Re: [WISPA] muddy frog
I have sort of enjoyed this thread - BUT, here you launch off into something you know nothing about. Chuck McCown is the general manager (And I suspect part owner) of Beehive telephone. The CEO of Beehive is Art Brothers -and a better telecom businessman I don't think you will ever find. I suspect if Chuck has grown to the level of responsiblity he has with Beehive, he is just about as smart as Art, and knows that they are not looking to be a monopoly, but rather to provide reliable telecommunications products to their users. Moreso, their battles with big brother have been well documented, and make for very interesting reading. Check them out for yourself at http://www.beehive.net/lastword.html I really love May 1999, and the Catenary. In another article, that I cannot find right now, it came down. I really wish I had a picture of that Catenary, and some of that wire. Go great in the museum we are planning. Anyway, my point, those folks are what you wish you could be. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] muddy frog > Wondering why someone would start 28 businesses. > > But, whatever the case, I think I grasp the relevant facts here... > > There's a few people here who have Rockefeller envy... they want to be > 'titans of industry" and to them, that means playing in the sandbox with > public money, high roller financing, and the list goes on. > > And the easiest way, is to convince the government to fund them. > > And you, then, are my political enemy. I am sick and tired of my tax > dollars going to buy this or that, or to fund the dreams of elected folks > who campaign for re-election by saying "I brought you (insert favorite > service here)". I am old school. Let the people meet the needs of each > other, and if there's a disagreement, work it out. We don't need Big > Brother in this. I'll bet just about every one of you has said this. > But, > I remember the chorus of hope when someone started talking about getting > USF > funding coming their way. let me guess, you hate your taxes wasted, but > love it when someone else's wasted taxes come your way and into YOUR > pocket... > > I don't want any federal funding, state funding. I don't want "utility" > status. I want to provide the services that people need, evolve with the > times, and I'm in this for the long term. 30 years, minimum. I have no > wish to be in a regulatory straightjacket, or have my prices set by > someone > else, nor have the services I offer restricted, mandated, or otherwise > demanded by some meddlesome idiot who is otherwise incapable of earning a > living except by rising to the level of utter incompetence (government). > > And I want to be left the hell alone.I don't have any fear of > competition, technological change, or obsolescence.I can handle those > things just fine. > > But, apparently, this is not the "dream" of the folks here. Somehow that > dream involves status, power, recognition, and some ego-stroking. And > public money and apparently, a feeling of not "being there" yet because > you > haven't gotten enough status to be on par with AT&T or ComCast with the > big > boys in DC. > > I did believe in WISPA when it started, I once was a paid member, because > it > seemed we all had the same dream at one time. I'm still exactly who i was > I > started. But someone, somewhere, got a "taste" of something they think > is > more exciting or something, and now they're running the show. Well, the > "big boys" don't c are about you right now. But if you play the game > long > enough, they will. And you will disappear as quickly as you came... and > sadly, you'll take down the rest of us with you when you flame out playing > the political game. The thing about playing with fire in DC, is that you > will get burned. I am not interested in playing with fire. I want it > out. > I want to be left alone. I want the FCC, the state, the PUC, etc, the > hell > away from me. > > No wonder I threaten and annoy you. Simple entrepreneurism isn't > compatible with dreams of bing one of the titans of industry. > > Ahh, well, what can I say. WISPA's co-opted and orindary Joe's aren't > getting it back any time soon. > > Good luck. And some day when you're really needing those guys with the > determination and guts, instead of the quick buck artists...
