Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
H. Haven't run into that yet. As long as we're showing growth their working with us. Not as well as I'd like but that's not always bad either. We're smaller than we could have been, but we're also financially stable. Nothing at all wrong with that. As broadband prices keep falling those tied into for cpe are gonna find it harder and harder to compete. What are you going to do in 3ish years when you have to pull all of the cpe and put in the next greatest thing? When the prices for broadband are sub $30 is most places? (yes, that's coming, fast.) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Travis, That is an interesting point. You are full of all sorts of clever ideas. But how do you get past the, need to be in business for two years to get financing, problem? How do you manage that on the books? Doesn't it cost you more than you are saving with the Lease terms? For a while I was doing cell sites (payables) through a seperate company than Receivables (Subscribers) for liabilty reasons. B ut I stopped it was to big a pain in the neck to take care of two setes of books, and instantly at a glance, see how the company is doing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit.
Tom and Travis. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopy threads too. :) Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, Like many on this list, we started out using personal credit cards. And in the beginning, we did make the subs pay for the equipment. However, we've been in business since 1995 and doing wireless since 1997. Also, you have to be willing to sign a personal guarantee on the leases, at least in the beginning. But really, that's not any different than any bank, which will do the same. You will also have to start small (maybe $10k or $15k) for the first lease, and get some payment history behind you. Then as time goes on, they will just get easier and easier. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, That is an interesting point. You are full of all sorts of clever ideas. But how do you get past the, need to be in business for two years to get financing, problem? How do you manage that on the books? Doesn't it cost you more than you are saving with the Lease terms? For a while I was doing cell sites (payables) through a seperate company than Receivables (Subscribers) for liabilty reasons. B ut I stopped it was to big a pain in the neck to take care of two setes of books, and instantly at a glance, see how the company is doing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit.
On 12/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tom and Travis.If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested.When I do a search for line of credit in 6months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopythreads too.:)Brian. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you stop quoting irrelevant text like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't want to look at all that garbage. :PBest,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit. NOW title of threads
Dude, it was not too much to ask. Yet people go along posting in off topic threads. To me, it seems like a good idea to title threads to specific topics. If you don't like it, whatever. My 2 cents. Brian Dylan Oliver wrote: On 12/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tom and Travis.If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested.When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopy threads too.:) Brian. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you stop quoting irrelevant text like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't want to look at all that garbage. :P Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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HA! OFFLIST? - NOT! I just hate it when that happens to me :-) Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 100 pack. How much? Shayne Rose wrote: Regarding Trango M900S-SU's and pricing, Please contact me directly. I can assure you that if you are buying 100+ you will pay less than $400 per SU. /* /*Shayne Rose*/ /*National Sales Manager*/ ** *//* */Trango Broadband/* */a division of //Trango Systems, Inc./ http://www.trangosys.com/* 15070 Ave of Science, Suite 200 San Diego, CA 92128 Office: 858-653-3900x272 Fax: 858-683-2124 e-Fax Mobile: 858-335-2245 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = NOTE: This email may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. = */ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices Wow, OK, I stand corrected... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices single was $405 at maple net. Mac Dearman wrote: OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... - --- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys
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$12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled
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Hi, The leases I am doing are less than 10% interest. Any bank that will do a corporate only loan is going to be the same rate. Also, there are no additional loan costs, fees, etc and I make no up front payments. I don't even make the first payment for 30 days after I get the equipment... by then I have at least 50% of the units installed, so the additional revenue is paying the new lease payment. :) The $12 per CPE was a high number my last lease was actually $10.80 per CPE. So, $10.80 x 36 = $388.80. However, the monthly revenue is what we look at... my minimum plan is $40 per month with a $99 install. The install covers the truck roll, and I make $29 per new customer starting from day 1. How else is anyone competing with cable and DSL? We are doing 100+ installs per month in an area with 250,000 total population (spread out over 15,000 square miles). It's all about how much money is left at the end of the month. ;) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start
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Airspan can be had around 3 and change for indoor su's. outdoors around 4 and a quarter... On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:09:58 -0600, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught
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You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances
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Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please!Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;)TravisMicroservRon Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WIS
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OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group
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Are you avoiding telling us the price?? Can you tell us? Post it to the paid list maybe (another carrot for those why don't pay) that is, if you are paid up. :) Travis Johnson wrote: I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it
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My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their
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Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or
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Where are you getting those prices and in what quantities? Thanks, Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Nice! Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units
