Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Jonathan Waldrep]

> I’m not speaking to my security model.
Fair enough. I should have re-read your email to remember the original
context of the statements before responding.

> public-sector entities [...] asking that someone else “solve” the problem
for them e.g. govroam
My understanding is the primary goal is for public sector entities to work
better with each other (and optionally, places that frequently work with
public servants and wish to provide the service). For example, a police
officer's devices connect at the police station and the court house, the
EMT's devices connect at the hospital and firehouse, etc. As for the
security side, fire my previous comment toward the public entities.

--
Jonathan Waldrep
Network Engineer
Network Infrastructure and Services
Virginia Tech

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:20 PM, Jeffrey D. Sessler <j...@scrippscollege.edu>
wrote:

> I’m not speaking to my security model. I’m speaking of all these
> public-sector entities that can’t seem to support their mobile workforce,
> and are asking that someone else “solve” the problem for them e.g. govroam.
>
>
>
> Maybe the solution is to abandon both eduroam and govroam and create a
> global “unsecureroam” that everyone can use, and understands its posture.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.
> EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Jonathan Waldrep <wald...@vt.edu>
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> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam
>
>
>
> @Jeff - If you are concerned with users accessing sensitive services over
> an inappropriate network (e.g., anything that is not the local campus
> network), then only make the services available on the appropriate networks
> (e.g., vpn). The same false sense of security exists when someone is
> working from home, and that is something that is already happening all the
> time. If your security model doesn't account for this, then it is already
> broken.
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

I’m not speaking to my security model. I’m speaking of all these public-sector 
entities that can’t seem to support their mobile workforce, and are asking that 
someone else “solve” the problem for them e.g. govroam.

Maybe the solution is to abandon both eduroam and govroam and create a global 
“unsecureroam” that everyone can use, and understands its posture.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of Jonathan Waldrep <wald...@vt.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 12:13 PM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

@Jeff - If you are concerned with users accessing sensitive services over an 
inappropriate network (e.g., anything that is not the local campus network), 
then only make the services available on the appropriate networks (e.g., vpn). 
The same false sense of security exists when someone is working from home, and 
that is something that is already happening all the time. If your security 
model doesn't account for this, then it is already broken.

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

Like user confusion with eduroam, users of govroam are unlikely to make the 
mental connection that govroam is the same as the open Starbucks network. In 
providing the global service, there is a built-in belief/expectation that 
govroam (like eduroam) is the same be it at your local company/university as it 
is when at another location. Nothing can be further from the truth. The simple 
user/device-authentication giving yet another false layer of comfort to the 
user’s perception of the service.

With InfoSec, we want the user to act with muscle memory. When a user walks 
into a Starbucks and connects to WiFi, the mental light bulb goes off reminding 
them that they better be using VPN, and perhaps not use it for business 
activity. It’s Starbucks after all – not my company’s network. Does the 
light-bulb go off when they automatically roam onto eduroam or govroam at a 
third-party location? Again, if they use them day-to-day at their home office, 
what’s the trigger that they need to treat it differently when away from the 
office? In downtown locations, can they even distinguish between govroam 
broadcast by their public-sector entity, and say the university across the 
street?

Why aren’t the IT offices of these public-sector entities issuing these 
public-sector workers mobile hotspots, and call it a day? It seems like govroam 
just transfers the costs, and some liability, for providing robust mobile IT 
support to others.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of Tomo <t...@london.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Hi Jeff

I’m not sure that’s entirely the case, or it wouldn’t be over here.

The University, by providing govroam, would be acting like any other Wifi 
hotspot service, albeit without a captive portal because of the 802.1x roaming. 
You can see the authentication outer-ID username and accept/reject message like 
you can for any other eduroam or govroam user, but that’s about it.

Would Starbucks get implicated in a PII leak if I went and exposed a bunch of 
data of my enterprise data over their Wifi? I would suggest not, but I would be 
in line for disciplinary action, and the data controller of the enterprise data 
would be hauled over the coals by the regulator if it was found that 
inappropriate measures hadn’t been taken by the data controller to ensure the 
employee did the right thing through a combination of technical measures and 
procedures.

