AVC to block Bit Torrent
Is it possible to block Bit Torrent on Wisms with AVC? Is anyone doing this? Is it a good idea to do it on the Wism? I have WISM2's Will these handle the increased blocking cpu cylces? Jeff Legge Network Services Radford University (540)-831-7727 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?
How about you get them to ignore the fact they can see each other and ramp the radios up some? Thanks -- ian Sent from my phone, please excuse brevity and misspelling. From: Stewart, Joemailto:joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu Sent: 22/10/2014 18:21 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios. We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is fine. I'm in the process of evaluating things and turning access points off and trying to line things up staggered across several floors to bump up the power levels. In dorm rooms that haven't been renovated where students are experiencing lack of coverage I've been installing a temp access points inside the room mounted to the wall using a master lock and this has been working out great. This allows me to gain statistics and proceed with a plan moving forward. I'm also exploring the following Oberon enclosure for inside rooms: http://oberonwireless.com/WebDocs/Model1031-00_Spec_Sheet.pdf Joe Stewart Network Specialist II Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Re: Vandalism, just charge the room members for the damaged AP. It is more difficult in the hallway installations. When we had damaged APs in hallway installations, we just assessed the damage costs to everyone on the dorm floor until a culprit was identified. I think, in our case, the offender was always identified. Our APs were mounted on the hallway walls, but that is no match for ball playing in the halls. I agree with Philippe's points also,. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer - Wireless Team IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 -Original Message- From: Thomas Carter [mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: WLAN design presentation tips? We're looking at revamping our down the hall model as well as we look to address 802.11ac (and replacing old Juniper wireless now that they're getting out of the wireless market). The biggest thing is the ability to pack APs more densely without signal interference than down the hall. We have random spots and wireless shadows due to elevators, broom closets, etc. Unfortunately more APs means more cost, but we're weighing using a slightly lower model to help make up the cost. Vandalism is just as likely in the hallways as in the rooms. I think that if students know that is where their Internet access comes from, they're not likely to mess with it. Add to that (at least here) there are specific people to hold responsible for the vandalism rather than anyone walking down the hallway. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin McCormick Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:47 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We installed in the hallways due to cost, access for maintenance, and concern of vandalism in room. Coverage from hallway using our design was excellent. We designed the layout in Cisco Prime. Testing after install showed the
RE: WLAN design presentation tips?
I have tried many things with rf profiles, tpc, data rates, and rx-sop to try and make the hallway placements work but it really never has for me. In either drywall or cinder block construction buildings. And you can't really increase capacity because the aps are in the halls stacked on top of each other. At least rf-wise they are. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of McClintic, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? You can raise the Minimum Power Level Assignment in TPC as well. However, you are causing issues with CCI. If your 5ghz radios are running at the lowest settings then you are not getting very much coverage at all. (4 for UNII-1(6mw) and 7 for UNII-3(3mw)) Here is a great document to know what your 3700's are transmitting at for a given channel. RRM doesn't behave well in a hallway deployment from my experience. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Peter, Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students left for a few months. Ian, Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. --Joe -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? What would be the purpose of the enclosures? Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios. We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is fine. I'm in the process of evaluating things and turning access points off and trying to line things up staggered across several floors to bump up the power levels. In dorm rooms that haven't been renovated where students are experiencing lack of coverage I've been installing a temp access points inside the room mounted to the wall using a master lock and this has been working out great. This allows me to gain statistics and proceed with a plan moving forward. I'm also exploring the following Oberon enclosure for inside rooms: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://oberonwireless.com/WebDocs/Model1031-00_Spec_Sheet.pdfk=yYSsEqip9%2FcIjLHUhVwIqA%3D%3D%0Ar=eHsexY0U6WY24UhDK4eLQbvXOPzMySRoCq87DX3WV5M%3D%0Am=1%2FTwtROXGu0wbcBn9oh0LiACe00iXTaPfO9HR8JeKck%3D%0As=cfd943bdd8fc51ad4bad95fde0d727f6880ceb4e85324465fe5191956d64d227 Joe Stewart Network Specialist II Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Re: Vandalism, just charge the room members for
RE: WLAN design presentation tips?
