Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] eduroam ssid on RTS

[Hunter Fuller]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:45 PM Philippe Hanset <
005cd62f91b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:

> I wouldn't use 802.1X for that project, and that is coming from the
> eduroam guys :(
>
> if using 802.1X (eduroam or local) in the bus… even people with decent
> data plans that could use their own will automatically join your hotspot
> since Wi-Fi is usually preferred by devices, making it
> not so usable for the people who really need it. Those people will have to
> manually disable Wi-Fi to force their device on LTE.
>

Philippe - I'm not sure about the association between 802.1X and this
problem. Seems to me like any popular SSID would have the same issue, no?
If it is a bus full of students, they would all automatically associate,
802.1X or not, right?
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

[Alan D Wang]

Here is the dump from an AP with a corrupt boot loader after software
upgrade/power cycle. Symptoms of the unit having this problem are no
console output after BootROM: Image checksum verificaiton FAILED and no
status LED lighting up. On the switch at my desk (WS-C2960CX-8PC), if you
plug in the AP, you get no link light, but from cli you see that power is
negotiated and drawn to the AP.

BootROM - 1.78
Booting from SPI flash, Secure mode
BootROM: RSA Public key verification PASSED
BootROM: CSK block signature verification PASSED
BootROM: Boot header signature verification PASSED
BootROM: Box ID verification PASSED
BootROM: JTAG is disabled


General initialization - Version: 1.0.0
Detected Device ID 6920
Master bootloder version 1.22
High speed PHY - Version: 2.0
BoardId = 0x21board SerDes lanes topology details:
 | Lane # | Speed|Type |
 --|
 |   1|  0   |  SGMII1 |
 |   2|  5   |  PCIe1  |
 |   4|  5   |  PCIe2  |
 |   5|  0   |  SGMII2 |
 ---
:** Link is Gen1, check the EP capability
PCIe, Idx 1: Link upgraded to Gen2 based on client cpabilities
:** Link is Gen1, check the EP capability
PCIe, Idx 2: Link upgraded to Gen2 based on client cpabilities
High speed PHY - Ended Successfully
DDR4 Training Sequence - Ver TIP-0.23.(Sublib 0.8)0
DDR4 Training Sequence - Switching XBAR Window to FastPath Window
DDR4 Training Sequence - Ended Successfully
BootROM: Image checksum verification FAILED




On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Jeffrey D. Sessler  wrote:

> You may not get link/activity until the AP's interface comes up, but the
> AP may still be requesting power and booting. I'd get one attached to a
> console cable and see what happens. If you're using a Cisco switch, the
> "show power inline" command will tell you if power is being
> supplied/requested.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 8/17/18, 11:17 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group
> Listserv on behalf of Sam Ziadeh"  behalf of szia...@lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> POE switch (non cisco). We did take some of the failed units and
> plugged them into a Cisco POE switch to rule out a switch issue.
>
> We did not check the console port of the AP, but the port on the
> switch was not lighting up either.
>
> -Sam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:59 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate
>
> I’ve got a metric ton of 3800’s and 2800’s spanning FCS (first
> customer ship) to less than a month old and have had zero failures.
>
>
>
> I agree with one of the other posters that even with no lights
> displayed, there can be action on the console port.
>
>
>
> Was the initial failure when connected to a POE switch or using an
> injector? Cisco switches/injectors or third-party?
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Sam Ziadeh 
> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> Date: Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 7:39 AM
> To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate
>
>
>
> Is anyone else seeing a high rate of Cisco AP 2800 failures? Out of a
> batch of ~500 recently installed Aps, we have had roughly 70 fail. Some
> were online for a month, but some only a few days.
>
> Typically they will fail after a powercycle or loss of power.
> We are working with Cisco on this, but I’m curious if this is a more
> wide spread problem.
>
>
>
> -
>
> Sam Ziadeh
>
> Manager, Network Engineering & Architecture
>
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>
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>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] eduroam ssid on RTS

[Philippe Hanset]

Nancy,

A few more thoughts about your project ...