Re: [WISPA] muddy frog
OMG. What freakin rock did you crawl out from under?? Do the list a favor and crawl back under it. If you need help lifting the rock up...let me know. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:45:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] muddy frog Wondering why someone would start 28 businesses. But, whatever the case, I think I grasp the relevant facts here... There's a few people here who have Rockefeller envy... they want to be 'titans of industry" and to them, that means playing in the sandbox with public money, high roller financing, and the list goes on. And the easiest way, is to convince the government to fund them. And you, then, are my political enemy. I am sick and tired of my tax dollars going to buy this or that, or to fund the dreams of elected folks who campaign for re-election by saying "I brought you (insert favorite service here)". I am old school. Let the people meet the needs of each other, and if there's a disagreement, work it out. We don't need Big Brother in this. I'll bet just about every one of you has said this. But, I remember the chorus of hope when someone started talking about getting USF funding coming their way. let me guess, you hate your taxes wasted, but love it when someone else's wasted taxes come your way and into YOUR pocket... I don't want any federal funding, state funding. I don't want "utility" status. I want to provide the services that people need, evolve with the times, and I'm in this for the long term. 30 years, minimum. I have no wish to be in a regulatory straightjacket, or have my prices set by someone else, nor have the services I offer restricted, mandated, or otherwise demanded by some meddlesome idiot who is otherwise incapable of earning a living except by rising to the level of utter incompetence (government). And I want to be left the hell alone.I don't have any fear of competition, technological change, or obsolescence.I can handle those things just fine. But, apparently, this is not the "dream" of the folks here. Somehow that dream involves status, power, recognition, and some ego-stroking. And public money and apparently, a feeling of not "being there" yet because you haven't gotten enough status to be on par with AT&T or ComCast with the big boys in DC. I did believe in WISPA when it started, I once was a paid member, because it seemed we all had the same dream at one time. I'm still exactly who i was I started. But someone, somewhere, got a "taste" of something they think is more exciting or something, and now they're running the show. Well, the "big boys" don't c are about you right now. But if you play the game long enough, they will. And you will disappear as quickly as you came... and sadly, you'll take down the rest of us with you when you flame out playing the political game. The thing about playing with fire in DC, is that you will get burned. I am not interested in playing with fire. I want it out. I want to be left alone. I want the FCC, the state, the PUC, etc, the hell away from me. No wonder I threaten and annoy you. Simple entrepreneurism isn't compatible with dreams of bing one of the titans of industry. Ahh, well, what can I say. WISPA's co-opted and orindary Joe's aren't getting it back any time soon. Good luck. And some day when you're really needing those guys with the determination and guts, instead of the quick buck artists... We'll all still be around, quietly doing our thing. And a few will be left to say "I told you so". I'll just stay out of the conversation... but you all had better have it. And the question for that conversation is: What kind of business do you want to be in? What is the nature, style, and character of the business you want to be in? There's lots of you still here that were pioneers. You started when nobody had heard of 'wireless internet' and you branded it yourself and made your own market. You suffered through the teething and breaking in of a new notion and you learned through all the trial and error along the way. You probably recall the struggle to pay the VISA with the mastercard and wondering how to pay for the CPE coming in COD. And you remember what it was like when you worked a 22 hour day because that's what it took to get something done and things back up and going. Do you want to be next McDonald's "common commodity" controlled by rules and choices made over your head... If so, these folks have great ideas for getting you what you want. If not, then you gotta fight on your hands sooner or later. Of course, the easier fight is now, but the co
Re: [WISPA] muddy frog
You are correct. I apologize. - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] muddy frog > Why don't you Not. I have enough junk mail don't need that as well. If > muddy and chuck have issues cant they be aired elsewhere then this list. > I > have yet to see one exchange between these two that have been valuable to > my > business. I need positive help and advice not back biting and my dog is > better than your dog messages. Do this bantering off list. > > Steve Barnes > Executive Manager > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > (765)584-2288 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] muddy frog