FWIW, on the enclosures, we've had thousands of AP's for close to a decade, across hundreds of buildings, inside rooms and outside, and have lost maybe one or two. When you add up the cost of the enclosures and the labor for installation, as well as additional labor for upgrades dealing with enclosures, seems like you could lose a lot of AP's and still have a boatload of money left over to put towards your next wireless upgrade. Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Peter, Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students left for a few months. Ian, Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. --Joe -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? What would be the purpose of the enclosures? Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios. We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is fine. I'm in the process of evaluating things and turning access points off and trying to line things up staggered across several floors to bump up the power levels. In dorm rooms that haven't been renovated where students are experiencing lack of coverage I've been installing a temp access points inside the room mounted to the wall using a master lock and this has been working out great. This allows me to gain statistics and proceed with a plan moving forward. I'm also exploring the following Oberon enclosure for inside rooms: http://oberonwireless.com/WebDocs/Model1031-00_Spec_Sheet.pdf Joe Stewart Network Specialist II Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Re: Vandalism, just charge the room members for the damaged AP. It is more difficult in the hallway installations. When we had damaged APs in hallway installations, we just assessed the damage costs to everyone on the dorm floor until a culprit was identified. I think, in our case, the offender was always identified. Our APs were mounted on the hallway walls, but that is no match for ball playing in the halls. I agree with Philippe's points also,. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer - Wireless Team IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 -Original Message- From: Thomas Carter [mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: WLAN design presentation tips? We're looking at revamping our down the hall model as well as we look to address 802.11ac (and replacing old Juniper wireless now that
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?
I am confused. Maybe I missed something. If you're putting AP's in the rooms why increasing the power levels rather than decreasing them to avoid adjacency interferences and excess RRM? Seems counterintuitive to me. The reason they have poor signal is because they are probably bouncing two adjacent APs that are broadcasting too loudly rather than just the one in their room. I also suspect you're going to have to do more manual setting because the automatic in dorm density rates will simply be too high. Recall that the algorithms are designed to even out coverage area but not so well for small concentrated areas that you don't want bleed over not to occur. Dexter Caldwell Furman University Director of systems and Networks On Oct 22, 2014 1:37 PM, Stewart, Joe joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu wrote: Peter, Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students left for a few months. Ian, Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. --Joe -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? What would be the purpose of the enclosures? Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios. We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is fine. I'm in the process of evaluating things and turning access points off and trying to line things up staggered across several floors to bump up the power levels. In dorm rooms that haven't been renovated where students are experiencing lack of coverage I've been installing a temp access points inside the room mounted to the wall using a master lock and this has been working out great. This allows me to gain statistics and proceed with a plan moving forward. I'm also exploring the following Oberon enclosure for inside rooms: http://oberonwireless.com/WebDocs/Model1031-00_Spec_Sheet.pdf Joe Stewart Network Specialist II Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Re: Vandalism, just charge the room members for the damaged AP. It is more difficult in the hallway installations. When we had damaged APs in hallway installations, we just assessed the damage costs to everyone on the dorm floor until a culprit was identified. I think, in our case, the offender was always identified. Our APs were mounted on the hallway walls, but that is no match for ball playing in the halls. I agree with Philippe's points also,. Bruce Osborne Network Engineer - Wireless Team IT Network Services (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 -Original Message- From: Thomas Carter [mailto:tcar...@austincollege.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: WLAN design presentation tips? We're looking at revamping our down the hall model as well as we look to
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?
Dexter, We currently are stuck with putting them in the hallway. I would prefer inside the rooms but didn't get to make that call. Peter, You make a good point on the added cost for enclosures. I'm testing the latest temp deployments to see if the walk away next year. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:13 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? I am confused. Maybe I missed something. If you're putting AP's in the rooms why increasing the power levels rather than decreasing them to avoid adjacency interferences and excess RRM? Seems counterintuitive to me. The reason they have poor signal is because they are probably bouncing two adjacent APs that are broadcasting too loudly rather than just the one in their room. I also suspect you're going to have to do more manual setting because the automatic in dorm density rates will simply be too high. Recall that the algorithms are designed to even out coverage area but not so well for small concentrated areas that you don't want bleed over not to occur. Dexter Caldwell Furman University Director of systems and Networks On Oct 22, 2014 1:37 PM, Stewart, Joe joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edumailto:joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu wrote: Peter, Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students left for a few months. Ian, Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. --Joe -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? What would be the purpose of the enclosures? Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios. We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is fine. I'm in the process of evaluating things and turning access points off and trying to line things up staggered across several floors to bump up the power levels. In dorm rooms that haven't been renovated where students are experiencing lack of coverage I've been installing a temp access points inside the room mounted to the wall using a master lock and this has been working out great. This allows me to gain statistics and proceed with a plan moving forward. I'm also exploring the following Oberon enclosure for inside rooms: http://oberonwireless.com/WebDocs/Model1031-00_Spec_Sheet.pdf Joe Stewart Network Specialist II Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:45 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? Re: Vandalism, just charge the room members for the damaged AP. It is more difficult in the hallway installations. When we
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?
