Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
Tom, that $40 SBC should be a old CB3 from the junk pile. We now call them power pingers From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP Its tough to find Low cost DC inverter equipment that supports built-in IP. Triplite makes an excellent line of Inverters, and they are affordable. (come in 12v mailto:1...@v , 24V, and 48V), and can handle high amerage charging and near unlimited load. The problem is that these do NOT support IP type intelligence. There is a physical port that can show some INverter detail, such as when running on battery or not. But this is a physical port that basically send voltage over one of the pins to state the condition. It actually has a remote physical LED block that can plug into that port. IF someone took the time, they could make an adapter to connect that port to a computers or SBC's serial or parallel port and write a small program to read the pin voltage (on or off), and then use the SBC's SNMP or something to enable the power state to be polled. ONe way to get data on power outages is to plug a small $40 SBC bypassing the Batteries directly to the AC, then if that device is no longer pingable, you know no power is there. Anyway, I use the Triplites now, but I as well, am looking for something of similar spec quality that has IP built-in, to simplify and improve remote monitoring. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David Sovereen mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP With nearly all of our equipment being 24V DC, is anyone running their sites off of batteries connected to an AC battery charger? I'm envisioning something like a solar setup, but instead of using solar panels to charge the batteries, you use an AC-powered battery charger. This would eliminate the AC to DC to AC to DC conversion that a typical UPS setup would introduce, making the efficiency far better and the run-times far longer. I'm thinking I would like to do this (I need to revamp our UPSes everywhere anyway) but am not sure of what pieces and parts I need or if this is a terrible idea that I should run away from. Dave == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Sadly. My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store. Salvaged the EXIT sign. 2 6v batteries and charging/switch board. I live a strange life. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com http://www.unwiredwest.com/ - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
You might want to talk to the manufacturers of the charge controller and the power supply about this. One issue that could come up is when the charge controller is charging in bulk (current) mode, the DC power supply will see this as a short and either a) blow a fuse if it doesn't have over-current protection, or b) simply shut off if it has simple over-current protection, or c) supply a set current level if it has advanced over-current protection. Obviously situations a and b would leave you dead in the water, but situation c is a plausible option if you spec the power supply appropriately. Frank Aquino Snappy Internet Telecom Kristian Hoffmann wrote: My thought was to just use an industrial DC power supply to feed the solar inputs on the charge controller. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
We are doing this with our old CB3 and RB110 boards. I am actually turning on the 2.4ghz AP mode, so that our techs can get online through them without having to plug into the network. All of our APs are switching to 10mhz channels and the laptops can't just hop on them anymore! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 9/1/2010 11:44 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Tom, that $40 SBC should be a old CB3 from the junk pile. We now call them power pingers *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom DeReggi *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP Its tough to find Low cost DC inverter equipment that supports built-in IP. Triplite makes an excellent line of Inverters, and they are affordable. (come in 12v mailto:1...@v, 24V, and 48V), and can handle high amerage charging and near unlimited load. The problem is that these do NOT support IP type intelligence. There is a physical port that can show some INverter detail, such as when running on battery or not. But this is a physical port that basically send voltage over one of the pins to state the condition. It actually has a remote physical LED block that can plug into that port. IF someone took the time, they could make an adapter to connect that port to a computers or SBC's serial or parallel port and write a small program to read the pin voltage (on or off), and then use the SBC's SNMP or something to enable the power state to be polled. ONe way to get data on power outages is to plug a small $40 SBC bypassing the Batteries directly to the AC, then if that device is no longer pingable, you know no power is there. Anyway, I use the Triplites now, but I as well, am looking for something of similar spec quality that has IP built-in, to simplify and improve remote monitoring. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* David Sovereen mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP With nearly all of our equipment being 24V DC, is anyone running their sites off of batteries connected to an AC battery charger? I'm envisioning something like a solar setup, but instead of using solar panels to charge the batteries, you use an AC-powered battery charger. This would eliminate the AC to DC to AC to DC conversion that a typical UPS setup would introduce, making the efficiency far better and the run-times far longer. I'm thinking I would like to do this (I need to revamp our UPSes everywhere anyway) but am not sure of what pieces and parts I need or if this is a terrible idea that I should run away from. Dave == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Sadly. My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store. Salvaged the EXIT sign. 2 6v batteries and charging/switch board. I live a strange life. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com http://www.unwiredwest.com/ - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
I have one, has 2 12 volt deep cycle batteries in parallel purchased for cheap from the great Satan, Wal-Mart. Use a small 15 buck maintain charger for each. Tip.. They have a 18 month no pro-rate warranty. Close to 18 months you could accidentally drop it a few times to knock the cells around then you get the bonus.. New battery. Not that I would condone such a thing. But I would. And possibly have. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP With nearly all of our equipment being 24V DC, is anyone running their sites off of batteries connected to an AC battery charger? I'm envisioning something like a solar setup, but instead of using solar panels to charge the batteries, you use an AC-powered battery charger. This would eliminate the AC to DC to AC to DC conversion that a typical UPS setup would introduce, making the efficiency far better and the run-times far longer. I'm thinking I would like to do this (I need to revamp our UPSes everywhere anyway) but am not sure of what pieces and parts I need or if this is a terrible idea that I should run away from. Dave == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Sadly. My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store. Salvaged the EXIT sign. 2 6v batteries and charging/switch board. I live a strange life. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com http://www.unwiredwest.com/ - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
Sadly. My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store. Salvaged the EXIT sign. 2 6v batteries and charging/switch board. I live a strange life. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro. -Paul On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the price. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, A... -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
We do tripp lite SU750 series, like $350, plus the $200 IP card. The ups is dual conversion. Line interactive is garbage. Just sayin.. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.netmailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, A... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP
Good link. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Refurbups.com has them at 300 bucks, a 961x on ebay is 120. On Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, A... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
