Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11k and 802.11r in BYOD

[Tony Skalski]

>This says that OS X has supported 802.11r starting with Mavericks 10.9.

Ha! I even double-checked on Apple's site to see if this had changed
recently. I guess they're too busy to let people know (or they don't care
so much about OS X these days).

ajs

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Bruce Curtis  wrote:

>
> > On Apr 20, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Tony Skalski  wrote:
> >
> >
> > We've had 802.11k enabled for a few years. The only issue we've had was
> with some Intel wireless chipsets. To work around this we disabled the
> Quiet Information Element which appears in beacons and probes as part of
> 802.11k. If you search for Intel and Quiet Information Element you can find
> lots more info.
>
> We have had 802.11k enabled for months rather than years.  Had to disable
> 802.11k "Assisted Roaming Prediction Optimization” on our Cisco wireless
> since it appeared to cause lots of drops for clients.
>
> We still have 802.11k "Neighbor List Dual Band” enabled
>
> >
> > We've never enabled 802.11r, because it is not supported by OS X. It is
> supported on iOS but not sure about other OSes.
>
>
> This says that OS X has supported 802.11r starting with Mavericks 10.9.
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-2/b_Enterprise_Best_Practices_for_Apple_Devices_on_Cisco_Wireless_LAN.pdf
>
>
> I think the showstopper is Microsoft devices.
>
> "Not all Windows 10 devices support 802.11k, 802.11v, and 802.11r.”
>
>
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/mt484190(v=vs.85).aspx
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Environment: about 5,000 daily associations, close to 4,000 of which are
> BYOD.
> >
> > ajs
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Voelker, Andy 
> wrote:
> > I’m sure this question gets recycled occasionally, but I wanted to check
> in on everyone’s experience with these two protocols in a very BYOD
> environment.  I just became a WLAN admin in August and I’m finally to the
> point where I can tweak some finer details of the network.  We have 1600
> residential students that bring all kinds of devices.  I’m particularly
> interested in 802.11k since it has been out for a while and I think device
> compatibility or at least tolerance is pretty good.  What about 802.11r?
> >
> >
> >
> > I appreciate your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >
> > ​
> >
> > Andy Voelker
> >
> > Network Technician/Wireless LAN Manager
> >
> > Davidson College
> >
> >
> >
> > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tony Skalski
> > Systems Administrator
> > a...@stolaf.edu
> > 507-786-3227
> > St. Olaf College
> > Information Technology
> > 1510 St. Olaf Avenue
> > Northfield, MN55057-1097
> >
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>
> ---
> Bruce Curtis bruce.cur...@ndsu.edu
> Certified NetAnalyst II701-231-8527
> North Dakota State University
>
>
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>


-- 
Tony Skalski
Systems Administrator
a...@stolaf.edu
507-786-3227
St. Olaf College
Information Technology
1510 St. Olaf Avenue
Northfield, MN55057-1097

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11k and 802.11r in BYOD

[Bruce Curtis]

> On Apr 20, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Tony Skalski  wrote:
> 
> 
> We've had 802.11k enabled for a few years. The only issue we've had was with 
> some Intel wireless chipsets. To work around this we disabled the Quiet 
> Information Element which appears in beacons and probes as part of 802.11k. 
> If you search for Intel and Quiet Information Element you can find lots more 
> info.

We have had 802.11k enabled for months rather than years.  Had to disable 
802.11k "Assisted Roaming Prediction Optimization” on our Cisco wireless since 
it appeared to cause lots of drops for clients.  

We still have 802.11k "Neighbor List Dual Band” enabled

> 
> We've never enabled 802.11r, because it is not supported by OS X. It is 
> supported on iOS but not sure about other OSes.


This says that OS X has supported 802.11r starting with Mavericks 10.9.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-2/b_Enterprise_Best_Practices_for_Apple_Devices_on_Cisco_Wireless_LAN.pdf


I think the showstopper is Microsoft devices.

"Not all Windows 10 devices support 802.11k, 802.11v, and 802.11r.”

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/mt484190(v=vs.85).aspx




> 
> Environment: about 5,000 daily associations, close to 4,000 of which are BYOD.
> 
> ajs
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Voelker, Andy  wrote:
> I’m sure this question gets recycled occasionally, but I wanted to check in 
> on everyone’s experience with these two protocols in a very BYOD environment. 
>  I just became a WLAN admin in August and I’m finally to the point where I 
> can tweak some finer details of the network.  We have 1600 residential 
> students that bring all kinds of devices.  I’m particularly interested in 
> 802.11k since it has been out for a while and I think device compatibility or 
> at least tolerance is pretty good.  What about 802.11r?
> 
>  
> 
> I appreciate your thoughts. 
> 
>  
> 
> ​
> 
> Andy Voelker
> 
> Network Technician/Wireless LAN Manager
> 
> Davidson College
> 
>  
> 
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at 
> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tony Skalski
> Systems Administrator
> a...@stolaf.edu
> 507-786-3227
> St. Olaf College
> Information Technology
> 1510 St. Olaf Avenue
> Northfield, MN55057-1097
> 
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at 
> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
> 

---
Bruce Curtis bruce.cur...@ndsu.edu
Certified NetAnalyst II701-231-8527
North Dakota State University


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11k and 802.11r in BYOD

[Tony Skalski]

We've had 802.11k enabled for a few years. The only issue we've had was
with some Intel wireless chipsets. To work around this we disabled the
Quiet Information Element which appears in beacons and probes as part of
802.11k. If you search for Intel and Quiet Information Element you can find
lots more info.

We've never enabled 802.11r, because it is not supported by OS X. It is
supported on iOS but not sure about other OSes.

Environment: about 5,000 daily associations, close to 4,000 of which are
BYOD.

ajs



On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Voelker, Andy 
wrote:

> I’m sure this question gets recycled occasionally, but I wanted to check
> in on everyone’s experience with these two protocols in a very BYOD
> environment.  I just became a WLAN admin in August and I’m finally to the
> point where I can tweak some finer details of the network.  We have 1600
> residential students that bring all kinds of devices.  I’m particularly
> interested in 802.11k since it has been out for a while and I think device
> compatibility or at least tolerance is pretty good.  What about 802.11r?
>
>
>
> I appreciate your thoughts.
>
>
>
> ​
>
> Andy Voelker
>
> Network Technician/Wireless LAN Manager
>
> Davidson College
>
>
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at
> http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
>
>


-- 
Tony Skalski
Systems Administrator
a...@stolaf.edu
507-786-3227
St. Olaf College
Information Technology
1510 St. Olaf Avenue
Northfield, MN55057-1097

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802.11k and 802.11r in BYOD

[Voelker, Andy]

I’m sure this question gets recycled occasionally, but I wanted to check in on 
everyone’s experience with these two protocols in a very BYOD environment.  I 
just became a WLAN admin in August and I’m finally to the point where I can 
tweak some finer details of the network.  We have 1600 residential students 
that bring all kinds of devices.  I’m particularly interested in 802.11k since 
it has been out for a while and I think device compatibility or at least 
tolerance is pretty good.  What about 802.11r?

I appreciate your thoughts.

​
Andy Voelker
Network Technician/Wireless LAN Manager
Davidson College


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