I would suggest it’s down to the public sector IT departments to ensure that 
their users access and use the data that they have access to appropriately, and 
that they should treat govroam like any other untrusted network, albeit with 
easy upfront authentication to get onto the network. You would hope that there 
would be additional layers of security and technical/process measures in place 
to protect the transactions of the public sector employee but that really is 
the remit of their data controller and IT people, not your network?

I should have said in my previous email, I understand govroam is not just a UK 
thing, other European countries are also joining in.

_

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: 04 January 2018 18:26
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Seems ripe for PII to leak via independently run WiFi networks that broadcast 
govroam, yet are under no obligation to “do the right thing” with the public 
sector data flowing over their private networks. And by providing this at the 
university, does the university suddenly become a party to legal action should 
there be a data leak while a public sector employee is using govroam at their 
campus?

This seems like a big InfoSec headache I’d rather avoid altogether.

Jeff



From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>"

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Tomo]

Hi Jeff

I’m not sure that’s entirely the case, or it wouldn’t be over here.

The University, by providing govroam, would be acting like any other Wifi 
hotspot service, albeit without a captive portal because of the 802.1x roaming. 
You can see the authentication outer-ID username and accept/reject message like 
you can for any other eduroam or govroam user, but that’s about it.

Would Starbucks get implicated in a PII leak if I went and exposed a bunch of 
data of my enterprise data over their Wifi? I would suggest not, but I would be 
in line for disciplinary action, and the data controller of the enterprise data 
would be hauled over the coals by the regulator if it was found that 
inappropriate measures hadn’t been taken by the data controller to ensure the 
employee did the right thing through a combination of technical measures and 
procedures.

I would suggest it’s down to the public sector IT departments to ensure that 
their users access and use the data that they have access to appropriately, and 
that they should treat govroam like any other untrusted network, albeit with 
easy upfront authentication to get onto the network. You would hope that there 
would be additional layers of security and technical/process measures in place 
to protect the transactions of the public sector employee but that really is 
the remit of their data controller and IT people, not your network?

I should have said in my previous email, I understand govroam is not just a UK 
thing, other European countries are also joining in.

_

Tomo | Senior Infrastructure Engineer - Networks, Telecoms & Security | 
Information Technology.
London Business School | Regent's Park | London NW1 4SA | United Kingdom.
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: 04 January 2018 18:26
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Seems ripe for PII to leak via independently run WiFi networks that broadcast 
govroam, yet are under no obligation to “do the right thing” with the public 
sector data flowing over their private networks. And by providing this at the 
university, does the university suddenly become a party to legal action should 
there be a data leak while a public sector employee is using govroam at their 
campus?

This seems like a big InfoSec headache I’d rather avoid altogether.

Jeff



From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Tomo <t...@london.edu<mailto:t...@london.edu>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:54 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

I can fill in a bit of background here, as I was party to some of the early 
meetings about the London govroam project.

The Wifi provision in the public sector in the UK is a bit of a uncoordinated 
mess. Every bit of the public sector does their own thing. Public sector 
colleagues can’t use each others Wifi. So a social worker attending a police 
station can’t just roam onto the police wifi. A librarian from one council area 
can’t roam onto another council library wifi elsewhere. And a community 
healthcare worker has to mess around with guest access when doing outreach at 
the local hospital. The assumption is that public sector colleagues have plenty 
of places where they could consume the wifi, and probably do via some guest 
mechanism, but waste a lot of time (and hence our money) doing that; or end up 
surviving on 3G/4G services. And there are plenty of mobile notspots.

