Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

[John Rodkey]

I found this podcast  about efforts by U of W and Microsoft to be
insightful.
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/05/05/podcast-232-contact-tracing-privacy-surveillance-decentralized/
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/05/08/podcast-233-contact-tracing-civil-liberties-sham-kakade/

John Rodkey
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Westmont College

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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:38 AM Julian Y Koh 
wrote:

> I’m not sure that Wi-Fi data will be the best for doing actual contact
> tracing.  Maybe if you’ve got the full blown Meridian location tracking or
> something similar that can tie in Bluetooth-based beacons, but it seems to
> me that the granularity of Wi-Fi only data wouldn’t quite be up to what
> you’d need for effective contact tracing.  I’m not completely convinced
> that Bluetooth doesn’t cast too wide a net either, but it’d be a lot better
> that Wi-Fi triangulation.
>
> Where we’re anticipating having the discussion around Wi-Fi data is
> gauging user/device density and duration of stay in general areas so that
> we can gauge what areas present the greater risks of exposure.  There was a
> recent NYT article that explored this using cell phone location data.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-us-reopen.html
>
> Going back to contact tracing, as of right now we see the value of trying
> to roll our own app or system to be limited given that there’s no way to
> tell what people are going to do when they leave campus.  I’m hoping the
> state will come up with something workable that we can then point everyone
> here to use.
>
>
>
> --
> Julian Y. Koh
> Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
> Northwestern Information Technology
>
> 2020 Ridge Avenue #331
> Evanston, IL 60208
> +1-847-467-5780
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> PGP Public Key: 
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> On May 15, 2020, at 11:17, McGuire, Michael <
> 00208832ddd0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> As I’m sure everyone else is doing, we’re working on plans for having our
> campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of “how far back do
> you keep wireless logs” was just asked which of course leads to “we want to
> see where a person has been on a given day”.
>
> This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of
> storing and accessing that data.
>
> Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations
> for such?
>
> Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus
> police when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been
> or devices in an area at a specific time.
>
> This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.
>
>
> - Michael
>
> Michael McGuire
> *Network Systems Administrator*
> *Monmouth University*
> *mmcgu...@monmouth.edu *
> *732.263.5589*
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

[Julian Y Koh]

The UK folks are supposedly looking at switching to the Apple/Google APIs.  
That should address the background concerns as well as privacy issues with 
their centralized model.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/uk-eyeing-switch-to-apple-google-api-for-coronavirus-contacts-tracing-report/



On May 15, 2020, at 11:57, LaPorte, David 
mailto:david_lapo...@harvard.edu>> wrote:

One challenging aspect of a Bluetooth-based approach is that the app must be 
open and in the foreground of the device (which must remain unlocked).  That 
seems to be a common limitation with most other Bluetooth-based approaches 
(including Meridian), although it seems like the UK’s “NHS COVID-19” app has 
implemented a relatively untested workaround:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/05/nhs-covid-19-the-uks-coronavirus-contacts-tracing-app-explained/:

Best,
Dave

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Harvard University Information Technology
P: (617) 496-3446

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Julian Y Koh 
mailto:kohs...@northwestern.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Friday, May 15, 2020 at 12:38
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

I’m not sure that Wi-Fi data will be the best for doing actual contact tracing. 
 Maybe if you’ve got the full blown Meridian location tracking or something 
similar that can tie in Bluetooth-based beacons, but it seems to me that the 
granularity of Wi-Fi only data wouldn’t quite be up to what you’d need for 
effective contact tracing.  I’m not completely convinced that Bluetooth doesn’t 
cast too wide a net either, but it’d be a lot better that Wi-Fi triangulation.

Where we’re anticipating having the discussion around Wi-Fi data is gauging 
user/device density and duration of stay in general areas so that we can gauge 
what areas present the greater risks of exposure.  There was a recent NYT 
article that explored this using cell phone location data.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-us-reopen.html

Going back to contact tracing, as of right now we see the value of trying to 
roll our own app or system to be limited given that there’s no way to tell what 
people are going to do when they leave campus.  I’m hoping the state will come 
up with something workable that we can then point everyone here to use.



