Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:17:25AM +, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) wrote: That may be the issue. Our Guest SSID has a portal, but for a while we ran an open SSID with no portal. With no portal, we quickly found DHCP scopes filling up due to mobile devices constantly associating, checking for Internet access as they roamed around campus. Even with a portal, don't devices still get a DHCP lease? We had to deal with this by making our subnet and DHCP scope large enough for any potential mobile devices automatically associating, even if they didn't have credentials for the portal. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba
I typically see that 30-50% of devices which associate and get a DHCP lease from our wireless networks never log onto the portal and actually use the wireless connection... This apparently includes many devices which remain on campus (plugged in to charge?) overnight. (Our guest network does have a portal, it just doesn't do any stringent authentication...) David Gillett CISSP CCNP -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:17:25AM +, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) wrote: That may be the issue. Our Guest SSID has a portal, but for a while we ran an open SSID with no portal. With no portal, we quickly found DHCP scopes filling up due to mobile devices constantly associating, checking for Internet access as they roamed around campus. Even with a portal, don't devices still get a DHCP lease? We had to deal with this by making our subnet and DHCP scope large enough for any potential mobile devices automatically associating, even if they didn't have credentials for the portal. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.educause.edu_groups_d=AwIBAgc=xoYdONxMEGxjdvKj5bOdEOV28uakaJ20R4TjadGGZBcr=k9GuXUxBnq8dKeP-TM4_u3H9MTZhXcX7GvfnnTt9LsEm=2_Cir644y4cMBCwXxQcx7Rt3mVqqL3a4WleO5Irbydws=8KpqnUqgYO06O8oZ9LJGYzz5eQHD2iyh81VRzcCRdewe= . ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba
I’m having similar problem on a Win7 SP1 laptop. When I enable my wireless adapter it connects to our guest network instead of our 802.1X network. The order of the profiles in the network list doesn’t matter, and even deleting the guest network profile doesn’t help. Once I manually choose the 1x network it doesn’t generally “jump” to guest, but I recall that happening at least once. My theory was that my connection dropped, giving my machine a chance to exercise its newly-found preference for the guest network over all others. I don’t have this problem on any other devices, and I haven’t heard any reports from anybody else yet, so I assumed my laptop was the problem. That said, the laptop was problem-free for years. If the problem coincided with an AOS upgrade, I failed to make the connection. When I thought this was just a problem with my laptop I opted to work around it, but maybe it deserves some attention. Windows devices make up a modest percentage of our wireless clients, so others could be having the same experience and word just hasn’t reached me yet. I’ll get a packet capture next time I put this device on the Wi-Fi. If I turn up anything suspicious I’ll post to the group. Chuck Enfield Manager, Wireless Systems Engineering Telecommunications Networking Services The Pennsylvania State University 110H, USB2, UP, PA 16802 ph: 814.863.8715 fx: 814.865.3988 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 7:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba I have not seen this here at Liberty University with our Aruba 6.3.1.16 network. We will be moving to 6.4 soon. In fact, I use a Surface Pro 3 as my daily computer. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: David Gillett [mailto:gillettda...@fhda.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:37 PM Subject: SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba Anybody else seen this? I’ve seen devices reconnect to the sane SSID as a previous session, and I believe I’ve seen them connect to an SSID that was “the only one visible.” But twice now, I’ve seen my Surface Pro 3, in the midst of logging in to our “primary” SSID, suddenly bring up the login page for our secondary “guest” Wi-Fi service, to which it had never previously been connected…. Is this a Windpws 8.1 (mis)feature? An Aruba bug? A quirk of the wireless interface chip Microsoft chose to use in he Surface Pro 3? Or perhaps something else, stranger than I can imagine? David Gillett CISSP CCNP ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] SSID jumping with Win 8.1 (Surface Pro 3) on Aruba
Not sure if this will help at all. With Cisco the surface will not connect to a secure SSID with PMF dot1x set as optional. We had to disable PMF dot1x and only use dot1x. There are some strange issues with the wireless on the Surface. Kevin McCormick Western Illinois University On 7/21/2015 3:37 PM, David Gillett wrote: Anybody else seen this?*I’ve seen devices reconnect to the sane SSID as a previous session, and I believe I’ve seen them connect to an SSID that was “the only one visible.” But twice now, I’ve seen my Surface Pro 3, in the midst of logging in to our “primary” SSID, suddenly bring up the login page for our secondary “guest” Wi-Fi service, to which it had never previously been connected…. Is this a Windpws 8.1 (mis)feature? An Aruba bug? A quirk of the wireless interface chip Microsoft chose to use in he Surface Pro 3? * Or perhaps something else, stranger than I can imagine? David Gillett CISSP CCNP ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