The people who run the UK academic network and eduroam – JISC – have stood up 
the National Radius Proxy infrastructure for govroam in the UK, and are trying 
to encourage the public sector to sign up. In places they are pushing against 
an open door, in others people can’t (yet) see the point. There has been an 
initial focus on this in L

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

Seems ripe for PII to leak via independently run WiFi networks that broadcast 
govroam, yet are under no obligation to “do the right thing” with the public 
sector data flowing over their private networks. And by providing this at the 
university, does the university suddenly become a party to legal action should 
there be a data leak while a public sector employee is using govroam at their 
campus?

This seems like a big InfoSec headache I’d rather avoid altogether.

Jeff



From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
on behalf of Tomo <t...@london.edu>
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Date: Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:54 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

I can fill in a bit of background here, as I was party to some of the early 
meetings about the London govroam project.

The Wifi provision in the public sector in the UK is a bit of a uncoordinated 
mess. Every bit of the public sector does their own thing. Public sector 
colleagues can’t use each others Wifi. So a social worker attending a police 
station can’t just roam onto the police wifi. A librarian from one council area 
can’t roam onto another council library wifi elsewhere. And a community 
healthcare worker has to mess around with guest access when doing outreach at 
the local hospital. The assumption is that public sector colleagues have plenty 
of places where they could consume the wifi, and probably do via some guest 
mechanism, but waste a lot of time (and hence our money) doing that; or end up 
surviving on 3G/4G services. And there are plenty of mobile notspots.

The people who run the UK academic network and eduroam – JISC – have stood up 
the National Radius Proxy infrastructure for govroam in the UK, and are trying 
to encourage the public sector to sign up. In places they are pushing against 
an open door, in others people can’t (yet) see the point. There has been an 
initial focus on this in London, hence the blog posting you’ve picked up on. 
JISC have encouraged Universities who are already running eduroam to also turn 
on govroam. For most of us it’s a pretty simple thing to do, although it’s 
another SSID. It helps them in their conversations with the public sector to be 
able to say that your people (police, ambulance, fire, healthcare, social care, 
council workers) can hop onto good quality Wifi in all these places if you sort 
out govroam. And in big cities like London that’s a lot of places.

So what’s in it for the Universities? At the start the benefit is limited – but 
when the local council start to turn up govroam (and alongside that eduroam) in 
their buildings our students can consume their wifi in the local council 
libraries and sports facilities; maybe at a council office if they need to 
visit. In some cities where the council provide wide area public wifi you can 
get a considerable benefit. And when any public sector employees who are 
govroam enabled arrive on our campuses to assist students or our staff, they 
can get on with their jobs by being well connected.

It’s a long road, the benefits won’t be quick or easy. For some parts of public 
sector it might require a contract renewal to come up before action is taken, 
and in general the public sector moves slowly. But if enough of us do it, 
slowly they will come and join the Wifi roaming party.

Honest self-disclosure: we haven’t quite yet had time to enable govroam, but we 
will soon. One of our buildings is shared with the local council and we need to 
mess around to provide their Wifi SSIDs on our Infrastructure. When they sign 
up for an sort our govroam, we wouldn’t need to do that.

Hope that helps understanding. It’s not a quick win, more of the start of a 
journey.

_

Tomo | Senior Infrastructure Engineer - Networks, Telecoms & Security | 
Information Technology.
London Business School | Regent's Park | London NW1 4SA | United Kingdom.
Switchboard +44 (0)20 7000 7000 | Direct line +44 (0)20 7000 

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Atkins
Sent: 04 January 2018 17:06
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Thanks Philippe, that long term explanation makes sense.  Like Lee, we have 
students abroad.  I sent a quick FYI to our Infosec team to let them know users 
may eventually see eduroam 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Tomo]

I can fill in a bit of background here, as I was party to some of the early 
meetings about the London govroam project.