--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2020 Ridge Avenue #331
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: 
>
PGP Public Key: 
>



On May 15, 2020, at 11:17, McGuire, Michael 
<00208832ddd0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

As I’m sure everyone else is doing, we’re working on plans for having our 
campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of “how far back do you 
keep wireless logs” was just asked which of course leads to “we want to see 
where a person has been on a given day”.

This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of 
storing and accessing that data.

Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations for 
such?

Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus police 
when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been or devices 
in an area at a specific time.

This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.


- Michael

Michael McGuire
Network Systems Administrator
Monmouth University
mmcgu...@monmouth.edu
732.263.5589

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

[LaPorte, David]

One challenging aspect of a Bluetooth-based approach is that the app must be 
open and in the foreground of the device (which must remain unlocked).  That 
seems to be a common limitation with most other Bluetooth-based approaches 
(including Meridian), although it seems like the UK’s “NHS COVID-19” app has 
implemented a relatively untested workaround:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/05/nhs-covid-19-the-uks-coronavirus-contacts-tracing-app-explained/:

Best,
Dave

—

David LaPorte
Harvard University Information Technology
P: (617) 496-3446

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Julian Y Koh 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Friday, May 15, 2020 at 12:38
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

I’m not sure that Wi-Fi data will be the best for doing actual contact tracing. 
 Maybe if you’ve got the full blown Meridian location tracking or something 
similar that can tie in Bluetooth-based beacons, but it seems to me that the 
granularity of Wi-Fi only data wouldn’t quite be up to what you’d need for 
effective contact tracing.  I’m not completely convinced that Bluetooth doesn’t 
cast too wide a net either, but it’d be a lot better that Wi-Fi triangulation.

Where we’re anticipating having the discussion around Wi-Fi data is gauging 
user/device density and duration of stay in general areas so that we can gauge 
what areas present the greater risks of exposure.  There was a recent NYT 
article that explored this using cell phone location data.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-us-reopen.html

Going back to contact tracing, as of right now we see the value of trying to 
roll our own app or system to be limited given that there’s no way to tell what 
people are going to do when they leave campus.  I’m hoping the state will come 
up with something workable that we can then point everyone here to use.



--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2020 Ridge Avenue #331
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: 
>
PGP Public Key: 
>



On May 15, 2020, at 11:17, McGuire, Michael 
<00208832ddd0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

As I’m sure everyone else is doing, we’re working on plans for having our 
campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of “how far back do you 
keep wireless logs” was just asked which of course leads to “we want to see 
where a person has been on a given day”.

This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of 
storing and accessing that data.

Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations for 
such?

Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus police 
when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been or devices 
in an area at a specific time.

This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.


- Michael

Michael McGuire
Network Systems Administrator
Monmouth University
mmcgu...@monmouth.edu
732.263.5589

400 Cedar Avenue
West Long Branch, NJ 07764
monmouth.edu

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

[Julian Y Koh]

I’m not sure that Wi-Fi data will be the best for doing actual contact tracing. 
 Maybe if you’ve got the full blown Meridian location tracking or something 
similar that can tie in Bluetooth-based beacons, but it seems to me that the 
granularity of Wi-Fi only data wouldn’t quite be up to what you’d need for 
effective contact tracing.  I’m not completely convinced that Bluetooth doesn’t 
cast too wide a net either, but it’d be a lot better that Wi-Fi triangulation.

Where we’re anticipating having the discussion around Wi-Fi data is gauging 
user/device density and duration of stay in general areas so that we can gauge 
what areas present the greater risks of exposure.  There was a recent NYT 
article that explored this using cell phone location data.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coronavirus-us-reopen.html

Going back to contact tracing, as of right now we see the value of trying to 
roll our own app or system to be limited given that there’s no way to tell what 
people are going to do when they leave campus.  I’m hoping the state will come 
up with something workable that we can then point everyone here to use.