We're actually about 80% done with a campus wireless refresh using a combination of Aruba 225's, 103H's ( soon to be replaced with 205H's, and 275's outside. We've used access points both in rooms/suites and in hallways where ever our design called for the best coverage with the least amount of access points. Over the years we've noticed that the students for the most part leave them alone knowing that they are their wireless connectivity. In reshalls whether in the rooms or in hallways none have ever gone missing or been damaged. If one does do missing though I'd have no problem having housing figure out who's bill to put it on and have it replaced. Mike From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:49 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? 10-4. I read too quickly, I guess. D/C On Oct 22, 2014 2:36 PM, Stewart, Joe joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edumailto:joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu wrote: Dexter, We currently are stuck with putting them in the hallway. I would prefer inside the rooms but didn't get to make that call. Peter, You make a good point on the added cost for enclosures. I'm testing the latest temp deployments to see if the walk away next year. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dexter Caldwell Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:13 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? I am confused. Maybe I missed something. If you're putting AP's in the rooms why increasing the power levels rather than decreasing them to avoid adjacency interferences and excess RRM? Seems counterintuitive to me. The reason they have poor signal is because they are probably bouncing two adjacent APs that are broadcasting too loudly rather than just the one in their room. I also suspect you're going to have to do more manual setting because the automatic in dorm density rates will simply be too high. Recall that the algorithms are designed to even out coverage area but not so well for small concentrated areas that you don't want bleed over not to occur. Dexter Caldwell Furman University Director of systems and Networks On Oct 22, 2014 1:37 PM, Stewart, Joe joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edumailto:joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu wrote: Peter, Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students left for a few months. Ian, Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. --Joe -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? What would be the purpose of the enclosures? Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only had about approximately 4 access points per building due to legacy/lack of infrastructure. We received tons of complaints as the demand for wireless continued to grow each year. We have tripled the amount of access points since I've been employed here. With this in mind we wanted to just blanket the dorms with access points (15-20 per dorm, Cisco 3602E 3702E). One thing I've noticed with this deployment strategy is that the access points are transmitting between power levels 7 and 8. We were stuck with deploying all of our hardware above the drop ceiling in the hallway. I prefer to put them in the rooms but we they are all hard lid and we always like to keep them out of sight. Hallway deployments are not ideal with all the mechanical crap in the ceilings not to mention I have to break tiles to even get to my hardware which makes upgrades/replacements a complete headache. I'm noticing that the access points have more overlap with hallway deployments as they have more clear line of site with each other compared to being inside a room, which is why the power levels aren't changing much even when I'm turning off radios. We have had some students complain saying they can't maintain a stable connection and when they leave their room and enter the hallway all is
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips?