This can be useful for:

-foreign visitors, because most of them do not have data plans in the US, or if 
they do it is quite expensive
(when I went to a conference in Ireland I was pleased to have free Wi-Fi in 
buses)
-Poorly covered areas where that bus becomes the only decent connectivity 
available 
 (so, if this is the case, make sure to pick a LTE/4G provider that has great 
coverage, great throughput, and large data quotas :)

If the bus crosses mostly urban areas with nice coverage and your students have 
on average really good cellular data plans, it might be wasteful!
Do you have a large population of Foreign Students/Faculty?

I wouldn't use 802.1X for that project, and that is coming from the eduroam 
guys :(

if using 802.1X (eduroam or local) in the bus… even people with decent data 
plans that could use their own will automatically join your hotspot since Wi-Fi 
is usually preferred by devices, making it
not so usable for the people who really need it. Those people will have to 
manually disable Wi-Fi to force their device on LTE.

Also, while the bus is driving around town, even people outside the bus will 
join it (the nature of 802.1X).
This could be a mess!

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
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> On Aug 17, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Watson,Nancy A  wrote:
> 
> ​Thank for your reply.  I do want to know how others are doing this and if it 
> was successful.  We are concerned about overage charges and the quality of 
> the wireless vs  using their cellphone 4G connection. 
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
>  Nancy Watson   
>  Engineer, Network Services - UFIT
>   
>  nwat...@ufl.edu , (352) 273-1057 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>  > on behalf of Osborne, Bruce W 
> (Network Operations) mailto:bosbo...@liberty.edu>>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
> 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] eduroam ssid on RTS
>  
> We are an Aruba shop. For several years we have been using Aruba’s remote 
> access points on athletic highway coaches with a 4G backhaul through the 
> vendor installed cradlepoint router. The APs also support 4G USB sticks 
> though. The main issues in our case initially was bandwidth overage charges.  
>  
> We are not an EDUROAM customer but the APs terminate over an IPsec tunnel to 
> our controllers like they are on campus. I know this is not the Cisco 
> solution you were looking for.
>  
> Bruce Osborne
> Senior Network Engineer
> Network Operations - Wireless
>  
>  (434) 592-4229
>  
> LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
> Training Champions for Christ since 1971
>  
> From: Watson,Nancy A [mailto:nwat...@ufl.edu ] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:10 AM
> Subject: eduroam ssid on RTS
>  
> ​I am involved in a joint project with RTS to run eduroam on  the city buses 
> that pass through our campus to service the students.  We are currently a 
> Cisco Shop and I was curious if anyone has done anything like this with Cisco 
> or any other vendor.
>  
> Thanks,
> Nancy
>  Nancy Watson   
>  Engineer, Network Services - UFIT
>   
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

You may not get link/activity until the AP's interface comes up, but the AP may 
still be requesting power and booting. I'd get one attached to a console cable 
and see what happens. If you're using a Cisco switch, the "show power inline" 
command will tell you if power is being supplied/requested.

Jeff

On 8/17/18, 11:17 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
on behalf of Sam Ziadeh"  wrote:

POE switch (non cisco). We did take some of the failed units and plugged 
them into a Cisco POE switch to rule out a switch issue.

We did not check the console port of the AP, but the port on the switch was 
not lighting up either.

-Sam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:59 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

I’ve got a metric ton of 3800’s and 2800’s spanning FCS (first customer 
ship) to less than a month old and have had zero failures. 

 

I agree with one of the other posters that even with no lights displayed, 
there can be action on the console port.

 

Was the initial failure when connected to a POE switch or using an 
injector? Cisco switches/injectors or third-party?

 

Jeff

 

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
 on behalf of Sam Ziadeh 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 7:39 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

 

Is anyone else seeing a high rate of Cisco AP 2800 failures? Out of a batch 
of ~500 recently installed Aps, we have had roughly 70 fail. Some were online 
for a month, but some only a few days.

