Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
Sounds like yoy could use a couple of Dragonwave Pseudowire units. 16 T1 to Ethernet. Copper only for you would need to media convert for f iber. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: m...@tc3net.com Date: 05/20/2013 11:33 AM (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX Matt, We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day. They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products were pretty simple to setup: http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX Hi All, Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and then unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. -- Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
Woops... I failed to include this would be over Fiber :P Sorry... I sent this CC to the fiber list as well, so that was an oversight. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 5/20/13 11:45 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > On 5/20/2013 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> Hi All, >> Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be >> transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and >> then unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. >> > > What is the underlying physical layer, asynchronous (Ethernet, including > a typical WISP radio) or isochronous (like a DS3)? There are different > muxes for each. In the RAD catalog, for instance, the RICi family > passes Ethernet over isochronous circuits (like native T1s and DS3s). > The IPmux family passes T1s over native Ethernet. > > Now one more thing to think about. If you're carrying T1s > transparently, you may need to pass the timing. I've run into cases > where the VoIP provider didn't realize that supplying the timing was > required. Often the remote end T1 can just be clocked locally, and > there's no need to pass timing across the Ethernet. But if the customer > needs you to be a timing source, you may need to use one of these two > methods: > > In one case it is straightforward -- when the physical layer is itself > isochronous (self-clocked); that's how SONET and DS3 work, for instance. >A mux for that can just pass timing natively, if you set it up right. > > If you're carrying the T1s over an asynchronous native medium like > non-synchronous Ethernet (some Ethernet PMDs are synchronous and pass > along timing, especially at 10G, but most aren't), and the T1s need > timing, then you may need to supply the timing independent of the > physical layer. The usual way to do this is PWE3, Pseudowire Emulation > over Ethernet, which is what the IPmux does; it's an option in Cisco > (and many other) media gateways too. > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
On 5/20/2013 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > Hi All, > Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be > transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and > then unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. > What is the underlying physical layer, asynchronous (Ethernet, including a typical WISP radio) or isochronous (like a DS3)? There are different muxes for each. In the RAD catalog, for instance, the RICi family passes Ethernet over isochronous circuits (like native T1s and DS3s). The IPmux family passes T1s over native Ethernet. Now one more thing to think about. If you're carrying T1s transparently, you may need to pass the timing. I've run into cases where the VoIP provider didn't realize that supplying the timing was required. Often the remote end T1 can just be clocked locally, and there's no need to pass timing across the Ethernet. But if the customer needs you to be a timing source, you may need to use one of these two methods: In one case it is straightforward -- when the physical layer is itself isochronous (self-clocked); that's how SONET and DS3 work, for instance. A mux for that can just pass timing natively, if you set it up right. If you're carrying the T1s over an asynchronous native medium like non-synchronous Ethernet (some Ethernet PMDs are synchronous and pass along timing, especially at 10G, but most aren't), and the T1s need timing, then you may need to supply the timing independent of the physical layer. The usual way to do this is PWE3, Pseudowire Emulation over Ethernet, which is what the IPmux does; it's an option in Cisco (and many other) media gateways too. -- Fred R. Goldstein fred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
I believe some RAD products will do this. We use some of their T1 fiber multiplexers and are pretty happy with them, don't run Ethernet on them though. http://www.rad.com/12/Fiber-Multiplexers/13298/ ~Duncan On 5/20/2013 8:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > Hi All, > Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be > transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and > then unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
I don't think the Cisco SIAD would work since I need the transparent T1 aspect... but maybe? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 5/20/13 11:33 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: > Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a > transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone > etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's. > > Regards > Michael Baird > > - Original Message - > From: "Eric Tykwinski" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX > > Matt, > > We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day. > They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products > were pretty simple to setup: > http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/ > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM > To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion > Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX > > Hi All, > Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be > transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and then > unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX Matt, We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day. They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products were pretty simple to setup: http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX Hi All, Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and then unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. -- Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
Matt, We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day. They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products were pretty simple to setup: http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX Hi All, Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be transparent) and Ethernet? I need to MUX them together on one end, and then unMUX on the other end. Again... it all needs to be transparent. -- Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