In my experience, I've only had two instances of damage. Both in the Freshman dorm, both almost 10 years ago. The first instance of damage we used Enterasys Roamabout 2 (R2) access points, it was an AP that you actually stuck a PCMICA card in. (It was a selling feature, where later, 802.11g and A cards were made that allowed the AP, which was initially a B only unit, to support ABG). An enterprising freshman pulled out the 802.11b card, and stuck an 802.11G card. Apparently he was trying to upgrade his speed. :-). Too bad the AP's were code locked to specific wireless adapters. The second damage was some freshman playing football in the hall, clipped a sprinkler head, which was right next the the Wall mounted AP. Never had one take a walk in the 14 years we've been doing this. For what it's worth, we began placing in the Room 8 years ago, when our new crop of dorms were constructed to fallout shelter specs (inside joke). In reality, it was the bathroom being next to the hallway, with the mirror that ran the length of the room. We tried 5 different emplacements in the hallways. Starting with 3 AP's per floor, to ending with 15 AP's per floor. We ended up inside the rooms, and everyone has been happy since. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Michael Cole mc...@clarku.edu wrote: We’re actually about 80% done with a campus wireless refresh using a combination of Aruba 225’s, 103H’s ( soon to be replaced with 205H’s, and 275’s outside. We’ve used access points both in rooms/suites and in hallways where ever our design called for the best coverage with the least amount of access points. Over the years we’ve noticed that the students for the most part leave them alone knowing that they are their wireless connectivity. In reshalls whether in the rooms or in hallways none have ever gone missing or been damaged. If one does do missing though I’d have no problem having housing figure out who’s bill to put it on and have it replaced. Mike *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Dexter Caldwell *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:49 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? 10-4. I read too quickly, I guess. D/C On Oct 22, 2014 2:36 PM, Stewart, Joe joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu wrote: Dexter, We currently are stuck with putting them in the hallway. I would prefer inside the rooms but didn’t get to make that call. Peter, You make a good point on the added cost for enclosures. I’m testing the latest temp deployments to see if the walk away next year. *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Dexter Caldwell *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:13 AM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? I am confused. Maybe I missed something. If you're putting AP's in the rooms why increasing the power levels rather than decreasing them to avoid adjacency interferences and excess RRM? Seems counterintuitive to me. The reason they have poor signal is because they are probably bouncing two adjacent APs that are broadcasting too loudly rather than just the one in their room. I also suspect you're going to have to do more manual setting because the automatic in dorm density rates will simply be too high. Recall that the algorithms are designed to even out coverage area but not so well for small concentrated areas that you don't want bleed over not to occur. Dexter Caldwell Furman University Director of systems and Networks On Oct 22, 2014 1:37 PM, Stewart, Joe joe.stew...@claremontmckenna.edu wrote: Peter, Anti-theft. I know it's not common because who wants to shoot themselves in the foot. It has happened before though once the semester was over and students left for a few months. Ian, Yes I'm in the process of manually increasing power levels at this time. --Joe -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? What would be the purpose of the enclosures? Pete Morrissey -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WLAN design presentation tips? We recently renovated some of our dorm buildings. Prior to the renovation we only
Cisco FlexConnect Help Needed
We are a Cisco shop using WiSM2 controllers (7.6.130.0) and a variety of AP models from 1131s up to 2702s. We are very interested in using FlexConnect to drop our users into an appropriate VLAN in the building that they are in. This solves several problems for us including huge IP subnets for wireless users and allowing wireless users easy access assets on their local building subnet (e.g., AppleTV, ChromeCast, printers) - basically making a building look like home to them. All of our users use a WPA2 Enterprise SSID. And, we can easily make Radius (FreeRadius right now) return an appropriate VLAN upon authentication based on their status (faculty/staff, student, or special case) and their location (the AP name contains a building abbreviation as its first part that is easily parsed). We are not worried about roaming. Our students are used to re-associating and re-authenticating when they roam around town or through various apartment complexes. We have had roaming disabled for about 6 months now without a single complaint. We do not have any WiFi phones now nor does our campus design really consider this right now (a shortcoming for our next big project, I'm sure). We would like for normal faculty/staff and student traffic to be dropped in the appropriate VLAN (i.e., locally switched) while special cases which return a VLAN from radius that is not local to their building need to be centrally switched. Initial testing has had mixed results. Switching a machine from one UserID to another (and thus getting differing VLANs) seems to confuse the controllers. They seem to think the MAC, and thus the user, has already been authenticated and the controller wants to keep the same IP address/net mask/gateway/VLAN as was originally assigned. This makes things easy quicker for the controller but