The Wifi provision in the public sector in the UK is a bit of a uncoordinated 
mess. Every bit of the public sector does their own thing. Public sector 
colleagues can’t use each others Wifi. So a social worker attending a police 
station can’t just roam onto the police wifi. A librarian from one council area 
can’t roam onto another council library wifi elsewhere. And a community 
healthcare worker has to mess around with guest access when doing outreach at 
the local hospital. The assumption is that public sector colleagues have plenty 
of places where they could consume the wifi, and probably do via some guest 
mechanism, but waste a lot of time (and hence our money) doing that; or end up 
surviving on 3G/4G services. And there are plenty of mobile notspots.

The people who run the UK academic network and eduroam – JISC – have stood up 
the National Radius Proxy infrastructure for govroam in the UK, and are trying 
to encourage the public sector to sign up. In places they are pushing against 
an open door, in others people can’t (yet) see the point. There has been an 
initial focus on this in London, hence the blog posting you’ve picked up on. 
JISC have encouraged Universities who are already running eduroam to also turn 
on govroam. For most of us it’s a pretty simple thing to do, although it’s 
another SSID. It helps them in their conversations with the public sector to be 
able to say that your people (police, ambulance, fire, healthcare, social care, 
council workers) can hop onto good quality Wifi in all these places if you sort 
out govroam. And in big cities like London that’s a lot of places.

So what’s in it for the Universities? At the start the benefit is limited – but 
when the local council start to turn up govroam (and alongside that eduroam) in 
their buildings our students can consume their wifi in the local council 
libraries and sports facilities; maybe at a council office if they need to 
visit. In some cities where the council provide wide area public wifi you can 
get a considerable benefit. And when any public sector employees who are 
govroam enabled arrive on our campuses to assist students or our staff, they 
can get on with their jobs by being well connected.

It’s a long road, the benefits won’t be quick or easy. For some parts of public 
sector it might require a contract renewal to come up before action is taken, 
and in general the public sector moves slowly. But if enough of us do it, 
slowly they will come and join the Wifi roaming party.

Honest self-disclosure: we haven’t quite yet had time to enable govroam, but we 
will soon. One of our buildings is shared with the local council and we need to 
mess around to provide their Wifi SSIDs on our Infrastructure. When they sign 
up for an sort our govroam, we wouldn’t need to do that.

Hope that helps understanding. It’s not a quick win, more of the start of a 
journey.

_

Tomo | Senior Infrastructure Engineer - Networks, Telecoms & Security | 
Information Technology.
London Business School | Regent's Park | London NW1 4SA | United Kingdom.
Switchboard +44 (0)20 7000 7000 | Direct line +44 (0)20 7000 

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Atkins
Sent: 04 January 2018 17:06
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Thanks Philippe, that long term explanation makes sense.  Like Lee, we have 
students abroad.  I sent a quick FYI to our Infosec team to let them know users 
may eventually see eduroam at new locations and reminded them proper device 
configuration is important.  Our joke/explanation in the past had been about 
seeing eduroam along the toll road and that you shouldn’t join it.  So much for 
that one.









Mike Atkins
Network Engineer
Office of Information Technology
University of Notre Dame

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>]
 On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 11:39 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Mike et al.,

We are starting a Govroam pilot here in the US 
(www.govroam.us<http://www.govroam.us>) with local an

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Mike Atkins]

Thanks Philippe, that long term explanation makes sense.  Like Lee, we have
students abroad.  I sent a quick FYI to our Infosec team to let them know
users may eventually see eduroam at new locations and reminded them proper
device configuration is important.  Our joke/explanation in the past had
been about seeing eduroam along the toll road and that you shouldn’t join
it.  So much for that one.



















*Mike Atkins *

Network Engineer

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Philippe Hanset
*Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 11:39 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam



Mike et al.,



We are starting a Govroam pilot here in the US (www.govroam.us) with local
and state government and eventually federal.

We don’t envision many schools adding the Govroam SSID or Government
agencies adding the eduroam SSID unless there very specific use cases.

On the other end by creating those two roaming communities early on we (as
all of us) will be ready when Passpoint/Hotspot2.0 becomes more wide spread.

Once your infrastructure supports Hotspot2.0 you will be able to add
local/state/federal roaming communities to your network quite easily.

