Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
I'm not having a whole lot of luck with anything I am trying. No matter what the certificate uninstall action keeps running (and breaking). One thing that I don't understand is that I created an MSI built with 3.5 and then did a /fv to replace the cached MSI . This allows the uninstall to occur, but leaves all of the files/changes/etc. on the system. Then after this, I am still having issues installing a new package. Having more certificate issues during the install. Not sure if it is more issues with the IIS cert extension or what. I am losing comfort with this extension/feature. We are to the point of looking into drastic measures, like replacing the cached msi on the system, adjusting the registry, etc. to make Windows think the replaced msi is the original. I am not looking forward to this as I have a feeling it is going to be very messy. Any other suggestions are welcome. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Andy Clugston clug...@gmail.com wrote: So I created a new version (major upgrade) of the product. I adjusted RemoveExistingProducts to run after InstallFinalize. This didn't seem to help at all. It still attempts to remove the cert, and I have the same errors. Thanks. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Andy Clugston clug...@gmail.com wrote: I assume when you say take the original installer you mean bump one of the three version digits and generate a new product version installer, i.e. 1.1.0 to 1.1.1, generate new product GUID, etc. Where this all started was trying to get a newer version of the product on the system. If I can make the RemoveExistingProducts changes to it and that actually works, then we should not need to figure out how to uninstall it first. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.com wrote: Correct. Having thought about it a bit more, this might be a better idea: Take the original installer (or whatever is the current release). Make a major upgrade out of it in the normal way. Schedule RemoveExistingProducts in one of the latter two places mentioned in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa371197%28v=vs.85%29 .aspx Build it with WiX 3.5 That'll create a major upgrade that shouldn't touch the certificate component. Being built with WiX 3.5, removal might then succeed. I'm not sure what the WiX team would say about mixing toolset versions like that but I'd guess there are risks, so you'd have to test thoroughly. You'd have to do the same thing with the second product too since you don't know which one will be removed last and will perform the actual certificate uninstallation. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 17:20 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs Okay, so what you are saying is that I cannot skip individual components during uninstall, correct? I am not sure if these would work or not. We don't have minor installs, we use the third digit, but it is a full install. This product installs the certificate, and another product re-installs the identical certificate. For some reason WiX 3.0 does not like this. I would have to dig up the bug report, but I did run across it. During our tests with WiX 3.5 this issue seems to be resolved. Now, we could get into a conversation about cross product dependencies, etc. but I was not involved with any of those decisions so I am just trying to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure the extra installer is going to help. It appears that anything touching the original certificate on the system causes the original WiX 3.0 MSI to fail. Yes, the install would ensure the cert is on the system, but the uninstall for the original WiX 3.0 MSI package would still fail. Thanks for the help. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: As far as I can think, you can only selectively uninstall entire features without using permanent components. If the conditions are broken, would patching/minor updating them solve your problem ? I'm not sure what the WiX bug is that you're referring to. Otherwise, you could write an extra installer that only includes the component you want to keep, install that, then remove the original one. The extra reference would retain the component on the machine until you took both installers off. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 16:15 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version
[WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version of the toolset. We are unable to uninstall/upgrade from this specific version in the field. I would like to know if there is a way during the uninstall (i.e. msiexec /x .) to pass command line parameters/properties to skip the uninstall of specific components, in this case the certificate that is giving us problems. The original authoring has conditions to skip the certificates when installing the product. Passing these properties during the uninstall does not seem to skip them during the uninstall process (like I was hoping it would). Ultimately, we have tested with WiX 3.5 and the bug appears to be fixed. So, we would like to be able to get the old version of the product uninstalled, leaving the certificate it originally installed behind, and then with the new WiX 3.5-built package reinstall the certificate hoping to workaround this original WiX 3.0 issue. If there is no other way to selectively uninstall, is there a possible way of forcibly causing the uninstall to succeed (understanding that some artifacts might be left behind)? I have all of the details of the original installation package, so if anything can be done I would very much appreciate the help. Thanks. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