leaves the user in a state where his device is inoperable. This doesn't bother me too much. But, the same thing happens when a user moves to an adjacent building (if the APs are on the same controller) where the originally assigned address info is not appropriate any longer and the controller really needs to re-authenticate the user to get new address info. we have looked extensively for documentation on FlexConnect in a campus environment rather than the intended remote office environment but without any luck so far. Our local Cisco tech has been very helpful, but we still haven't gotten past all the hurdles. Current environment size is slightly over 200 buildings with just under 5,000 APs and just over 33,000 concurrent users at peak times. Is anyone out there using FlexConnect in a similar manner? Do you have any decent documentation that you can point me to? Or, do you have any advice to offer (don't even try to do this is an acceptable response)? Thanks. -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco FlexConnect Help Needed
I don't believe the user-based VLAN assignment from FreeRadius will work with an access point in FlexConnect mode. I know it will work in local mode, but that's not the functionality that you want. We were investigating this some time ago in WLC 7.2 code, but scrapped it when we moved L3 routing to the building, so we're drinking the converged access kool-aid in most places. That is, flat network per building wired wireless regardless of student or faculty/staff affiliation. The configuration may be a bit different now with 7.6, I honestly haven't touched it in a long time. I was pulling my hair out though trying to get it to work by creating the vlan interfaces on the controller, and trunking vlans to the AP to make it all work. The AP has to have the VLAN trunked to it, and the controller has to have an interface for it to process the authentication and understand the RADIUS response. Just adding my 2¢, but is probably worth less ;) --Britton Britton Anderson blanders...@alaska.edu | Senior Network Communications Specialist | University of Alaska http://www.alaska.edu/oit | 907.450.8250 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Bruce Curtis bruce.cur...@ndsu.edu wrote: We have used Flexconnect in the Residence Halls here at NDSU for many years (even when Flexconnect was called HREAP). But the APs in our non Residence Hall buildings use the central model and send traffic back to the controller. We also use WPA2 and FreeRadius. I have experimented with putting a machine in a different Vlan based on RADIUS, but only on APs that were configured to send all traffic back to the central controller. For the non Residence Hall buildings we use Interface Groups to shrink the size or the wireless subnets. Originally in order to use the same SSID name we had separate controllers for Residence Halls and the main campus buildings. Now we have two “WLAN ID”s that have the same SSID. We set the APs to only one of the “WLAN ID”s with the duplicate SSID names. The controller is a bit touch about it but it has worked so far. This doesn’t answer your question but I can say that the method outlined above works (and for IPv6 since 2008 also). On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu wrote: We are a Cisco shop using WiSM2 controllers (7.6.130.0) and a variety of AP models from 1131s up to 2702s. We are very interested in using FlexConnect to drop our users into an appropriate VLAN in the building that they are in. This solves several problems for us including huge IP subnets for wireless users and allowing wireless users easy access assets on their local building subnet (e.g., AppleTV, ChromeCast, printers) - basically making a building look like home to them. All of our users use a WPA2 Enterprise SSID. And, we can easily make Radius (FreeRadius right now) return an appropriate VLAN upon authentication based on their status (faculty/staff, student, or special case) and their location (the AP name contains a building abbreviation as its first part that is easily parsed). We are not worried about roaming. Our students are used to re-associating and re-authenticating when they roam around town or through various apartment complexes. We have had roaming disabled for about 6 months now without a single complaint. We do not have any WiFi phones now nor does our campus design really consider this right now (a shortcoming for our next big project, I'm sure). We would like for normal faculty/staff and student traffic to be dropped in the appropriate VLAN (i.e., locally switched) while special cases which return a VLAN from radius that is not local to their building need to be centrally switched. Initial testing has had mixed results. Switching a machine from one UserID to another (and thus getting differing VLANs) seems to confuse the controllers. They seem to think the MAC, and thus the user, has already been authenticated and the controller wants to keep the same IP address/net mask/gateway/VLAN as was originally assigned. This makes things easy quicker for the controller but leaves the user in a state where his device is inoperable. This doesn’t bother me too much. But, the same thing happens when a user moves to an adjacent building (if the APs are on the same controller) where the originally assigned address info is not appropriate any longer and the controller really needs to re-authenticate the user to get new address info. we have looked extensively for documentation on FlexConnect in a campus environment rather than the intended remote office environment but without any luck so far. Our local Cisco tech has been very helpful, but we still haven't gotten past all the hurdles. Current environment size is slightly over 200 buildings with just under 5,000 APs and just over 33,000 concurrent users at peak times. Is anyone out there using FlexConnect in a similar manner? Do you have any decent documentation that you