--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2020 Ridge Avenue #331
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key: 


On May 15, 2020, at 11:17, McGuire, Michael 
<00208832ddd0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

As I’m sure everyone else is doing, we’re working on plans for having our 
campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of “how far back do you 
keep wireless logs” was just asked which of course leads to “we want to see 
where a person has been on a given day”.

This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of 
storing and accessing that data.

Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations for 
such?

Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus police 
when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been or devices 
in an area at a specific time.

This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.


- Michael

Michael McGuire
Network Systems Administrator
Monmouth University
mmcgu...@monmouth.edu
732.263.5589

400 Cedar Avenue
West Long Branch, NJ 07764
monmouth.edu






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RE: Wireless location data for contact tracing

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

It's pretty trivial today to look at a device/person's association data and 
reconstruct where they've been.  I suspect we all use this data from time to 
time to diagnose a user reported problem, and someone could theoretically use 
it for something more intrusive. It's a policy and procedure issue rather than 
technical, and policy decisions about privacy are rarely something we are 
responsible for setting. I'd focus on the technical challenges and leave the 
privacy policy piece your college leadership to decide.

We're looking at Cisco's "DNA Spaces" as one option for contact tracing and 
occupancy forecasting, but I think the better approach will be in the 
short-distance contact tracing the likes of Apple and Google are working on.  
Unless your WiFi network is designed around location awareness, the accuracy is 
likely to be too poor to get meaningful correlations.

Jeff

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

As I'm sure everyone else is doing, we're working on plans for having our 
campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of "how far back do you 
keep wireless logs" was just asked which of course leads to "we want to see 
where a person has been on a given day".

This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of 
storing and accessing that data.

Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations for 
such?

Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus police 
when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been or devices 
in an area at a specific time.

This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.


- Michael

Michael McGuire
Network Systems Administrator
Monmouth University
mmcgu...@monmouth.edu
732.263.5589
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless location data for contact tracing

[Max McGrath]

Michael -

Yes, we are going through this exact same thing as of a few days ago.

The questions are currently coming from my CIO.  I don't know if others
above her are asking any questions.

My assumption is that we will be utilizing WiFi data for (both with a
certain margin of error):

   - Determining approx. building occupancy
   - Contact tracing

We use PacketFence and currently keep 24 hours of audit logs available to
the UI.  Anything beyond that would be manually searching through
application logs at the OS level.  Just today I've reached out to support
to ask if we move this to 3, 5, 7, etc.. days, what kind of havoc that
would cause to the system.

Max
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Infrastructure and Security Manager
Carthage College
262-551-
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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:17 AM McGuire, Michael <
00208832ddd0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:

> As I’m sure everyone else is doing, we’re working on plans for having our
> campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of “how far back do
> you keep wireless logs” was just asked which of course leads to “we want to
> see where a person has been on a given day”.
>
>
>
> This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of
> storing and accessing that data.
>
>
>
> Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations
> for such?
>
>
>
> Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus
> police when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been
> or devices in an area at a specific time.
>
>
>
> This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Michael
>
>
>
> Michael McGuire
>
> *Network Systems Administrator*
>
> *Monmouth University*
>
> *mmcgu...@monmouth.edu *
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Wireless location data for contact tracing

[McGuire, Michael]

As I'm sure everyone else is doing, we're working on plans for having our 
campus community rejoin us at some point. The question of "how far back do you 
keep wireless logs" was just asked which of course leads to "we want to see 
where a person has been on a given day".

This of course has privacy issues along with the technical challenges of 
storing and accessing that data.

Has anyone else been asked to look into this or begun to make preparations for 
such?

Being an Aruba shop we already leverage AirWave reports for our campus police 
when tracing lost or stolen devices as well as where a user has been or devices 
in an area at a specific time.