As far as I can think, you can only selectively uninstall entire features without using permanent components. If the conditions are broken, would patching/minor updating them solve your problem ? I'm not sure what the WiX bug is that you're referring to. Otherwise, you could write an extra installer that only includes the component you want to keep, install that, then remove the original one. The extra reference would retain the component on the machine until you took both installers off. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 16:15 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version of the toolset. We are unable to uninstall/upgrade from this specific version in the field. I would like to know if there is a way during the uninstall (i.e. msiexec /x .) to pass command line parameters/properties to skip the uninstall of specific components, in this case the certificate that is giving us problems. The original authoring has conditions to skip the certificates when installing the product. Passing these properties during the uninstall does not seem to skip them during the uninstall process (like I was hoping it would). Ultimately, we have tested with WiX 3.5 and the bug appears to be fixed. So, we would like to be able to get the old version of the product uninstalled, leaving the certificate it originally installed behind, and then with the new WiX 3.5-built package reinstall the certificate hoping to workaround this original WiX 3.0 issue. If there is no other way to selectively uninstall, is there a possible way of forcibly causing the uninstall to succeed (understanding that some artifacts might be left behind)? I have all of the details of the original installation package, so if anything can be done I would very much appreciate the help. Thanks. - - Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users SDL PLC confidential, all rights reserved. If you are not the intended recipient of this mail SDL requests and requires that you delete it without acting upon or copying any of its contents, and we further request that you advise us. SDL PLC is a public limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 02675207. Registered address: Globe House, Clivemont Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire SL6 7DY, UK. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
Okay, so what you are saying is that I cannot skip individual components during uninstall, correct? I am not sure if these would work or not. We don't have minor installs, we use the third digit, but it is a full install. This product installs the certificate, and another product re-installs the identical certificate. For some reason WiX 3.0 does not like this. I would have to dig up the bug report, but I did run across it. During our tests with WiX 3.5 this issue seems to be resolved. Now, we could get into a conversation about cross product dependencies, etc. but I was not involved with any of those decisions so I am just trying to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure the extra installer is going to help. It appears that anything touching the original certificate on the system causes the original WiX 3.0 MSI to fail. Yes, the install would ensure the cert is on the system, but the uninstall for the original WiX 3.0 MSI package would still fail. Thanks for the help. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: As far as I can think, you can only selectively uninstall entire features without using permanent components. If the conditions are broken, would patching/minor updating them solve your problem ? I'm not sure what the WiX bug is that you're referring to. Otherwise, you could write an extra installer that only includes the component you want to keep, install that, then remove the original one. The extra reference would retain the component on the machine until you took both installers off. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 16:15 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version of the toolset. We are unable to uninstall/upgrade from this specific version in the field. I would like to know if there is a way during the uninstall (i.e. msiexec /x .) to pass command line parameters/properties to skip the uninstall of specific components, in this case the certificate that is giving us problems. The original authoring has conditions to skip the certificates when installing the product. Passing these properties during the uninstall does not seem to skip them during the uninstall process (like I was hoping it would). Ultimately, we have tested with WiX 3.5 and the bug appears to be fixed. So, we would like to be able to get the old version of the product uninstalled, leaving the certificate it originally installed behind, and then with the new WiX 3.5-built package reinstall the certificate hoping to workaround this original WiX 3.0 issue. If there is no other way to selectively uninstall, is there a possible way of forcibly causing the uninstall to succeed (understanding that some artifacts might be left behind)? I have all of the details of the original installation package, so if anything can be done I would very much appreciate the help. Thanks. - - Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users SDL PLC confidential, all rights reserved. If you are not the intended recipient of this mail SDL requests and requires that you delete it without acting upon or copying any of its contents, and we further request that you advise us. SDL PLC is a public limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 02675207. Registered address: Globe House, Clivemont Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire SL6 7DY, UK. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat
Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