Adding a roaming community to the broadcast frame of Hotspot2.0 will be so
much easier than adding yet another SSID!



We do not know all your use cases (gov/edu) of course, feel free to share
so we can design accordingly.



(please excuse our laconic govroam and anyroam websites we are in the
middle of completely revamping them with useful info)



and BTW, Happy New Year y’all :)



Philippe



Philippe Hanset, CEO

www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770

GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C






On Jan 4, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Mike Atkins <matk...@nd.edu <matk...@nd.edu>>
wrote:



Does anyone have more detail on this?



More public Wi-Fi across London with Eduroam & Govroam

https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/public-wi-fi-across-london-eduroam-govroam/









*Mike Atkins *

Network Engineer

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Philippe Hanset]

Mike et al.,

We are starting a Govroam pilot here in the US (www.govroam.us) with local and 
state government and eventually federal.
We don’t envision many schools adding the Govroam SSID or Government agencies 
adding the eduroam SSID unless there very specific use cases.
On the other end by creating those two roaming communities early on we (as all 
of us) will be ready when Passpoint/Hotspot2.0 becomes more wide spread.
Once your infrastructure supports Hotspot2.0 you will be able to add 
local/state/federal roaming communities to your network quite easily.
Adding a roaming community to the broadcast frame of Hotspot2.0 will be so much 
easier than adding yet another SSID!

We do not know all your use cases (gov/edu) of course, feel free to share so we 
can design accordingly.

(please excuse our laconic govroam and anyroam websites we are in the middle of 
completely revamping them with useful info)

and BTW, Happy New Year y’all :)

Philippe

Philippe Hanset, CEO
www.anyroam.net
www.eduroam.us
+1 (865) 236-0770

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> On Jan 4, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Mike Atkins  wrote:
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> Does anyone have more detail on this?
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> More public Wi-Fi across London with Eduroam & Govroam
> https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/public-wi-fi-across-london-eduroam-govroam/
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> Mike Atkins 
> Network Engineer
> Office of Information Technology
> University of Notre Dame
> Phone: 574-631-7210
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Fredrik L. Andersen]

Hi,

Govroam is built on same principle as Eduroam, but it’s to be used in public 
sector. 

https://govroam.nl/english/

Brgs

Fredrik L. Andersen
+ 47 930 888 15

Sendt fra min iPhone

> 4. jan. 2018 kl. 14:48 skrev Lee H Badman :
> 
> First I've heard of the Govroam program. We have a campus in London, but not 
> sure why anyone would just add Govroam to their Eduroam spaces. The writer 
> says both are "free" which discounts capacity and bandwidth needed to provide 
> the services. We already see huge amounts of Eduroam "squatters", not in a 
> hurry to donate network to the government as well.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Mike Atkins [matk...@nd.edu]
> Received: Thursday, 04 Jan 2018, 8:34
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam
> 
> Does anyone have more detail on this?
>  
> More public Wi-Fi across London with Eduroam & Govroam
> https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/public-wi-fi-across-london-eduroam-govroam/
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Mike Atkins
> Network Engineer
> Office of Information Technology
> University of Notre Dame
> Phone: 574-631-7210
>  
>  
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

[Lee H Badman]

First I've heard of the Govroam program. We have a campus in London, but not 
sure why anyone would just add Govroam to their Eduroam spaces. The writer says 
both are "free" which discounts capacity and bandwidth needed to provide the 
services. We already see huge amounts of Eduroam "squatters", not in a hurry to 
donate network to the government as well.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Atkins [matk...@nd.edu]
Received: Thursday, 04 Jan 2018, 8:34
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam and Govroam

Does anyone have more detail on this?

More public Wi-Fi across London with Eduroam & Govroam
https://wifinowevents.com/news-and-blog/public-wi-fi-across-london-eduroam-govroam/




Mike Atkins
Network Engineer
Office of Information Technology
University of Notre Dame
Phone: 574-631-7210


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