Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless
Rick, The prime example is Earthlink's failure in most markets. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone? Thanks! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless
Tell him to find any muni network that's not being tax payer subsidized. I too would like to find out how anyone's getting that done. So far I can't find any muni networks that are able to support themselves for any length of time Ask him how much he's being told to expect to have to spend in mo over the next 5 to 10 years. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone? Thanks! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni-Wireless
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9110120 http://www.slate.com/id/2174858/ http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2008/12/muni-wifi-fcc-free-wireless.ars Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:06 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: On my schedule I was to install wireless on a couple of water towers at a nearby city in order to expand my network ans service the area. I just heard from the Mayor of that city that they are considering free muni-wireless. Personally, I think a salesman got in the door. Now, I have plenty of other towns nearby that want me but I hate to see another town go down that road. So, I told the Mayor I would come up with resources and reasons to consider before moving forward. Looking for websites, storys, comments, suggestions. Anyone? Thanks! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless recruitment
John Scrivner wrote: I have not been contacted and really have never heard what you are talking about. Can you tell us more about what you are seeing and who is reporting this? There doesn't seem to be anybody going on record yet, but there have been negative reports coming out of Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Diego, New Orleans, and Mountain View that I have personally heard from people working on the project. I can agree with the most suited statement. I have no idea why a WISP would turn down a chance to be part of a muni project. In my home town the only muni project is my company's effort and we work well with the city government. Turning away from that chance is turning down free access to money, tower space and opportunity. Acting as a consultant for another operator doesn't give you free access to money or tower space. It gives the other opportunity your expertise in exchange for money. Why help a competitor kill your business? For example, Earthlink has gone on record stating that plan to use their distribution network (Canopy) to sell T1 replacement services. That is in direct competition to any existing fixed wireless network from both a business as well as spectrum standpoint. I do not know what the Atlanta RFP is. Who is involved? What is this opportunity? Who is ignoring you? I am sure others want to learn more about this too. The Atlanta RFP is for muni wireless. Many major companies from ATT to Sprint and IBM to HP along with Earthlink are expecting to somehow be involved and/or bid. Without stating directly to who we are or are not talking to, I can say that we see this as a possible threat to our business. We certainly don't want to see another operator placing hundreds of Canopy and Tropos units throughout our market and selling competitive services to what we offer. Personally, I see the recruitment efforts as acknowledgment that running a large wireless network isn't as simple as the radio vendors make it out to be. Further, I don't see how Earthlink becoming a successful wireless network operator is a good thing for any of us. Unless of course one of our respective companies is actually operating part or all of the network. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless recruitment
Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I see the recruitment efforts as acknowledgment that running a large wireless network isn't as simple as the radio vendors make it out to be. Go figure, you mean we really can't be replaced by slightly trained monkeys? ;) Further, I don't see how Earthlink becoming a successful wireless network operator is a good thing for any of us. Unless of course one of our respective companies is actually operating part or all of the network. I understand the sentiment, although it is not as threatening for us out in BFE, but I do see two benefits. * It would help to portray wireless as an alternative to cable and DSL. My existing customer get this, but some new customer, especially coming from places that only have DSL and cable look at it as a last ditch alternative like satellite. * It would take more business away from cable and dsl. I don't say this in the 'screw the cableco/telco' sense, but mean it in a more diverse competition is better sense. The less of a strangle hold that cable and telcos have on the internet business, the better off people are. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless recruitment
Thanks for the clarifications. That all makes sense to me. I can say that in some cases (not in your obviously) a muni-deployment can still be a network you own and operate. I have spoken to people in my town and in others who want a wireless network but do not want to own it, operate it, or compete with the local providers in any way. They all say they are willing to help when I talk to them. I guess my vision of muni is just different than many other people's idea. If you build it, own it and operate it then how is that a bad thing? I know your particular Atlanta muni-network is a problem as they wish to compete with you. I am not seeing that in my town though. I see a town who likes to have my services available to them for better communications and cost savings. I am just drawing attention to the fact that muni-wireless does not always have to be a bad thing for a WISP and in fact can be a good opportunity if they become part of the effort early on and stave off the competitive approach many communities have opted to take.. Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: John Scrivner wrote: I have not been contacted and really have never heard what you are talking about. Can you tell us more about what you are seeing and who is reporting this? There doesn't seem to be anybody going on record yet, but there have been negative reports coming out of Anaheim, Philadelphia, San Diego, New Orleans, and Mountain View that I have personally heard from people working on the project. I can agree with the most suited statement. I have no idea why a WISP would turn down a chance to be part of a muni project. In my home town the only muni project is my company's effort and we work well with the city government. Turning away from that chance is turning down free access to money, tower space and opportunity. Acting as a consultant for another operator doesn't give you free access to money or tower space. It gives the other opportunity your expertise in exchange for money. Why help a competitor kill your business? For example, Earthlink has gone on record stating that plan to use their distribution network (Canopy) to sell T1 replacement services. That is in direct competition to any existing fixed wireless network from both a business as well as spectrum standpoint. I do not know what the Atlanta RFP is. Who is involved? What is this opportunity? Who is ignoring you? I am sure others want to learn more about this too. The Atlanta RFP is for muni wireless. Many major companies from ATT to Sprint and IBM to HP along with Earthlink are expecting to somehow be involved and/or bid. Without stating directly to who we are or are not talking to, I can say that we see this as a possible threat to our business. We certainly don't want to see another operator placing hundreds of Canopy and Tropos units throughout our market and selling competitive services to what we offer. Personally, I see the recruitment efforts as acknowledgment that running a large wireless network isn't as simple as the radio vendors make it out to be. Further, I don't see how Earthlink becoming a successful wireless network operator is a good thing for any of us. Unless of course one of our respective companies is actually operating part or all of the network. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
At 07:34 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote: John, When are we going to see some of the new CPE boards on the market? I forgot their number :-) Hello Mac, I can't tell you the details - I wish I could. There will be a new one announced and demonstrated at the MUM! John mum.mikrotik.com Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4228 318.303.4229 - Original Message - From: John Tully [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless At 06:53 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote: John, When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;) We have projects in design now, but we only announce details just before we are going into mass production -- and I don't have an estimate for that either! John www.mikrotik.com Travis Microserv John Tully wrote: What happened to the RB512's ?? Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional dollars for the full RB532. For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may be a suitable alternative. John mum.mikrotik.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tully Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? Hello Chris, You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two mpci. The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the price is something like $185 list together. They will both be software upgradable. The examples you will see at the MUM do not have the no config support. This is in development now. John www.mikrotik.com If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
If ONLY someone would build my roaming wifi cpe! It'll be THE next big thing. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them? Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
At 02:43 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote: I am glad to hear this. I am coming to the MUM in Dallas. I have already registered actually. I think Mac, Rick and Matt are all coming also. I look forward to seeing you guys again. Thanks for the update on mesh for Mikrotik coming soon. Thanks John, also I hear that Allen Marsalis is coming! Here are the detailed descriptions of the Mesh Hotspot System (MHS) presentations: --- Large Hotspot Systems, MESH, and Solar Powered RouterBOARDs, by Brian Vargyas (Concourse Communication) About the speaker: Brian has been in the wireless Internet business for more than seven years and has a degree in electrical engineering. He manages hotspot systems for Concourse Communications at major airports in the US and Canada (including Chicago O'Hare, Detroit, JFK, and a number of others). Wireless roaming with WDS and MESH, by Uldis Cernevskis (MikroTik) About the speaker: Uldis has been working as a wireless support specialist at MikroTik for six years. He supports a number of customers that are installing wireless MESH systems. --- Just in today, I have an update on the MUM!!! Butch Evans will give a presenation on VPNs and selling VPN services to customers. --- Application of VPN Technology with Mikrotik by Butch Evans * PPtP vs IPSEC * Selling VPN to business customers * Using VPN to simplify network security About the speaker: Butch Evans (formerly of BPS Networks) has been an ISP since 1995. Butch used the Mikrotik RouterOS to build out a network that served several hundred high speed users. Mikrotik RouterOS was an essential part of the network design, serving as firewall, QOS, VPN concentrator, APs and backbone routers. Currently, Butch is working full time as a network consultant. Butch has developed a training seminar for Mikrotik's RouterOS, which is taught 3-4 times per year across the US. --- and details of another on bonding: --- Bonding, Load Balancing, and Failover with MikroTik Practical examples and configurations for: - multiple DSL lines - multiple Wireless interfaces - multiple VLANs and EoIP tunnels May 5th, 11AM - by MikroTik staff --- John www.mikrotik.com Cheers, Scriv John Tully wrote: Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com At 06:16 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote: Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them? Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless
Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless
At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? Hello Chris, You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two mpci. The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the price is something like $185 list together. They will both be software upgradable. The examples you will see at the MUM do not have the no config support. This is in development now. John www.mikrotik.com If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless
What happened to the RB512's ?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tully Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? Hello Chris, You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two mpci. The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the price is something like $185 list together. They will both be software upgradable. The examples you will see at the MUM do not have the no config support. This is in development now. John www.mikrotik.com If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless
