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Re: [WiX-users] Future of Votive?

2007-06-09 Thread Christopher Painter
Sorry to hear how swamped you are. If Votive had a File System designer today 
that could also `puncture` components and safeguard the developers from the 
component rules,  I do believe I would start using WiX in my production 
installers starting Monday and blogging about how great it is on Tuesday.
   
  This is pretty much where I wish we were heading...
   
  
http://blog.deploymentengineering.com/2007/06/wix-wixaware-thinking-about-future.html
   
  Chris

Justin Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
Yes, there are plans to add designers to Votive. It's been on my list 
for a while, but unfortunately my spare time has been rare the past few months. 
I think the first designers will probably be very basic and rudimentary (I'm 
thinking of registry and file/directory editors), but eventually more will 
come. The challenging part will be to create the architecture for supporting 
designer extensions. So, for example, somebody writes a Wix extension to work 
with Media Center. They could also write an editor for that same extension and 
have it plug into Votive automatically once the extension is referenced from 
the wixproj. All sorts of cool ideas, but it'll probably be a while before 
they're in at the rate I'm going, unfortunately.
   
  Anyway, thanks for your suggestions. It's stuff that's already on my radar, 
but it's good to know that other people want it, too.
   
  Justin
   
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jared Ashman
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:47 PM
To: Christopher Painter
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Future of Votive?

   
  Not sure about the Votive information, but if you pass -gg to heat as an 
option it will generate guids for you instead of inserting the "PUT-GUID-HERE" 
message.
On 6/8/07, Christopher Painter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've been playing with Votive and I really like the way it plugs into VS 
and uses MSBuild.  My installs are primarily InstallShield based, and they will 
remain that way, but I would like to break some of the xcopy type logic out 
into seperate merge modules and let developers maintain them. 

 

My developers looked at Votive and basically said that they have no 
intention of entering raw xml to maintaing the dir/file trees associated with 
these merge modules.

 

Will Votive ever have a Right Click | View Designer feature?   The perfect 
tool for me would take the VS features the Votive already has and give a vey 
simple drag and drop approach to directory structure creation similar to the 
way VDPROJ does it. 

 

The tool would need to automaically generate relative path file links and 
be very careful to not let developers do stupid things.  We are trying to 
support minor upgrades so features like `deprecate file`  to cause transitive 
style puncturing of components would be really good.

 

I tried playing with heat but my developer don't want to have to use the 
command line and they want to be able to easily add and remove from the tree as 
needed. 

 

Eitherway I have a question about heat I notice that it sets components 
to Guid="PUT-GUID-HERE" and uses absolute paths instead of relative paths in 
the Source attribute.   When you import a large directory structure, whats the 
easiest way to update those?  It seems very annonying to have to go through 
hundreds of these to get an WXS file that will properly work. 

 


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Re: [WiX-users] Future of Votive?

2007-06-09 Thread Christopher Painter
Is there a switch to tell it to use Relative Paths for the Source Attribute or 
is that search and replace time?
   
  Btw, -gg isn't documented when you say heat /?   Where is that documented?
   
  

Jared Ashman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Not sure about the Votive information, but if you pass -gg to heat as an 
option it will generate guids for you instead of inserting the "PUT-GUID-HERE" 
message.

  On 6/8/07, Christopher Painter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I've been 
playing with Votive and I really like the way it plugs into VS and uses 
MSBuild.  My installs are primarily InstallShield based, and they will remain 
that way, but I would like to break some of the xcopy type logic out into 
seperate merge modules and let developers maintain them. 
   
  My developers looked at Votive and basically said that they have no intention 
of entering raw xml to maintaing the dir/file trees associated with these merge 
modules.
   
  Will Votive ever have a Right Click | View Designer feature?   The perfect 
tool for me would take the VS features the Votive already has and give a vey 
simple drag and drop approach to directory structure creation similar to the 
way VDPROJ does it. 
   
  The tool would need to automaically generate relative path file links and be 
very careful to not let developers do stupid things.  We are trying to support 
minor upgrades so features like `deprecate file`  to cause transitive style 
puncturing of components would be really good.
   
  I tried playing with heat but my developer don't want to have to use the 
command line and they want to be able to easily add and remove from the tree as 
needed. 
   
  Eitherway I have a question about heat I notice that it sets components 
to Guid="PUT-GUID-HERE" and uses absolute paths instead of relative paths in 
the Source attribute.   When you import a large directory structure, whats the 
easiest way to update those?  It seems very annonying to have to go through 
hundreds of these to get an WXS file that will properly work. 
   
  
  
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