This request seems to be a larger scale with potentially more moving parts.


- Michael

Michael McGuire
Network Systems Administrator
Monmouth University
mmcgu...@monmouth.edu
732.263.5589
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Next Virtual Session - June 19 - Network Monitoring Tools

[Ferguson, Michael]

This message is being cross-posted to the Netman and Wireless-LAN Lists.

For our first virtual meetup on April 17, we had over 100 people attend the 
Zoom meeting.  We covered 7 topics related to our response to handling the 
changes in our campus environments caused by Covid-19.  As CG Leaders, we feel 
the meeting kept a good pace and that there was a lot of great participation 
and valuable sharing of information.   Thank you to everyone that participated 
as we think our first virtual session turned out to be a nice success.   To see 
how broad the participation was, we compiled a geographical summary of those 
that participated:


Geographical Summary of Attendees (April 17 Meetup)
Region  Attended
Canada 3
Europe 1
Mid-Atlantic   9
Mountain West  5
Northeast 14
Pacific Ocean  4
Pacific West  12
Southeast 16
Southwest  6
New York/New Jersey9
Midwest-(Central TZ)  19
Midwest-(Eastern TZ)   8
Total106

To review what topics we covered and some of the comments made on the 
discussion board, here's a link to our Covid-19 meeting:

Lean Coffee Table Discussion Board - Fri, April 17
https://www.leancoffeetable.com/TaskBoard/View/7bcaae9e-7c9c-45d3-aacb-cc6c61de3165?guest=true

FUTURE MEETINGS

We CG Leaders have been weighing how often to host future meetings.  After a 
couple weeks of exploring different options, we feel it would be a good balance 
to host them once every other month, or once every two months.  We'll also try 
and  schedule the virtual meetings on the 3rd Friday of the "on" month, unless 
something else is occurring like the Annual Conference..

List of our upcoming virtual meetings:

June - Friday, June 19 (3-4 pm Eastern, 12-1 pm Pacific | Topic - Network 
Monitoring Tools
August - Friday, August 21 (3-4 pm Eastern, 12-1 pm Pacific)  | Topic - To be 
determined
October - Annual Conference (To be Determined as far as date and whether onsite 
or virtual) | Topic - Open Discussion + 2 10 minute Presentations

For those that already registered for the April virtual meeting, you'll already 
be included in the invite for the next virtual meeting in June.  But if anyone 
prefers not to be included in the invite for June, let me know via email saying 
you want to opt out.  I'll also be sending everyone that already registered  a 
more detailed Agenda of our April meeting (even if you weren't able to attend) 
that includes the Zoom Chat that took place during our verbal conversation.  It 
ended up that Zoom chat was a lot more friendlier to use to communicate with 
each other than the comments feature in Lean Coffee Table.  I hope that Lean 
Coffee Table fixes that shortcoming in the next release.  In future meetings, 
we can focus on using Zoom chat rather than entering comments in Lean Coffee 
Table for the non-verbal discussion.

As you already saw listed above, the topic for our June meeting will be Network 
Monitoring Tools.  This is the burning topic that many of us discussed in late 
January & early February, which spearheaded us to start getting together to 
host virtual meetups.  Jeff Farese took a lot of our discussion back then and 
summarized it in 5 categories.  I've taken that list from Jeff and created 5 
topic cards for our discussion in Lean Coffee Table.

Lean Coffee Table Discussion Board - Fri, June 19
https://www.leancoffeetable.com/TaskBoard/View/6612ba72-522e-46a8-aabf-e21094a4ce02?guest=true

Feel free to vote on any of those topics if they interest you, or submit your 
own topic if you have something else in mind.  If you want to join our meeting 
in June and haven't registered yet, please enter your email address using this 
Google survey form and we'll add you to the list.  If you use your personal 
email account rather than your University or business email address, can you 
send me an email to let me know who you are?

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Network Manager
Chapman University
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714-744-7873
chapman.edu

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