What happened to the RB512's ?? Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional dollars for the full RB532. For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may be a suitable alternative. John mum.mikrotik.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tully Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? Hello Chris, You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two mpci. The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the price is something like $185 list together. They will both be software upgradable. The examples you will see at the MUM do not have the no config support. This is in development now. John www.mikrotik.com If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
John, When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;) Travis Microserv John Tully wrote: What happened to the RB512's ?? Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional dollars for the full RB532. For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may be a suitable alternative. John mum.mikrotik.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tully Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? Hello Chris, You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two mpci. The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the price is something like $185 list together. They will both be software upgradable. The examples you will see at the MUM do not have the no config support. This is in development now. John www.mikrotik.com If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
At 06:53 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote: John, When will we see something with a little more CPU power in an RB style configuration? 800mhz would be nice. ;) We have projects in design now, but we only announce details just before we are going into mass production -- and I don't have an estimate for that either! John www.mikrotik.com Travis Microserv John Tully wrote: What happened to the RB512's ?? Not enough demand, it seems that people are happy to pay the additional dollars for the full RB532. For those that used the RB512, the RB112 may be a suitable alternative. John mum.mikrotik.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tully Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless At 01:39 PM 3/23/2006, you wrote: Have you released any pricing for a 2 and 3 radio system? Hello Chris, You can current buy the RB112 for $99 list price -- one Ethernet and two mpci. The RB532 with the RB502 has four mpci and three Eth -- I guess the price is something like $185 list together. They will both be software upgradable. The examples you will see at the MUM do not have the no config support. This is in development now. John www.mikrotik.com If I could add a word based on experience with more expensive systems- more control is better. An easy or auto install system needs to give the provider every option to inject control at every level. Lots of monitoring stats on both link and service side are great also. Thanks Chris Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them? Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
http://localtechwire.com/article.cfm?u=13558 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
Hello John, MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for local and a radio (or more) for backbone. This will enable WISP to compete better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems. You will hear more about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com . John www.mikrotik.com At 06:16 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote: Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them? Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
Congradulations Matt. What you demonstrated is exactly the message that WISPs need to send to their community and Munis. That there is benefit to partner with your local WISP that already has coverage and backbones, instead of duplicating, competing and interfering with them. No Provider will want to interfere with their own backbone provider, which incourages a long term cooperative relationship with the existing WISP partner for mutual benefit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Muni wireless I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
The real test for us will come when Atlanta releases its RFP, which is widely expected to be won by Earthlink. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Congradulations Matt. What you demonstrated is exactly the message that WISPs need to send to their community and Munis. That there is benefit to partner with your local WISP that already has coverage and backbones, instead of duplicating, competing and interfering with them. No Provider will want to interfere with their own backbone provider, which incourages a long term cooperative relationship with the existing WISP partner for mutual benefit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Muni wireless I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
I tried to work with the City here but they wanted to do it all themselves. Well, Im thinking by the progress they have made so far they might have something worthwhile in the next few years, maybe. It reminds me of when I first started my wireless business many years ago. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless You are absolutely right John. I can't list all the cities we are doing Public Safety projects for right now, but we are starting to light up the city of Gilroy CA. A lot of dollars are being spent on projects in the name of Public Safety, especially to allow Emergency Services to be able to remotely access network resources. The next thing on the radar is providing Internet access. If the WISP gets there early, he can be a part of the solution. If the WISP isn't there, the city will go ahead and do it anyway. John Thomas -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 08:16 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe they will pay you to build their network for them? Scriv Matt Liotta wrote: I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for details on the announcement. What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have an interest in wireless. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
Congratulations, Matt. Any comments/suggestions for dealing with municipal governments? How does the process differ from deals with businesses?Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless
In this case, GTS is the company who is dealing with the City of Rome and won the deal. We simply convinced the integrator that we were the best option for providing backhaul. -Matt Dylan Oliver wrote: Congratulations, Matt. Any comments/suggestions for dealing with municipal governments? How does the process differ from deals with businesses? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
