Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
Sorry, I misunderstood, and the reference to NTFS didn't prompt me to what you were saying. String table entries can permit a longer displayed shortcut name where you are not limited by the filesystem limitations (abet much more permissive than 8.3 was). That also allows you to show otherwise illegal characters AND makes localization easier (and makes MUI possible). FAT32 also fully supports LFNs as well, so the filesystem doesn't (usually) matter. And for the cases where you plug a floppy disc into your computer (assuming you still have one of those drives) the OS might even create a "shadow directory file" that contains your LFNs. Installer still makes use of the 8.3 names as part of its resource identities, but if you don't supply them then WiX will generate stable names. The only time you would be required to supply them would be the rare cases where there was a collision. In that case create your own short name for the newly added resource of the two, so that you don't cause the already existing resource to have a name change. The user would have to go out of his way to see the 8.3 name on NT-class platforms, but they still can be viewed even today. -Original Message- From: Chad Petersen [mailto:chad.peter...@harlandfs.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:44 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? An 8.3 filename (also called a short filename or SFN) is a filename convention used by old versions of DOS and versions of Microsoft Windows prior to Windows 95 and Windows NT 3.51. It is also used in modern Microsoft operating systems as an alternate filename to the long filename for compatibility with legacy programs. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Thanks Chad as I did not notice I said that. I definitely mean a "short name" or 8.3 name. I would just as soon not clutter my .wxs file with them if I don't need them and so am wondering on XP forward in what cases a user would see one of the auto generated short names if I did not specify them and so whether I really needed to specify them. Thanks for pointing that out. - Dave -Original Message- From: Chad Petersen [mailto:chad.peter...@harlandfs.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:22 PM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Be careful there. A short name (8.3 convention) is different than a Shortcut, which is what your subject line implies. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Blair thanks but I have to confess to not understanding that explanation at all. What would be such a case that an XP or Vista user saw a short name instead of the NTFS name? - Dave -Original Message- From: Blair [mailto:os...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:22 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Shortcut names are exposed to users on XP systems and may be exposed to them on Vista systems, depending on whether they have had a native resource dll string table entry assigned to them. The windows shell which is responsible for showing the start menu is either all or mostly native code, the .net version doesn't matter (just the underlying platform). The disk format doesn't matter either. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list W
Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
An 8.3 filename (also called a short filename or SFN) is a filename convention used by old versions of DOS and versions of Microsoft Windows prior to Windows 95 and Windows NT 3.51. It is also used in modern Microsoft operating systems as an alternate filename to the long filename for compatibility with legacy programs. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Thanks Chad as I did not notice I said that. I definitely mean a "short name" or 8.3 name. I would just as soon not clutter my .wxs file with them if I don't need them and so am wondering on XP forward in what cases a user would see one of the auto generated short names if I did not specify them and so whether I really needed to specify them. Thanks for pointing that out. - Dave -Original Message- From: Chad Petersen [mailto:chad.peter...@harlandfs.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:22 PM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Be careful there. A short name (8.3 convention) is different than a Shortcut, which is what your subject line implies. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Blair thanks but I have to confess to not understanding that explanation at all. What would be such a case that an XP or Vista user saw a short name instead of the NTFS name? - Dave -Original Message- From: Blair [mailto:os...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:22 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Shortcut names are exposed to users on XP systems and may be exposed to them on Vista systems, depending on whether they have had a native resource dll string table entry assigned to them. The windows shell which is responsible for showing the start menu is either all or mostly native code, the .net version doesn't matter (just the underlying platform). The disk format doesn't matter either. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
Thanks Chad as I did not notice I said that. I definitely mean a "short name" or 8.3 name. I would just as soon not clutter my .wxs file with them if I don't need them and so am wondering on XP forward in what cases a user would see one of the auto generated short names if I did not specify them and so whether I really needed to specify them. Thanks for pointing that out. - Dave -Original Message- From: Chad Petersen [mailto:chad.peter...@harlandfs.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:22 PM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Be careful there. A short name (8.3 convention) is different than a Shortcut, which is what your subject line implies. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Blair thanks but I have to confess to not understanding that explanation at all. What would be such a case that an XP or Vista user saw a short name instead of the NTFS name? - Dave -Original Message- From: Blair [mailto:os...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:22 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Shortcut names are exposed to users on XP systems and may be exposed to them on Vista systems, depending on whether they have had a native resource dll string table entry assigned to them. The windows shell which is responsible for showing the start menu is either all or mostly native code, the .net version doesn't matter (just the underlying platform). The disk format doesn't matter either. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
Be careful there. A short name (8.3 convention) is different than a Shortcut, which is what your subject line implies. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Blair thanks but I have to confess to not understanding that explanation at all. What would be such a case that an XP or Vista user saw a short name instead of the NTFS name? - Dave -Original Message- From: Blair [mailto:os...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:22 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Shortcut names are exposed to users on XP systems and may be exposed to them on Vista systems, depending on whether they have had a native resource dll string table entry assigned to them. The windows shell which is responsible for showing the start menu is either all or mostly native code, the .net version doesn't matter (just the underlying platform). The disk format doesn't matter either. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:15 PM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? I don't use any shortcut names in my install and notice they are generated for me with some seemingly random letters. Are actual shortcut names even useful on any .NET 3.5 system which is the requirement for my application? I'm also OK with requiring an NTFS [non FAT32] disk though I'm not sure on how one would test for that. Thanks, Dave -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
Blair thanks but I have to confess to not understanding that explanation at all. What would be such a case that an XP or Vista user saw a short name instead of the NTFS name? - Dave -Original Message- From: Blair [mailto:os...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:22 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? Shortcut names are exposed to users on XP systems and may be exposed to them on Vista systems, depending on whether they have had a native resource dll string table entry assigned to them. The windows shell which is responsible for showing the start menu is either all or mostly native code, the .net version doesn't matter (just the underlying platform). The disk format doesn't matter either. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:15 PM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? I don't use any shortcut names in my install and notice they are generated for me with some seemingly random letters. Are actual shortcut names even useful on any .NET 3.5 system which is the requirement for my application? I'm also OK with requiring an NTFS [non FAT32] disk though I'm not sure on how one would test for that. Thanks, Dave -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
Shortcut names are exposed to users on XP systems and may be exposed to them on Vista systems, depending on whether they have had a native resource dll string table entry assigned to them. The windows shell which is responsible for showing the start menu is either all or mostly native code, the .net version doesn't matter (just the underlying platform). The disk format doesn't matter either. -Original Message- From: Dave Kolb [mailto:d...@dotnetcodeslingers.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:15 PM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: [WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore? I don't use any shortcut names in my install and notice they are generated for me with some seemingly random letters. Are actual shortcut names even useful on any .NET 3.5 system which is the requirement for my application? I'm also OK with requiring an NTFS [non FAT32] disk though I'm not sure on how one would test for that. Thanks, Dave -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] Are shortcut names even useful anymore?
I don't use any shortcut names in my install and notice they are generated for me with some seemingly random letters. Are actual shortcut names even useful on any .NET 3.5 system which is the requirement for my application? I'm also OK with requiring an NTFS [non FAT32] disk though I'm not sure on how one would test for that. Thanks, Dave -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