Correct. Having thought about it a bit more, this might be a better idea: Take the original installer (or whatever is the current release). Make a major upgrade out of it in the normal way. Schedule RemoveExistingProducts in one of the latter two places mentioned in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa371197%28v=vs.85%29 .aspx Build it with WiX 3.5 That'll create a major upgrade that shouldn't touch the certificate component. Being built with WiX 3.5, removal might then succeed. I'm not sure what the WiX team would say about mixing toolset versions like that but I'd guess there are risks, so you'd have to test thoroughly. You'd have to do the same thing with the second product too since you don't know which one will be removed last and will perform the actual certificate uninstallation. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 17:20 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs Okay, so what you are saying is that I cannot skip individual components during uninstall, correct? I am not sure if these would work or not. We don't have minor installs, we use the third digit, but it is a full install. This product installs the certificate, and another product re-installs the identical certificate. For some reason WiX 3.0 does not like this. I would have to dig up the bug report, but I did run across it. During our tests with WiX 3.5 this issue seems to be resolved. Now, we could get into a conversation about cross product dependencies, etc. but I was not involved with any of those decisions so I am just trying to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure the extra installer is going to help. It appears that anything touching the original certificate on the system causes the original WiX 3.0 MSI to fail. Yes, the install would ensure the cert is on the system, but the uninstall for the original WiX 3.0 MSI package would still fail. Thanks for the help. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: As far as I can think, you can only selectively uninstall entire features without using permanent components. If the conditions are broken, would patching/minor updating them solve your problem ? I'm not sure what the WiX bug is that you're referring to. Otherwise, you could write an extra installer that only includes the component you want to keep, install that, then remove the original one. The extra reference would retain the component on the machine until you took both installers off. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 16:15 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version of the toolset. We are unable to uninstall/upgrade from this specific version in the field. I would like to know if there is a way during the uninstall (i.e. msiexec /x .) to pass command line parameters/properties to skip the uninstall of specific components, in this case the certificate that is giving us problems. The original authoring has conditions to skip the certificates when installing the product. Passing these properties during the uninstall does not seem to skip them during the uninstall process (like I was hoping it would). Ultimately, we have tested with WiX 3.5 and the bug appears to be fixed. So, we would like to be able to get the old version of the product uninstalled, leaving the certificate it originally installed behind, and then with the new WiX 3.5-built package reinstall the certificate hoping to workaround this original WiX 3.0 issue. If there is no other way to selectively uninstall, is there a possible way of forcibly causing the uninstall to succeed (understanding that some artifacts might be left behind)? I have all of the details of the original installation package, so if anything can be done I would very much appreciate the help. Thanks. -- --- - Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users SDL PLC confidential, all rights reserved. If you
Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
I assume when you say take the original installer you mean bump one of the three version digits and generate a new product version installer, i.e. 1.1.0 to 1.1.1, generate new product GUID, etc. Where this all started was trying to get a newer version of the product on the system. If I can make the RemoveExistingProducts changes to it and that actually works, then we should not need to figure out how to uninstall it first. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: Correct. Having thought about it a bit more, this might be a better idea: Take the original installer (or whatever is the current release). Make a major upgrade out of it in the normal way. Schedule RemoveExistingProducts in one of the latter two places mentioned in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa371197%28v=vs.85%29 .aspx Build it with WiX 3.5 That'll create a major upgrade that shouldn't touch the certificate component. Being built with WiX 3.5, removal might then succeed. I'm not sure what the WiX team would say about mixing toolset versions like that but I'd guess there are risks, so you'd have to test thoroughly. You'd have to do the same thing with the second product too since you don't know which one will be removed last and will perform the actual certificate uninstallation. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 17:20 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs Okay, so what you are saying is that I cannot skip individual components during uninstall, correct? I am not sure if these would work or not. We don't have minor installs, we use the third digit, but it is a full install. This product installs the certificate, and another product re-installs the identical certificate. For some reason WiX 3.0 does not like this. I would have to dig up the bug report, but I did run across it. During our tests with WiX 3.5 this issue seems to be resolved. Now, we could get into a conversation about cross product dependencies, etc. but I was not involved with any of those decisions so I am just trying to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure the extra installer is going to help. It appears that anything touching the original certificate on the system causes the original WiX 3.0 MSI to fail. Yes, the install would ensure the cert is on the system, but the uninstall for the original WiX 3.0 MSI package would still fail. Thanks for the help. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: As far as I can think, you can only selectively uninstall entire features without using permanent components. If the conditions are broken, would patching/minor updating them solve your problem ? I'm not sure what the WiX bug is that you're referring to. Otherwise, you could write an extra installer that only includes the component you want to keep, install that, then remove the original one. The extra reference would retain the component on the machine until you took both installers off. