For that matter, I put Ikarus on a board half the price of the RB112 and got double the throughput in the exact same spot.You don't "get what you pay for", you simply have to find that which works best. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik > Mark Koskenmaki: > > >>Am I missing something? > > YES!! No doubt! > > >>Is this just a setting problem or ??? > > > "Or" is a big word and I really think it is an "or" problem. I think you > need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference > between a RB532 & a RB112. > Were these vital links? > Were they mission critical links? > Do you have residual money coming in off these links? > > If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential > RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit > bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and > get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for! > > Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss > as you can reuse the RB112's as a "client" - - - that's what they were built > for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to > pass through them all at once. > > I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one > complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and > this complaint is along those lines. > > You get what you pay for!! > > Mac > > > > > > > > +++ > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington > email me at mark at neofast dot net > 541-969-8200 > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Yo, Mac. Read first. I use them as clients, and am sorely disappointed with the performance of Mikrotik in B mode. I don't see what changing to a different SBC would do. For that matter, I put Ikarus on a board half the price of the RB112 and got double the throughput in the exact same spot.You don't "get what you pay for", you simply have to find that which works best. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik > Mark Koskenmaki: > > >>Am I missing something? > > YES!! No doubt! > > >>Is this just a setting problem or ??? > > > "Or" is a big word and I really think it is an "or" problem. I think you > need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference > between a RB532 & a RB112. > Were these vital links? > Were they mission critical links? > Do you have residual money coming in off these links? > > If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential > RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit > bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and > get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for! > > Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss > as you can reuse the RB112's as a "client" - - - that's what they were built > for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to > pass through them all at once. > > I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one > complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and > this complaint is along those lines. > > You get what you pay for!! > > Mac > > > > > > > > +++ > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington > email me at mark at neofast dot net > 541-969-8200 > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Mac! Let's turn the temperature of this debate down a few degrees. You guys are taking a quick trip to Flamesville here. You can drive your point home without driving it into someone's backside. Let's be civil here. Thanks, Scriv Mac Dearman wrote: Mark Koskenmaki: Am I missing something? YES!! No doubt! Is this just a setting problem or ??? "Or" is a big word and I really think it is an "or" problem. I think you need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference between a RB532 & a RB112. Were these vital links? Were they mission critical links? Do you have residual money coming in off these links? If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for! Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss as you can reuse the RB112's as a "client" - - - that's what they were built for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to pass through them all at once. I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and this complaint is along those lines. You get what you pay for!! Mac +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Mark Koskenmaki: >>Am I missing something? YES!! No doubt! >>Is this just a setting problem or ??? "Or" is a big word and I really think it is an "or" problem. I think you need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference between a RB532 & a RB112. Were these vital links? Were they mission critical links? Do you have residual money coming in off these links? If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for! Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss as you can reuse the RB112's as a "client" - - - that's what they were built for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to pass through them all at once. I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and this complaint is along those lines. You get what you pay for!! Mac +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
I have customers beyond 20 miles... Last night I installed someone, and couldn't get thier CPE to associate until I called someone and had the distance limit upped to 28 miles on the AP. Anyway, I plotted it in RadioMobile and it's 22.7 miles according to RM. The customer is here behind the trees. http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/cafferkey.jpg And ap is ... I THINK... in the mountains near where this is marked. It's kinda hard to tell from this view, and I couldn't find a better picture. But, those sites are visible to each other. http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/lewispeak.jpg These pictures are taken from one of my AP's. I have picked up a useable signal level at 29.5 miles from one of my AP's while I was doing a site survey. No, I have no amps, and all but one AP is a CM9, with the last holdout being an old Sapphire card, which is going to changed out real soon. All my CPE has 18 db grids. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Barry at Mutual Data" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik > Hello Mark, > > 15 miles!! HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we > get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz. > > We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz. > > IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those > settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may > address that. > > Barry > > Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote: > > MK> I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long > MK> distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared > MK> to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house > MK> apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. > MK> The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other > MK> atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around > MK> 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can > MK> achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in > MK> ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come > MK> anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 > MK> radios. > > MK> I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the "compression" box > MK> in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the > MK> same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be > MK> "inadequate". > > MK> Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? > > MK> Any help appreciated. > > > MK> +++ > MK> neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington > MK> email me at mark at neofast dot net > MK> 541-969-8200 > MK> Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
2 Miles? That's all? The farthest we've gotten is 27 on some old Tranzeo 2.4 gear. It's now been replaced with StarOS, but we're still getting 20 miles, and probably more. What antennas are you using? I'm assuming you've got a really cluttered spectrum? Nick Barry at Mutual Data wrote: Hello Mark, 15 miles!! HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz. We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz. IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may address that. Barry Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote: MK> I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long MK> distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared MK> to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house MK> apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. MK> The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other MK> atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around MK> 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can MK> achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in MK> ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come MK> anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 MK> radios. MK> I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the "compression" box MK> in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the MK> same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be MK> "inadequate". MK> Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? MK> Any help appreciated. MK> +++ MK> neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington MK> email me at mark at neofast dot net MK> 541-969-8200 MK> Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- --- | Nick White | | Network Administrator | | Tele-NET Internet | | http://www.tele-net.net | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik
Hello Mark, 15 miles!! HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz. We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz. IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may address that. Barry Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote: MK> I use 11b mode for most of my clients. I have 3 routerboard 112's in long MK> distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance. Compared MK> to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house MK> apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences. MK> The RSSI is the same for both, btw. One, with compression and other MK> atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around MK> 520-540KB of non-compressible data. Right next door, the best I can MK> achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB. I see this dramatic deficit in MK> ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come MK> anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client. All are CM9 MK> radios. MK> I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the "compression" box MK> in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the MK> same as my compex boards's original firmware, which i judged to be MK> "inadequate". MK> Am I missing something? Is this just a setting problem or ??? MK> Any help appreciated. MK> +++ MK> neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington MK> email me at mark at neofast dot net MK> 541-969-8200 MK> Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