Wondering why someone would start 28 businesses. But, whatever the case, I think I grasp the relevant facts here... There's a few people here who have Rockefeller envy... they want to be 'titans of industry" and to them, that means playing in the sandbox with public money, high roller financing, and the list goes on. And the easiest way, is to convince the government to fund them. And you, then, are my political enemy. I am sick and tired of my tax dollars going to buy this or that, or to fund the dreams of elected folks who campaign for re-election by saying "I brought you (insert favorite service here)". I am old school. Let the people meet the needs of each other, and if there's a disagreement, work it out. We don't need Big Brother in this. I'll bet just about every one of you has said this. But, I remember the chorus of hope when someone started talking about getting USF funding coming their way. let me guess, you hate your taxes wasted, but love it when someone else's wasted taxes come your way and into YOUR pocket... I don't want any federal funding, state funding. I don't want "utility" status. I want to provide the services that people need, evolve with the times, and I'm in this for the long term. 30 years, minimum. I have no wish to be in a regulatory straightjacket, or have my prices set by someone else, nor have the services I offer restricted, mandated, or otherwise demanded by some meddlesome idiot who is otherwise incapable of earning a living except by rising to the level of utter incompetence (government). And I want to be left the hell alone.I don't have any fear of competition, technological change, or obsolescence.I can handle those things just fine. But, apparently, this is not the "dream" of the folks here. Somehow that dream involves status, power, recognition, and some ego-stroking. And public money and apparently, a feeling of not "being there" yet because you haven't gotten enough status to be on par with AT&T or ComCast with the big boys in DC. I did believe in WISPA when it started, I once was a paid member, because it seemed we all had the same dream at one time. I'm still exactly who i was I started. But someone, somewhere, got a "taste" of something they think is more exciting or something, and now they're running the show. Well, the "big boys" don't c are about you right now. But if you play the game long enough, they will. And you will disappear as quickly as you came... and sadly, you'll take down the rest of us with you when you flame out playing the political game. The thing about playing with fire in DC, is that you will get burned. I am not interested in playing with fire. I want it out. I want to be left alone. I want the FCC, the state, the PUC, etc, the hell away from me. No wonder I threaten and annoy you. Simple entrepreneurism isn't compatible with dreams of bing one of the titans of industry. Ahh, well, what can I say. WISPA's co-opted and orindary Joe's aren't getting it back any time soon. Good luck. And some day when you're really needing those guys with the determination and guts, instead of the quick buck artists... We'll all still be around, quietly doing our thing. And a few will be left to say "I told you so". I'll just stay out of the conversation... but you all had better have it. And the question for that conversation is: What kind of business do you want to be in? What is the nature, style, and character of the business you want to be in? There's lots of you still here that were pioneers. You started when nobody had heard of 'wireless internet' and you branded it yourself and made your own market. You suffered through the teething and breaking in of a new notion and you learned through all the trial and error along the way. You probably recall the struggle to pay the VISA with the mastercard and wondering how to pay for the CPE coming in COD. And you remember what it was like when you worked a 22 hour day because that's what it took to get something done and things back up and going. Do you want to be next McDonald's "common commodity" controlled by rules and choices made over your head... If so, these folks have great ideas for getting you what you want. If not, then you gotta fight on your hands sooner or later. Of course, the easier fight is now, but the course is set, it's nearly irreversable. They're on a campaign to raise the capital requirements sky high, to weed out anyone not sufficiently elite. Why, if you haven't started 28 businesses in 35 years, you're pig poop. Over the last couple of years, a lot of the more influential types have repeated the desired intent to have great consolidation and "weeding out" the smaller, often referred to as "maturing" of our industry. Some are still involved with WISPA. some left. They're not your friend or mine. they have one friend only and they see that
Re: [WISPA] muddy frog
Why don't you Not. I have enough junk mail don't need that as well. If muddy and chuck have issues cant they be aired elsewhere then this list. I have yet to see one exchange between these two that have been valuable to my business. I need positive help and advice not back biting and my dog is better than your dog messages. Do this bantering off list. Steve Barnes Executive Manager RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] muddy frog Why don't you share your CV? (I have just completed the start up of by 28th business. Never had a bankruptcy. Never have had an employee miss a paycheck. And estate planning is something that is increasingly taking more of my time these days.) So mister expert on all things business and industry, lets hear the bio. We need schooled obviously. How old are you anyhow? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Sure I'm trolling, Ryan. >> >> Just name for me the last ten successful small electric utility startups. >> >> See if you can find for me the last ten ILEC's to start up as a "small >> business". >> >> And name for me the last 10 cities you know of with competitive water or >> sewage companies. >> >> And then remind me again why it's "good" that we become a "regulated >> public >> utility"? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