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 16:15 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version of the toolset. We are unable to uninstall/upgrade from this specific version in the field. I would like to know if there is a way during the uninstall (i.e. msiexec /x .) to pass command line parameters/properties to skip the uninstall of specific components, in this case the certificate that is giving us problems. The original authoring has conditions to skip the certificates when installing the product. Passing these properties during the uninstall does not seem to skip them during the uninstall process (like I was hoping it would). Ultimately, we have tested with WiX 3.5 and the bug appears to be fixed. So, we would like to be able to get the old version of the product uninstalled, leaving the certificate it originally installed behind, and then with the new WiX 3.5-built package reinstall the certificate hoping to workaround this original WiX 3.0 issue. If there is no other way to selectively uninstall, is there a possible way of forcibly causing the uninstall to succeed (understanding that some artifacts might be left behind)? I have all of the details of the original installation package, so if anything can be done I would very much appreciate the help. Thanks
Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs
So I created a new version (major upgrade) of the product. I adjusted RemoveExistingProducts to run after InstallFinalize. This didn't seem to help at all. It still attempts to remove the cert, and I have the same errors. Thanks. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Andy Clugston clug...@gmail.com wrote: I assume when you say take the original installer you mean bump one of the three version digits and generate a new product version installer, i.e. 1.1.0 to 1.1.1, generate new product GUID, etc. Where this all started was trying to get a newer version of the product on the system. If I can make the RemoveExistingProducts changes to it and that actually works, then we should not need to figure out how to uninstall it first. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: Correct. Having thought about it a bit more, this might be a better idea: Take the original installer (or whatever is the current release). Make a major upgrade out of it in the normal way. Schedule RemoveExistingProducts in one of the latter two places mentioned in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa371197%28v=vs.85%29 .aspx Build it with WiX 3.5 That'll create a major upgrade that shouldn't touch the certificate component. Being built with WiX 3.5, removal might then succeed. I'm not sure what the WiX team would say about mixing toolset versions like that but I'd guess there are risks, so you'd have to test thoroughly. You'd have to do the same thing with the second product too since you don't know which one will be removed last and will perform the actual certificate uninstallation. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 17:20 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs Okay, so what you are saying is that I cannot skip individual components during uninstall, correct? I am not sure if these would work or not. We don't have minor installs, we use the third digit, but it is a full install. This product installs the certificate, and another product re-installs the identical certificate. For some reason WiX 3.0 does not like this. I would have to dig up the bug report, but I did run across it. During our tests with WiX 3.5 this issue seems to be resolved. Now, we could get into a conversation about cross product dependencies, etc. but I was not involved with any of those decisions so I am just trying to dig us out of the hole we are in. I am not sure the extra installer is going to help. It appears that anything touching the original certificate on the system causes the original WiX 3.0 MSI to fail. Yes, the install would ensure the cert is on the system, but the uninstall for the original WiX 3.0 MSI package would still fail. Thanks for the help. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Peter Shirtcliffe pshirtcli...@sdl.comwrote: As far as I can think, you can only selectively uninstall entire features without using permanent components. If the conditions are broken, would patching/minor updating them solve your problem ? I'm not sure what the WiX bug is that you're referring to. Otherwise, you could write an extra installer that only includes the component you want to keep, install that, then remove the original one. The extra reference would retain the component on the machine until you took both installers off. -Original Message- From: Andy Clugston [mailto:clug...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 16:15 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: [WiX-users] Conditional Uninstall - Need to workaround WiX Certificate custom action bugs We have a product that installs a few certificates on the system using the IIS extension using WiX 3.0. Evidently, there is an issue with the certificate action(s) in this version of the toolset. We are unable to uninstall/upgrade from this specific version in the field. I would like to know if there is a way during the uninstall (i.e. msiexec /x .) to pass command line parameters/properties to skip the uninstall of specific components, in this case the certificate that is giving us problems. The original authoring has conditions to skip the certificates when installing the product. Passing these properties during the uninstall does not seem to skip them during the uninstall process (like I was hoping it would). Ultimately, we have tested with WiX 3.5 and the bug appears to be fixed. So, we would like to be able to get the old version of the product uninstalled, leaving the certificate it originally installed behind, and then with the new WiX 3.5-built package reinstall the certificate hoping to workaround this original WiX 3.0 issue. If there is no other way to selectively uninstall