Typically they will fail after a powercycle or loss of power.
We are working with Cisco on this, but I’m curious if this is a more wide 
spread problem.

 

-

Sam Ziadeh

Manager, Network Engineering & Architecture

University Networking & Infrastructure

Information Technology Services

Louisiana State University

(225) 578-0074

szia...@lsu.edu  

 

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Re: eduroam ssid on RTS

[Watson,Nancy A]

?Thank for your reply.  I do want to know how others are doing this and if it 
was successful.  We are concerned about overage charges and the quality of the 
wireless vs  using their cellphone 4G connection.


Nancy



 Nancy Watson
 Engineer, Network Services - UFIT
 nwat...@ufl.edu, (352) 273-1057

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Osborne, Bruce W (Network 
Operations) 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:27 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] eduroam ssid on RTS

We are an Aruba shop. For several years we have been using Aruba's remote 
access points on athletic highway coaches with a 4G backhaul through the vendor 
installed cradlepoint router. The APs also support 4G USB sticks though. The 
main issues in our case initially was bandwidth overage charges.

We are not an EDUROAM customer but the APs terminate over an IPsec tunnel to 
our controllers like they are on campus. I know this is not the Cisco solution 
you were looking for.

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Watson,Nancy A [mailto:nwat...@ufl.edu]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:10 AM
Subject: eduroam ssid on RTS


?I am involved in a joint project with RTS to run eduroam on  the city buses 
that pass through our campus to service the students.  We are currently a Cisco 
Shop and I was curious if anyone has done anything like this with Cisco or any 
other vendor.


Thanks,
Nancy

 Nancy Watson
 Engineer, Network Services - UFIT
 nwat...@ufl.edu, (352) 273-1057
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

[Sam Ziadeh]

POE switch (non cisco). We did take some of the failed units and plugged them 
into a Cisco POE switch to rule out a switch issue.

We did not check the console port of the AP, but the port on the switch was not 
lighting up either.

-Sam

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:59 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

I’ve got a metric ton of 3800’s and 2800’s spanning FCS (first customer ship) 
to less than a month old and have had zero failures. 

 

I agree with one of the other posters that even with no lights displayed, there 
can be action on the console port.

 

Was the initial failure when connected to a POE switch or using an injector? 
Cisco switches/injectors or third-party?

 

Jeff

 

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of Sam Ziadeh 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 7:39 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco AP2800 failure rate

 

Is anyone else seeing a high rate of Cisco AP 2800 failures? Out of a batch of 
~500 recently installed Aps, we have had roughly 70 fail. Some were online for 
a month, but some only a few days.

Typically they will fail after a powercycle or loss of power.
We are working with Cisco on this, but I’m curious if this is a more wide 
spread problem.

 

-

Sam Ziadeh

Manager, Network Engineering & Architecture

University Networking & Infrastructure

Information Technology Services

Louisiana State University

(225) 578-0074

szia...@lsu.edu  

 

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RE: eduroam ssid on RTS

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

We are an Aruba shop. For several years we have been using Aruba’s remote 
access points on athletic highway coaches with a 4G backhaul through the vendor 
installed cradlepoint router. The APs also support 4G USB sticks though. The 
main issues in our case initially was bandwidth overage charges.

We are not an EDUROAM customer but the APs terminate over an IPsec tunnel to 
our controllers like they are on campus. I know this is not the Cisco solution 
you were looking for.

Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless

 (434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Watson,Nancy A [mailto:nwat...@ufl.edu]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:10 AM
Subject: eduroam ssid on RTS


​I am involved in a joint project with RTS to run eduroam on  the city buses 
that pass through our campus to service the students.  We are currently a Cisco 
Shop and I was curious if anyone has done anything like this with Cisco or any 
other vendor.


Thanks,
Nancy

 Nancy Watson
 Engineer, Network Services - UFIT
 nwat...@ufl.edu, (352) 273-1057
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